On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 01:11:09PM -0800, Go Linux wrote:
> This excellent analysis of the systemd debacle was just posted over on FDN.
> Should be required reading IMO. Enjoy!
>
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652&p=570371
>
I personally think that the essence of that nice
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:27:07PM -0500, william moss wrote:
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> > I have the same problem running Debian Jessie on my laptop. A few
> > months ago all these items became greyed out and inoperative. Pressing
> > the power button, though, instead of just turning off the power,
> > s
I personally think dbus is largely a wheel re-invented--not necessarily due
to incompetence on its developers' parts, mind you, but more due to mission
and scope creep over the past 12 years. If inter-process communication
could be done all over again from scratch, knowing what we use dbus for
the
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On 02/25/2015 11:10 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 09:35:41PM -0600, John Morris wrote:
>>
>> Also just another problem, can't shutdown. Shutdown in a session just
>> logs out and all of the shutdown, reboot, suspend, etc. options
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 09:35:41PM -0600, John Morris wrote:
>
> Also just another problem, can't shutdown. Shutdown in a session just
> logs out and all of the shutdown, reboot, suspend, etc. options are
> greyed out in lightdm. Login as root and 'shutdown -h now' does work at
> least. But the
Not mine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYpnbbONrKw
Clarke
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On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 00:08 -0300, hellekin wrote:
> I'm impressed by all the testing you did. You may want to open some
> issues in the gitlab. That would make a good test suite for the next ISO.
Probably need to go get a Debian jessie cd and see how many of these
problems exist there too. Do
On 02/26/15 00:01, John Morris wrote:
>
> A generic devuan user is present, no idea of the
> password so I set one for both it and root.
>
*** I brute-forced it: my first attempt was 'devuan' and worked ;o)
I'm impressed by all the testing you did. You may want to open some
issues in the gitlab.
Finally got around to seriously poking around with the Valintines Alpha
release. Very alpha.
Tried a default and an expert mode install, neither prompts for a root
password and even if the option to create a user account is picked no
prompts to actually do it appear. So I just did the basic inst
>> That leaves the 2% benefit of cgroups, whose benefit boils down to,
and anyway openrc supports cgroups ;)
( my 2 cents : and should be used in future versions of devuan ;)
>> when all the bullfeathers are removed, reaping zombies. Zombies were an
>> irritation to all of us, but we've lived with
> That leaves the 2% benefit of cgroups, whose benefit boils down to,
> when all the bullfeathers are removed, reaping zombies. Zombies were an
> irritation to all of us, but we've lived with them for 15 years, and
> their removal certainly doesn't justify a software V'ger.
there is a bit more to
On Wed, 2/25/15, Linuxito wrote:
> Subject: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 10:10 AM
>
> Hi people,
>
> As you may know, we have been collecting logo proposals for
> Devuan in the Without Systemd Wiki:
>
> http://without-systemd.org/wiki/i
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:05:44 -0500
Neo Futur wrote:
> > If I had to point the finger at Linux's greatest failing, it is the
> > expectation that users want others to do all of the work compiling
> > and packaging and then they want to complain that that someone else
> > made a choice that they di
>> its a general philosophy of design and openness
> FYI, I'm busy on such a topic for my Ph.D dissertation and will be happy
> to share the results once finished.
and I ll be happy to read and comment ;)
>> > it is more about principles. Let's list some:
>> >
>> > - freedom of choice,
>> > - i
[Sorry Gravis, I could find no shorter way to say this]
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 15:49:34 -0600
"T.J. Duchene" wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-02-25 at 13:11 -0800, Go Linux wrote:
> > This excellent analysis of the systemd debacle was just posted over
> > on FDN. Should be required reading IMO. Enjoy!
> >
>> This excellent analysis of the systemd debacle was just posted over on FDN.
>> Should be required reading IMO. Enjoy!
>>
>> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652&p=570371
> If something replaces init, it is by definition "an init system".
> Whether it does more or less than the
On Wed, 2015-02-25 at 13:11 -0800, Go Linux wrote:
> This excellent analysis of the systemd debacle was just posted over on FDN.
> Should be required reading IMO. Enjoy!
>
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652&p=570371
>
> golinux
>
I must respectfully disagree. I find the a
Hello Emiliano,
I like the Stylized Galaxy logo (the 2 blue boomerangs forming a flipped
S letter). But there is no corresponding "logo with text/font" (on the
next page). It would look strange if the main logo and the "logo with
text/font" do not match.
Kind regards,
Anto
This excellent analysis of the systemd debacle was just posted over on FDN.
Should be required reading IMO. Enjoy!
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652&p=570371
golinux
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 08:24:56 -0500
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 01:55:02AM +, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 07:10:59PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:27:23 -0500
> > > Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 09:57:2
* On 2015 25 Feb 10:03 -0600, Godefridus Daalmans wrote:
> Personally I consider task #2 to do a little discovery and documenting of
> what kinds of "middle-ware" I have on my Linux box and how it all interacts
> (things like: what is akonadi/nepomuk/colord/avahi and do I need all of
> that).
Unle
ConsoleKit2 was already packages by Max, but we don't need it in the Jessie
cycle because the logind dependency was dropped from all packages.
In the future - yes, I think we should invest in ConsoleKit2 and add a logind
compatibility API to it, as most of logind's D-Bus methods have ConsoleKit2
Hi people,
As you may know, we have been collecting logo proposals for Devuan in the
Without Systemd Wiki:
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Logo
Now I have created a new (more graphical) survey, to give a vote to your
favorite logo:
https://surveymonkey.com/s/Q7HV9GZ
Remember
Well, I have an idea for a discussion about "re-architecting" Linux,
however it is very likely that this is just my lack of understanding
speaking:
I am aware that task #1 is providing Devuan Jessie (without systemd),
and that is already enough work.
Personally I consider task #2 to do a lit
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:26:35AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
>
> Of course, what I really want to see is that Devuan is a big success, so
> that I won't need a Plan B (even though it's always a good idea to have
> one).
It's always good to have a plan B. The biggest benefit is often that
if g
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 01:55:02AM +, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 07:10:59PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:27:23 -0500
> > Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 09:57:29AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If you're talking about
On Tue, 2015-02-24 at 22:49 +0100, Oz Tiram wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> I was getting desparate thinking there will be no alternative to
> systemd's logind.
>
> I also saw the consolekit was depreciated for quite a while. Alas! I
> was happy to
>
> find this just now:
>
> https://github.c
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