> > The «long standing, wide-ranging implementation pattern» thing is a > bogus argument. Similar to "Lots of people jump of bridges, care to > join them?" >
Thats just uninformed bullshit. "Patterns" are one of the cornerstones of modern computing architecture - without patterns everybody will be doomed to re-invent everything from the ground up. Comparing patterns with bridge-jumping is ridiculous, and not a little bit stupid. Separate lists are widely practiced in the open source community at large because they work, not "because everybody else is doing it". This discussion has gone from a simple request for a -dev list to a wide ranging discussion about how we can do something similar without actually going for the cheapest and easiest option (which is to have a separate list). Interestingly, I see two broad groups. Those that want a simple dev list, and those that absolutely don't want other people to have one, for the most tenuous of arguments.
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