On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 08:44:22PM +, Luke Leighton wrote:
> Gravis adaptivetime.com> writes:
>
> >
> > > * returning to manual keyboard and mouse configuration in Xorg
> >
> > where did it move to before?
>
> i never removed the manual keyboard and mouse configuration
> options that i
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 03:31:02AM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> >
> > The thing that scares me because I suspect it's just not as well
> > debugged as the software that used to run a car only a few years ago?
> >
> >
> You overestimate the amount of debugging that goes into in-car software. I
>
> What exactly does IPC have to do with patching?
the patching is done via IPC.
--Gravis
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Vlad <2389...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What exactly does IPC have to do with patching?
>
> On Feb 15, 2015 5:22 PM, "Jaromil" wrote:
>>
>>
>> hi
>>
>> On Sun, 15 Feb 2015, jo...@
What exactly does IPC have to do with patching?
On Feb 15, 2015 5:22 PM, "Jaromil" wrote:
>
> hi
>
> On Sun, 15 Feb 2015, jo...@trash-mail.com wrote:
>
> >As you may have read, Linus Torvalds considers to call the next
> >Linux release 4.0 instead of 3.20. Many people have been wondering
>
> The thing that scares me because I suspect it's just not as well
> debugged as the software that used to run a car only a few years ago?
>
>
You overestimate the amount of debugging that goes into in-car software. I
once had an Alfa Romeo with a buggy implementation for it's tiptronic
gearbox.
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:28:38PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
>> > And I've rebuilt
>> > util-linux and removed libsystemd0 already.
>>
>> ohh, you are so lucky! can i add you to the list of successes?
>
> Sure, if you want
> possible From:Luke Leighton
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Date: Today 01:44:25 PM
>
>
> i believe you may be severely underestimating the workload that the
> current debian maintainers handle. there are over 35,000 packages,
> and i believe something like 1,000 maintainers. there
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:28:38PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 05:49:54PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> > wrote:
> >> http://slashdot.org/submission/4203115/removing-libsystemd0-from-a-live-
Dragan FOSS gmx.com> writes:
> >
> > i would be most grateful therefore if you could make it much more
> > convenient for me to be able to do this, whilst still keeping all the
> > debian, TDE and deb-multimedia repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list
> > that i have today, by keeping the devuan p
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 05:49:54PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
>> http://slashdot.org/submission/4203115/removing-libsystemd0-from-a-live-running-debian-system
>>
>> if anyone would like to help get the word out, as a way to ac
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 05:49:54PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> http://slashdot.org/submission/4203115/removing-libsystemd0-from-a-live-running-debian-system
>
> if anyone would like to help get the word out, as a way to actively
> engage more developers and end-users to give them
Thanks Jaromil, Katolaz and the Devuan Team!
This must be the best news for 2015!!
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On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 02:52:12AM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
>
> http://slashdot.org/submission/4203115/removing-libsystemd0-from-a-live-running-debian-system
>
> if anyone would like to help get the word out, as a way to actively
> engage more developers and end-users to give them their right to
> choose what software to run, please do consider hitting the "+
> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:27:55 +
> From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Subject: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0
> from debian and still maintaining a working desktop
> Message-ID:
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Gravis adaptivetime.com> writes:
>
> > * returning to manual keyboard and mouse configuration in Xorg
>
> where did it move to before?
i never removed the manual keyboard and mouse configuration
options that i had installed years back. however as xorg has
grown more features, one of them
karl please refresh and double-check the update for pulseaudio,
i spotted that two mentions of libsystemd dev packages are
still in the pulseaudio debian/control file.
having removed those (locally) and reinstalled the resultant packages,
i've just been able to successfully remove libsystemd0:amd6
> No one pushing this seems to be really concerned with the security, or
> the safety of the user interfaces.
there are a few ways this could change.
- a single senator/congressman has their ride hacked/bricked
- several people die in fiery car wrecks from bad code or a virus
- a self-propagating
> * returning to manual keyboard and mouse configuration in Xorg
where did it move to before? xorg.conf is something that should never go away.
--Gravis
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Luke Leighton wrote:
> aspodata.se> writes:
>
>>
>> Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl.net>:
>> > http://l
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 12:50:53PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote:
> IVI == "In-Vehicle Infotainment." The stuff that runs your new car's UI.
The thing that scares me because I suspect it's just not as well
debugged as the software that used to run a car only a few years ago?
