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On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 2:46 AM, poitr pogo wrote:
> i'm just wondering how you non-technical people who hate technical talks
> will force technical-people interested in techn
i'm just wondering how you non-technical people who hate technical talks
will force technical-people interested in technical aspects to use your
non-technical forum an listen to non-technical talks and prevent them from
running their own, closed technical mailing list free from non-technical
talks
On 04/09/2015 01:17 AM, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
>
> The reason the vast majority of projects use separate lists is because it
> *works* [dev] tagged topics don't work very well, because in most cases,
> people tend to forget, or change the subjectline, or whatever.
>
*** I agree that Mailman's top
On 04/09/2015 01:15 AM, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
>> We do not need another list.
>>
>
> That's pretty arrogant. Can you back that up with some actual reasons, like
> others in this discussion are doing? Or is this simply a case of "because I
> said so"
>
It's not arrogant, it's a fact. There's no
On 04/09/2015 01:13 AM, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
>
> Thats just uninformed bullshit.
>
> [snip]
>
> list). Interestingly, I see two broad groups. Those that want a simple dev
> list, and those that absolutely don't want other people to have one, for
> the most tenuous of arguments.
>
*** I see anot
> *** We could use mailman's topics for that. When you want to talk about
> development, use the [dev] tag in the Subject, and if you're not
> interested in anything else, simply subscribe to the [dev] topic and
> ignore the rest.
>
The reason the vast majority of projects use separate lists is b
> We do not need another list.
>
That's pretty arrogant. Can you back that up with some actual reasons, like
others in this discussion are doing? Or is this simply a case of "because I
said so"
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>
> The «long standing, wide-ranging implementation pattern» thing is a
> bogus argument. Similar to "Lots of people jump of bridges, care to
> join them?"
>
Thats just uninformed bullshit. "Patterns" are one of the cornerstones of
modern computing architecture - without patterns everybody will be
> should we just retire the mailing list(s) and start using the forum?
>
...I don't even...
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On Wed, Apr 08, 2015 at 05:47:25PM -0300, hellekin wrote:
> On 04/08/2015 11:57 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > Rather than dividing the list between developers and users,
> > it would be better to divide them betwen technical and nontechnical.
> >
> *** We could use mailman's topics for that. When y
On 04/08/2015 09:49 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> I make the following pledge to make sure I don't cause or continue conflict
> or noise on Dng:
>
> 1) I will not respond, at least on-list, to any thread discussing the
> merits or shames of systemd. I will either ignore, respond offlist, or
> filter a
On 04/08/2015 06:34 PM, Go Linux wrote:
>
> It bears little resemblance to the technical forums to which I have become
> accustomed.
>
*** Thank you. I really hope non-technical people will like it. I hate
technical discussions about computers. They suck, because they're
either dick-wagging con
On 04/08/2015 07:44 PM, Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
>
> We got #debianfork and #devuan IRC channels for pretty much the same reasons,
> and it seems it sort of works there. So for ML that would be the natural
> template to follow.
>
*** Except the move from IRC to email matches in nature the move f
Interesting observations, Go.
I joined today and made a single post. I did like the split screen
feature that shows a preview in real time.
As for the theme, so long as it is logical to navigate I am not too
concerned. Over the years I've used a lot of Vbulletin and PHPbb sites
that have been t
On Wed, 8 Apr 2015 19:16:34 -0400
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Apr 2015 05:44:41 +0800
> Robert Storey wrote:
>
> > Which begs the question: should we just retire the mailing
> > list(s) and start using the forum?
>
> Please dont; with a mailing list one can keep locally the message
On Thu, 9 Apr 2015 05:44:41 +0800
Robert Storey wrote:
> Which begs the question: should we just retire the mailing
> list(s) and start using the forum?
Please dont; with a mailing list one can keep locally the messages that seem
interesting, for later reference.
If you are dead keen on a foru
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 05:22:55PM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote:
> > > > "report every kind of device, since it listens to the kernel's driver
> > core
> > > > (i.e. libudev learns about network interfaces, buses, power supplies,
> > > > etc.--stuff for which there are no device files"
> >
> > Currentl
On Wed 08 April 2015 23:27:21 Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 5:35 AM, Martijn Dekkers
> > This isn't the first call for separate lists, so there clearly is a
> > (strong) desire for this from some people.
