On 8 Jul 2011 01:51, "Kenneth Gonsalves" wrote:
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> On Thu, 2011-07-07 at 10:46 -0400, Shawn Milochik wrote:
> > > mentioned. With a threaded mail client, I use Mutt, they're much
> > > easier to keep up with than anything web based.
> > >
> >
> > +1
> >
> > I prefer this mailing list to anything
On Thu, 2011-07-07 at 10:46 -0400, Shawn Milochik wrote:
> > mentioned. With a threaded mail client, I use Mutt, they're much
> > easier to keep up with than anything web based.
> >
>
> +1
>
> I prefer this mailing list to anything else. It's far superior to IRC
> and a forum site (such as Stack
To be honest, there is no reason why someone cant make something which they
believe will be useful, and use the django-users archive as db filler. If it
doesnt catch on in the community, at least you'd learn a bunch of new stuff
and get the opportunity to try out new things outside of a typical
pro
To be honest, there is no reason why someone cant make something which they
believe will be useful, and use the django-users archive as db filler. If it
doesnt catch on in the community, at least you'd learn a bunch of new stuff
and get the opportunity to try out new things outside of a typical
pro
I personally have a dedicated gMail account for lists, which forwards
everything to my main gMail account, and then all list e-mails get
filtered into a "lists" label/folder.
Here's some (random) thoughts from a (self proclaimed) listserv
veteran and Django/Python noob:
1.
Am I the only one th
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Andre Terra wrote:
> So basically, if SO emailed you new questions tagged as 'django' and
> your replies were posted as answers, you would be okay?
>
Guys,
SO, mailing lists, IRC etc are different channels for communication; and no
ONE channel alone can be usefu
On 07/07/2011 11:21 AM, Kevin Monceaux wrote:
On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 10:46:47AM -0400, Shawn Milochik wrote:
If I even filter a mailing list so it doesn't go into my inbox I end
up falling behind and deleting all the messages unread. The only way I
actively participate in this list is because
On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 10:46:47AM -0400, Shawn Milochik wrote:
> If I even filter a mailing list so it doesn't go into my inbox I end
> up falling behind and deleting all the messages unread. The only way I
> actively participate in this list is because it hits my inbox.
I'm on too many mailing
On 07/07/2011 11:12 AM, Andre Terra wrote:
So basically, if SO emailed you new questions tagged as 'django' and
your replies were posted as answers, you would be okay?
Cheers,
André
I think my answer to that is 'yes.' It might be even better that way,
because of the ability to vote questions
So basically, if SO emailed you new questions tagged as 'django' and
your replies were posted as answers, you would be okay?
Cheers,
André
On 7/7/11, Shawn Milochik wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Kevin Monceaux
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 08:38:42PM -0300, Andre Terra wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Kevin Monceaux wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 08:38:42PM -0300, Andre Terra wrote:
>
>> If we could move the questions to a specific site, everyone would
>> benefit.
>
> Not everyone. I much prefer mailing lists to any of the other options
> mentioned. With a t
On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 08:38:42PM -0300, Andre Terra wrote:
> If we could move the questions to a specific site, everyone would
> benefit.
Not everyone. I much prefer mailing lists to any of the other options
mentioned. With a threaded mail client, I use Mutt, they're much
easier to keep up wi
Stack Overflow: http://stackoverflow.com
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-07-07 at 00:10 +0100, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
> wrote:
> > I'm going to ask a really stupid question...
> >
> > What's "SO"?
>
> I was just going to ask that.
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On Thu, 2011-07-07 at 00:10 +0100, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
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> I'm going to ask a really stupid question...
>
> What's "SO"?
I was just going to ask that.
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On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 19:55 -0300, Andre Terra wrote:
> IRC is too outdated
actually it is highly effective - cannot count the number of deadlines I
would have missed but for IRC.
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On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Venkatraman S wrote:
> I would recommend having a repository of django articles which can be
> searched upon easily with good features added to it (for eg facets etc) -
> ideally if this is hosted at djangoproject - then it would be ideal.
>
And IRC has a bot whic
On 2011-07-06, at 3:55 PM, Andre Terra wrote:
> This is precisely the problem, imo. IRC is too outdated, and the folks
IRC may be outdated yet it persists as a completely awesome chat tool used by
tons of developers every day. No disrespect to Convore or Stack Overflow, but
one day when they ar
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 6:17 AM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] <
cal.leem...@simplicitymedialtd.co.uk> wrote:
> Tbh, it would be easy enough to create a web front end, similar to SO,
> which uses django-users archive as a backend. Sure it'd be read only to
> begin with.. and im not sure how yo
Tbh, it would be easy enough to create a web front end, similar to SO, which
uses django-users archive as a backend. Sure it'd be read only to begin
with.. and im not sure how you'd handle quoted / inline messages.. but food
for thought at least.
On 7 Jul 2011 00:38, "Andre Terra" wrote:
> I'm wil
I'm willing to bet 80% of the emails are newbie questions, and the
remaining 20% are group communication and collaboration, specially
considering how the more experienced developers are pretty much only
on convore.com these days.
If we could move the questions to a specific site, everyone would
be
Ahh, makes sense.
Stack Overflow specifically for Django would be kick ass.