Well, what scares me it
T.J. Duchene gmail.com> writes:
>
> If I might add my opinion to the discussion, I will be very clear in saying
> that even attempting to stay somewhat in sync with Debian is a waste of
> valuable time and effort, and deserves a resounding “No” vote.
haaang on... :)
> the subject of systemd
aspodata.se> writes:
>
> Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl.net>:
> > http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/
>
> I'll try that.
awesome. if you'd like to keep in touch (through this list
if that's ok with the dng team?) i can perhaps advise if you
get stuck. it would be in
Le 15/02/2015 19:36, Nate Bargmann a écrit :
* On 2015 15 Feb 07:33 -0600, Vince Mulhollon wrote:
Meanwhile the devs can't eat their own dogfood because they're not utter
noobs, and nobody wants the featurelist marketing is pushing.
Indeed. I've followed Planet Debian for some time and do rea
* On 2015 15 Feb 07:33 -0600, Vince Mulhollon wrote:
> Meanwhile the devs can't eat their own dogfood because they're not utter
> noobs, and nobody wants the featurelist marketing is pushing.
Indeed. I've followed Planet Debian for some time and do read LWN semi
regularly. It astonished me at fi
IVI == "In-Vehicle Infotainment." The stuff that runs your new car's UI.
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Gravis wrote:
> Jude,
>
> i'm glad at least one of us is following the kdbus conversation.
> advanced authentication is exactly what i wanted added to unix domain
> sockets, so kdbus sound
http://slashdot.org/submission/4203115/removing-libsystemd0-from-a-live-running-debian-system
if anyone would like to help get the word out, as a way to actively
engage more developers and end-users to give them their right to
choose what software to run, please do consider hitting the "+" button
Jude,
i'm glad at least one of us is following the kdbus conversation.
advanced authentication is exactly what i wanted added to unix domain
sockets, so kdbus sounds nice as long as it works as advertised. as a
POSIX enthusiast, i wish they had merely extended unix domain sockets
so that it could
On 02/15/2015 05:40 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 10:26:01AM -0500, Gravis wrote:
>>> Kernel live patching makes KDBUS and systemD support mandatory!
That would make it a circular dependency... and circular dependencies
always kill themselves. :)
Also, it (hopefully) won't depe
I think we're significantly overblowing the impact of kdbus.
I've been following the development of kdbus, and kdbus alone is just
another way to send bytes from one process to others. In a nutshell, it
creates a namespace of special character files that have some interesting
properties. Namely,
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton :
> http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/
I'll try that.
...
> the desktop that i run is *not* a normal one, by any means. i run
> fvwm2 with a 6x4 virtual desktop, which is started up with "startx &"
> - there is no display manager and i do not want
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 10:26:01AM -0500, Gravis wrote:
> > Kernel live patching makes KDBUS and systemD support mandatory!
>
> i'm weary of KDBUS but live patching is something i consider too dangerous.
> --Gravis
But why would it have to depend on systemd?
-- hendrik
_
http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/
if you recall, yesterday i mentioned that i do not take risks with my
business-critical laptop... except by about 5am i had completed most
of the process of doing precisely that.
the desktop that i run is *not* a normal one, by any means. i r
On Sun, 2/15/15, Steve Litt wrote:
Subject: Re: [Dng] Some downgrades may be needed e.g. cups Re: Towards
systemd-free packages
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Sunday, February 15, 2015, 9:20 AM
On Tue, 3 Feb 2015
22:27:04 +0100
Nikolaus Klepp
wrote:
[cut]
Hi Nik,
You paint a tempting
> Kernel live patching makes KDBUS and systemD support mandatory!
i'm weary of KDBUS but live patching is something i consider too dangerous.
--Gravis
On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 9:09 AM, wrote:
> As you may have read, Linus Torvalds considers to call the next Linux
> release 4.0 instead of 3.20.
On Tue, 3 Feb 2015 22:27:04 +0100
Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> Hi Steve!
>
> When you remove all extra stuff from TDE then you end up with a sytem
> thats still superior to XFCE. I'll just hilight the things I like
> most (only the base system, not the extra applications):
> - one cental configuriati
On Sat, 14 Feb 2015, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> I'm wondering what /etc/apt/sources.list looks like; I've tried pointing
> mine at
> deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan jessie main
that is not yet ready, thats why is called pre-alpha : )
you can use debians to install more sw to test
mate is pret
hi
On Sun, 15 Feb 2015, jo...@trash-mail.com wrote:
>As you may have read, Linus Torvalds considers to call the next
>Linux release 4.0 instead of 3.20. Many people have been wondering
>why, but
yea read that back a year ago. makes sense.
>there is one quite radical feature hid
As you may have read, Linus Torvalds considers to call the next Linux release
4.0 instead of 3.20. Many people have been wondering why, but there is one
quite radical feature hidden in the new version.- OverlayFS now supports
multiple read-only layers.- Many Intel DRM graphics driver improvement
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 09:26:45AM -0500, Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com
wrote:
>
> I agree that use of C has lessened, and that less of us understand C
> today. I disagree that this is necessarily the cause of the problem.
