Re: Welcome to diversity@apache.org!

2019-04-02 Thread Joan Touzet
Ahoy hoy! Glad to be here. On 2019/04/02 17:10:45, Daniel Gruno wrote: > Hi hi folks! -Joan "time for another mail filter rule" Touzet - To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: ApacheCon North America

2019-04-05 Thread Joan Touzet
Hi Patricia, > Are there likely to be enough attendees who are on this mailing list > to > hold some sort of get together at ApacheCon North America? It is in > Las > Vegas, September 9-12, 2019. As a new board member, I expect I'll be in attendance. -Joan "wee, more travel" Touzet

Re: ApacheCon North America

2019-04-08 Thread Joan Touzet
"Patricia Shanahan" wrote: > On 4/7/2019 10:40 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 22:40 Gris Cuevas wrote: > >> @Rich - would it be worth creating a D&I track and announce it > >> broadly? My > >> rationale is that by creating a formal talk we could incentivize > >> folks to > >> crea

Re: Revamping the ASF Committer Diversity Survey

2019-04-13 Thread Joan Touzet
On 2019-04-13 2:37 a.m., Dinesh Joshi wrote: Rich, Myrle – both of you made great points. I especially think non-code contributions are critical and generally go unrecognized. They are equally as important. Regarding gathering data about individuals being nominated, perhaps sending a survey to t

Re: Areas where we want to measure diversity, equity & inclusion

2019-04-15 Thread Joan Touzet
On 2019-04-14 3:03 p.m., dinesh.jo...@yahoo.com.INVALID wrote: I would like to suggest another approach at measuring the funnel. I don't know whether this is feasible either but its just an idea that I'd love some feedback on. Most Apache projects seem to be using Jira. Contributors, Committ

Re: D&I Strategy Design Document, please collaborate

2019-05-09 Thread Joan Touzet
Gris, point of order, Do you mean you want to migrate it to GH before you finish receiving comments, etc.? Or is the conversion process to occur after 11PM PT tomorrow? -Joan On 2019-05-09 15:18, Gris Cuevas wrote: > Hi folks - anyone interested in helping me migrate the design doc to GitHub? >

Re: Diversity in a diverse world

2019-05-09 Thread Joan Touzet
On 2019-05-09 15:27, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > I'm not assuming at all that a hijab signifies sexism Point of clarification: the women you described were wearing *burkas*, not hijabs or niqabs. https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/24118241 I'll comment more thoroughly on this thread later. -Joa

Re: FOSS efforts in measuring diversity & inclusion

2019-05-09 Thread Joan Touzet
.com/wohali/building-and-sustaining-inclusive-communities https://feathercast.apache.org/2018/09/29/building-and-sustaining-inclusive-communities-joan-touzet/ https://wohali.dreamwidth.org/55736.html The flipside to the Outreachy story is that the Linux kernel community could be, well, more welcomin

Re: Apache people, Native Americans

2019-05-13 Thread Joan Touzet
It depends which sub-group you are talking about, and whether you are referring to current or former relationships. The Jicarilla Apache in New Mexico actively refer to themselves as a Nation, as do the Yavapai-Apache Nation, the San Carlos Apache Nation and the Fort McDowell Yavapai Nation. Many

Re: FAQ and education mailing list

2019-05-13 Thread Joan Touzet
Couple of thoughts - sorry for being brief, and really not trying to bikeshed here: * We need someone to shepherd this, thank you Patricia for volunteering! Generally my opinion is that the work of building the content should fall to those who have learned, not the explainers, who are the one

Re: FAQ and education mailing list

2019-05-13 Thread Joan Touzet
On 2019-05-13 16:37, Griselda Cuevas wrote: > Teaching by preaching is what will earn us respect, credibility and > authority to speak of this topic. Gris, can I ask what you mean by "preaching" in this context? For me this has a very negative connotation and feels out of place in a secular organ

Re: [FAQ] Proto-FAQ question 1

2019-05-13 Thread Joan Touzet
I think the point was not that the FAQ needed those things, but the ASF at large :D and that the different way of phrasing it was intended to draw attention to all of those things. -Joan On 2019-05-13 6:45 p.m., Patricia Shanahan wrote: I would love truly elegant documentation. However, I am n

Re: [FAQ] Proto-FAQ question 1

2019-05-14 Thread Joan Touzet
This is something that's been on my mind a lot recently. We can't come up with a way to support non-English official communication channels for the Foundation as Bertrand mentions, but if we don't allow non-official channels in other languages, as the saying goes, "the Internet will route arou

Re: FAQ and education mailing list

2019-05-14 Thread Joan Touzet
On 2019-05-14 12:17 p.m., Patricia Shanahan wrote: On 5/14/2019 8:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 5:05 PM Griselda Cuevas wrote: ...The word does not have a negative connotation to me since I translated it from Spanish Thanks Gris! Indeed in English, "preaching

Re: Multi-lingual project communication & recommendations (was: [FAQ] Proto-FAQ question 1)

2019-05-14 Thread Joan Touzet
ts to use Google Translate to get a sense of the conversations in other languages. I will be super happy if my project's users@ lists are a mix of languages. My 2 cents, -Alex On 5/14/19, 9:19 AM, "Joan Touzet" wrote: This is something that's been on my mind a

Re: Multi-lingual project communication & recommendations

2019-05-14 Thread Joan Touzet
FYI, I misspoke here: On 2019-05-14 4:08 p.m., Joan Touzet wrote: Since this goes past what we want to do for just ourselves, I've renamed the thread. I just want to remind everyone in this discussion that the D&I group (in whatever official form it takes) can't set policy for

Re: Diversity Information from iCLA?