>
> Just because some people called for it, doesn't mean they feel
> strongly
Hi,
Just me being picky here.
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 5:35 AM, Martijn Dekkers
wrote:
> The flip side is those that say "don't split the lists" - there again is no
> significant cost to subscribing to both both lists, and follow and
> participate in both lists if they so wish. It isn't so much a
On Wed 08 April 2015 14:34:44 Go Linux wrote:
> I would rate the ambiance of [...]
> I may be completely misreading things but it seems to cater to
> a completely different crowd than the one populating this list.
>
> I can appreciate all the effort that hellekin has put into the forum project
>
On Thu 09 April 2015 05:44:41 Robert Storey wrote:
> Which begs the question: should we just retire the mailing
> list(s) and start using the forum?
Real Programmers dont use Forum
On a less joking comment:
the ML is the medium of choice for serious communication, simply since you
don't need a
Apollia wrote:
> I'm also glad there is a forum: http://talk.devuan.org/
>
> I actually prefer forums over mailing lists in general because forums
> seem to be more organized, which makes it easier for people to avoid
> anything they're uninterested in.
I didn't realize we had a forum. And I agre
This is one of my favorite quotes from dasein over on the debian forums:
"Ubuntu forums try to be like a coffee shop in Seattle. Debian forums strive
for the charm and ambience of a skinhead bar in Bacau."
I would rate the ambiance of the new devuan forum to the left of the Seattle
coffee house
On 04/08/2015 11:57 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> Rather than dividing the list between developers and users,
> it would be better to divide them betwen technical and nontechnical.
>
*** We could use mailman's topics for that. When you want to talk about
development, use the [dev] tag in the Subject,
Rather than dividing the list between developers and users,
it would be better to divide them betwen technical and nontechnical.
Users are in an intimate relationship with developers (they eat the
dogfood, so to speak) and they deserve to remain in communication.
But there are many legitimate to
FYI, I've been working on a Discourse instance for Devuan, so that we
can have the best of both worlds (email and forum). If this happens,
the developers can simply ignore threads they're not interested in and
keep focused on work. The forum form is likely to grow beyond what any
single person ca
Welcome aboard, Jeremy!
The easiest way to help out is to use Devuan regularly, and keep track of
the things about it that bother you. Then, try to figure out how to fix
them, and share your fixes--be they new program configurations, shell
scripts, Python scripts or C programs. If you ever get s
Jude Nelson wrote on 04/07/15 20:04:
>
> suggest that Pottering is evil,
>
>
> Definitely looking forward to this stopping.
Agreed. It accomplishes nothing but heat up the list and add to the static.
RE: Development list:
Since there is way more general chit-chat, how about having the d
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 10:07:13PM -0400, JeremyBekka C wrote:
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>
> I know that I have a lot to learn, especially after reading the technical
> posts here about the development of Devuan, but I am motivated and want to
> learn. There is so much out there to read that I am overwhelmed somet
Hi Jeremy.
Welcome to the wide, wide, world of Linux and in large measure POSIX.
While I am not a distribution packager such as a Debian Developer, I do
help maintain an upstream project that is in Debian so my perspective is
a bit more broad than a single distribution. You wrote that you're
wor
Dear Devuan-Harden team;
Could you get the bastille-linux hardening script working with Devuan Alpha?
It nolonger runs on some linux distributions, this may show that these
distributions have moved far away from traditional unix/linux.
It is a very convenient script to run after installation. It'
I would be on both lists
Sometimes I enjoy the chatter and sometimes I press delete
On Wednesday, April 8, 2015, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 8. April 2015, 08:09:14 schrieb Robert Storey:
> > > Good point. But I thought the reason for the suggestion was because
> > > of
> > >
Reading can get you a bit on the way
but it's better to start hacking.
At least for me I think is where I learn best.
pick some project that interest you and start
there. I think its better to do something that
is important to yourself in the beginning.
On Wednesday, April 8, 2015, JeremyBekka C
Am Mittwoch, 8. April 2015, 08:09:14 schrieb Robert Storey:
> > Good point. But I thought the reason for the suggestion was because
> > of
> > the amount of fairly useless chatter on this list that the devs have
> > to
>
> wade
>
> > through. (Honestly, it annoys me too.) If there is a -dev li
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