> Personally, I think that anything that *can* be written in Python,
>
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:16:42PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> Isn't Bastille a set of scripts to harden Debian security?
> Well, IMMHO, Devuan shouldn't need such a collection if said security
> was default (which should be).
I don't know what Bastille is supposed to do. But its security
pro
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 12:46:18PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> > Talking about something else, it seems that the list is becoming
> > two-fold. On one hand, it becomes concentrated on development, while
> > at the same time it discusses more philosophical issues. Maybe is it
> > the moment to se
On Sun, Feb 08, 2015 at 03:12:25PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> I'd go for:
> 1. http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Negative-Galaxy-v1.5-SVG.svg
> or a spinoff of this, seems sober and not too flashy, i like it
> 2. http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Devuan-D-Inspired-2.sv
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 7:07 AM, Nuno Magalhães
wrote:
> which is required if you want to appeal to new users.
>
That's the problem with the obese DEs. Corporate marketing says all that
matters is the noobs, oh and we need this list of features nobody actually
uses for our marketing campaigns i
On Sun, Feb 08, 2015 at 03:08:34PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Anthony G. Basile
> wrote:
> > eudev is used in gentoo and some other projects, like buildroot and crux.
>
> So i've noticed. what about devuan?
Discussion so far seems to indicate that udev is goi
> Talking about something else, it seems that the list is becoming
> two-fold. On one hand, it becomes concentrated on development, while
> at the same time it discusses more philosophical issues. Maybe is it
> the moment to separate into a dev list and a users list?
Nope. I think both being toget
On Wed, 11 Feb 2015 23:17:36 -0600
"T.J. Duchene" wrote:
> "John clearly states that he believes the problems are distinct from
> systemd. While many here may not necessarily agree, I do agree that
> various aspects of the system have become, if not complex, at least
> more opaque than in the pas
Oddly enough, the Pi2 is camera shy and will blush on flash...
http://www.neowin.net/news/a-camera-flash-will-make-the-raspberry-pi-2-freeze-and-reboot
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On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Jaromil wrote:
> However, I don't think this is a priority now. I still cannot imagine
> why someone would want to be strictly anonymous while accessing that.
You can replace anonymous with systemd, you know?
It's a matter of choice.
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On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 5:33 AM, Martijn Dekkers
wrote:
> Whilst I am still utterly amazed with how awesome Linux servers are, I don't
> think we will ever get there with desktops.
Diversity can be a strength, or a weakness. It's good to have diverse
desktops (i dislike behemoths like GNOME and K
Isn't Bastille a set of scripts to harden Debian security?
Well, IMMHO, Devuan shouldn't need such a collection if said security
was default (which should be).
Cheers,
Nuno
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I'd go for:
1. http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Negative-Galaxy-v1.5-SVG.svg
or a spinoff of this, seems sober and not too flashy, i like it
2. http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Devuan-D-Inspired-2.svg
if the swirl could be improved and, as a suggestion, the other letters
Am Dienstag, 3. Februar 2015 schrieb Steve Litt:
> On Tue, 3 Feb 2015 20:15:50 +0100
> Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
>
> > Am Dienstag, 3. Februar 2015 schrieb Steve Litt:
> > > On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 16:14:10 +0100
> > > Godefridus Daalmans wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Jude Nelson posted an
On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Anthony G. Basile
wrote:
> eudev is used in gentoo and some other projects, like buildroot and crux.
So i've noticed. what about devuan?
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Am Dienstag, 3. Februar 2015 schrieb Steve Litt:
> On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 16:14:10 +0100
> Godefridus Daalmans wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Jude Nelson posted an enormous rdepends list, of what packages would
> > need to be changed for Devuan Jessie,but from my own experimentation
> > I concluded that
Am Dienstag, 3. Februar 2015 schrieb Steve Litt:
> On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 16:14:10 +0100
> Godefridus Daalmans wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Jude Nelson posted an enormous rdepends list, of what packages would
> > need to be changed for Devuan Jessie,but from my own experimentation
> > I concluded that
On Sun, 15 Feb 2015, Alberto Zuin - Liste wrote:
> Hi Jaromil,
> thank you for the gift!
and thank you for the giftlab! <3
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On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 02:52:12AM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> a few simple steps to have Devuan-pre-alpha-valentine installed and
> running on qemu:
>
> 0)# wget
> "http://mirror.debianfork.org/devuan-jessie-i386-xfce-prealpha-valentine.iso";
>
> 1)$ apt-get install qemu-kvm
Well, n
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Hi Jaromil,
thank you for the gift!
Now, I personally hope that this can put an end to every flame about
"the fake project" and "you ask for money for nothing".
Have a nice weekend,
Alberto
Il 14/02/2015 9:36 pm, Jaromil ha scritto:
>
> re all,
>
>
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