2019-05-15 Thread Joan Touzet
Awasum, On 2019-05-15 9:42 a.m., Awasum Yannick wrote: If we really wanted to know the country/country/geographical distribution of our committers, the most reliable way to do it is to look at the iCLA files without displaying names of committers, just the countries and we will know for sure ho

Re: Diversity Information from iCLA?

2019-05-16 Thread Joan Touzet
I have a proposal that I'm going to run by the Board during our remaining face-to-face session today that may help with this. Please Stand By. :) -Joan On 2019-05-16 10:43 a.m., Ross Gardler wrote: Seems to me like we have plenty of people who feel this is a good idea, but not one we feel is

Re: Recommendations for inclusive events

2019-05-21 Thread Joan Touzet
My presentation at ApacheCon 2018[1] includes a slide on just some of the things that JSConf EU 2018 did to ensure accessibility and inclusivity. Note especially the link to the Global Diversity CFP Day event[2] which I think is gangbusters, and we should consider hosting one of those at ApacheCon.

Re: FAQ and education mailing list

2019-05-21 Thread Joan Touzet
ock it if you want to put a warning on the wiki page - consider this a -0 on a warning? :) -Joan "what was life like before ASF-style numerical voting?" Touzet On 2019-05-18 13:02, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > > > On 2019/05/13 16:43:11, Joan Touzet wrote: > ... >> * S

Re: [DISCUSS] committee resources

2019-05-21 Thread Joan Touzet
+1 with Kenn's discuss@diversity. We are not developers, and I worry that dev@diversity.a.o will make us seem too much like a software development project. -Joan "already too much software dev in my life" Touzet On 2019-05-20 0:56, Kenneth Knowles wrote: > On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 3:31 PM Griselda

Re: FAQ and education mailing list

2019-05-21 Thread Joan Touzet
ible. > > On 5/21/2019 10:27 AM, Joan Touzet wrote: >> I'll admit I mostly link it because of this topic: >> >>    https://communitymgt.fandom.com/wiki/Cookie_Licking >> >> which is a real thing that kills communities quickly. Though, their >> othe

Re: FAQ and paywall articles

2019-05-22 Thread Joan Touzet
On 2019-05-22 10:37, Naomi Slater wrote: > On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 16:19, Justin Mclean > wrote: > > People often in email list use terms, while possible known, often have a >> very different meanings outside of the US. A large number of US corporate, >> sporting or gambling idioms, would be lost

Re: FAQ and paywall articles

2019-05-22 Thread Joan Touzet
On 2019-05-22 13:15, Patricia Shanahan wrote:> Do keep the ideas coming, especially if you know something that works > for social science but not computer science. I have done a lot of > academic literature searches but only in computer science. One option can be to look for conference talks given

Re: D&I 2020 budget Request

2019-05-23 Thread Joan Touzet
On 2019-05-23 8:19, Awasum Yannick wrote:> 3.) Money to sponsor an Apache Con in Africa(even a road show) or some > other under represented location. Has there been an Apache Con in Asia or > developing parts of the world? > I mostly hear about North America and Europe. With my ASF Director hat on

Re: D&I 2020 budget Request

2019-05-23 Thread Joan Touzet
+1 to both of these, with the addition that we consider a consultancy that could support us in authoring a statistically and sociologically valid survey as well. This is critically important as a foundational step, let's get some experts in here. (Entire PhDs get written on survey methodology.) -J

Re: [PROPOSAL] send automated emails to dev@diversity

2019-05-29 Thread Joan Touzet
Also +1 for Git, and if it's like the project in which we're involved, an asf-site branch can def. be used to autopublish a website. -Joan On 2019-05-29 8:43, Myrle Krantz wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 1:46 PM Naomi Slater wrote: > >> Git imo. so we can work on GitHub (assuming this is in fa

Re: GSuite Team Drive

2019-05-29 Thread Joan Touzet
Oh HI Mark, I should have an apache.org gsuite account. Can you add me access? Thanks. -Joan On 2019-05-29 6:18, Mark Thomas wrote: > On 29/05/2019 11:11, Naomi Slater wrote: >> I'd like access, please. what info do you need? > > I'll get you set up. Expect a few emails from Google as I create

Re: Fwd: [PROPOSAL] send automated emails to dev@diversity

2019-05-29 Thread Joan Touzet
Hi Trevor, On 2019-05-29 6:55 p.m., Trevor Grant wrote: If the repo is only website code, then you can do it with git pages. ASF Infra has special code that extends beyond the functionality of GitHub Pages. We'll work with them to have the site published. I was referring to this code when I

Re: Results of the 2016 diversity survey at Apache

2019-06-18 Thread Joan Touzet
On 2019-06-18 3:03 p.m., Daniel Shahaf wrote: Myrle Krantz wrote on Tue, 18 Jun 2019 16:30 +00:00: The survey provides an incomplete picture and the data is imperfect. In addition, we need to find ways to think about diversity that do justice to the international nature of our foundation and our