If the core web team aren't happy about hosting one, there is no
reason why the community can't fork one off, and have it endorsed on
the wiki and in the mailing list replies??
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Petite Ab
On Jul 7, 2011, at 1:10 AM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] wrote:
> I'm going to ask a really stupid question...
>
> What's "SO"?
WIld guess... stack overflow?
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I'm going to ask a really stupid question...
What's "SO"?
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Andre Terra wrote:
> Don't forget SO!
>
> This is precisely the problem, imo. IRC is too outdated, and the folks
> who built convore seem to agree there is room for improvement. And the
> number of emails
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Andre Terra wrote:
> Maybe it's just a matter of endorsing SO more adamantly. When compared
> to the other solution, none is as flexible and complete.
newbie questions is one thing, collaboration is another, group
communications is another one.
for the first one,
Don't forget SO!
This is precisely the problem, imo. IRC is too outdated, and the folks
who built convore seem to agree there is room for improvement. And the
number of emails on this list is unmanageable without a specialized
tool, not to mention the fact that we answer the same questions
repeate
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:35 PM, Andre Terra wrote:
> It happens to the best of us...
>
> I still believe we could offer a better solution than a simple mailing list,
> specially considering the possibility of moderating messages and closing
> open questions.
Any suggestions?? We already have mai
It happens to the best of us...
I still believe we could offer a better solution than a simple mailing list,
specially considering the possibility of moderating messages and closing
open questions.
Cheers,
André
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] <
cal.leem...@si
So, I think I may have to add one of my own threads into the "bad
threads" example:
http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers/browse_thread/thread/3173871a08585c54?hl=en
:(
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd]
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> @gamesbook / @Shawn
> Looks good!
> +
+1 on Piotr's post.
Although I do see the benefits of Andres's ideas, I do agree that some
things really should be kept separate.
Cal
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Piotr Zalewa wrote:
> Everything has its place. For me it looks like that:
>
> direct help - IRC
> searching for solutions - tut
Everything has its place. For me it looks like that:
direct help - IRC
searching for solutions - tutorials, documentation, django snippets
discovering new stuff - email list, StackOverflow
zalun
On 07/02/11 01:11, Andre Terra wrote:
To be honest, I often think about how an e-mail list is actua
If your mail reader reformats text, IMHO it's broken. At a minimum,
it ought to give you the option of seeing a message without
"helpfully" reformatting it.
I see little harm in asking (politely) that people go through the
significant hassle of posting code in two places (one of which may be
inac
To be honest, I often think about how an e-mail list is actually one of the
worst media to help with coding.
Here's some food for thought: wouldn't it be better if we had a django-help
project that combined django snippets, a stack overflow-like ratings system
(an incentive to both good questions
Also, I modified the wiki entry to include one good/one bad example of a
thread.
Could others people also contribute some examples of what they consider
good/bad threads too? (maybe could even put some text underneath to explain
why)
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media
+1 on gists (i didn't even know this existed).
Because to be honest, if github disappears, then something has gone terribly
wrong with the interwebs :X
But also +1 on django web team deploying their own...
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Micky Hulse wrote:
> Don't forget about GitHub Gists!
>
Don't forget about GitHub Gists!
https://gist.github.com/
Considering a lot of Django projects are already hosted there... Seems
like a natural fit to me. :)
Also, Gist has the "fork" feature.
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Or, how about the django website team create their own pastebin for django
mailing lists :) They could even just use a stock pastebin install. Any
thoughts?
On 1 Jul 2011 13:23, "Herman Schistad" wrote:
> Yeah, I forgot that dpaste deleted after 7 days, but pastebin is a
> good proposal Brian.
>
>
Yeah, I forgot that dpaste deleted after 7 days, but pastebin is a
good proposal Brian.
We could also recommend people to paste the code in both pastebin and
email, as the probability of someone taking the time to read through
the code then becomes higher (I know I would much rather click on a
pas
Just because dpaste breaks integrity of django-users doesn't mean that
e-mail is the "right" forum. E-mail doesn't preserve code formatting or
syntax highlighting which is legitimately annoying. Also lots of coders
still use text based e-mail (I don't but others do) so html syntaxing won't
always
On Friday, July 1, 2011, Herman Schistad wrote:
> What about including something about e.g. http://dpaste.com for snippets etc.
> I know I hate to read more than 10 lines of code in my email reader,
> without syntax highlighting or correct indentation.
Actually, there is a really good reason not
What about including something about e.g. http://dpaste.com for snippets etc.
I know I hate to read more than 10 lines of code in my email reader,
without syntax highlighting or correct indentation.
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@gamesbook / @Shawn
Looks good!
+1 on the proof reading, so many times I've been trigger happy on
the send button, then found the fix 5 minutes later.
On 30/06/2011 21:40, Shawn Milochik wrote:
On
06/30/2011 04:33 PM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] wro
On 06/30/2011 04:33 PM, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] wrote:
Spawned a new thread for this, as the old one was getting rather off
topic.
KG had created a new wiki page to start putting some ideas into, of
which people have been contributing to:
https://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/UsingTh
Spawned a new thread for this, as the old one was getting rather off
topic.
KG had created a new wiki page to start putting some ideas into, of
which people have been contributing to:
https://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/UsingTheMailingList
One thing I added in
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