Re: [lopsa-discuss] The future of LOPSA

2015-06-26 Thread rackow
I agree with the idea of metrics, How to make the top 4 meaningful will be tough. You want high goals, yet something possible to accomplish. I think the more important issue is what is in the "etc" 5+ goals. These are the goals that would make achieving the top 4 simple. The board should be sett

Re: [lopsa-discuss] What’s the oldest third-party software your company uses? Why is it still in use?

2015-03-23 Thread rackow
Esther Schindler made the following keystrokes: >Why hadn't they upgraded or changed, in all that time? > >"If it works don't fix it" makes sense for a while. But then you slide >down the other side of the adoption curve -- especially when it's part >of your infrastructure or the company rea

Re: [lopsa-discuss] What’s the oldest third-party software your company uses? Why is it still in use?

2015-03-23 Thread rackow
Tom Perrine made the following keystrokes: > The oldest protocol we're running anywhere is IPv4. > (It had to be said! :-) ) Oh if only that were true... If you take a look at various "official" reports, you'll see that there are plenty of things that are still using old Teletype codex. Ever se

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Membership vs. Sponsorship

2015-02-08 Thread rackow
Most professional organizations tend to be recognized by the majority of the people in the profession and in some cases to many outside the profession. They may not be members, but they know the name. If you ask most SysAdmins for their professional organization, they won't know of one. If you m

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Security Pentesters

2014-06-09 Thread rackow
For the most part, I agree with Matt. Most of what's below should be intuitively obvious to the most casual observer, but.. Using your cheat-sheet idea, lots of classes have "open book" tests. While you don't want this info in the hands of an attacker, it really shouldn't matter that much if it g

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Professionalization BoF at LISA'13

2013-11-10 Thread rackow
Derek Balling made the following keystrokes: >In New York, you can't run an auto-repair shop without a license. Just >FYI. > Be careful when looking at Professional, Certified, and Licenced. They mean very different things, and in some cases are used just to make them seem legit. In looking a

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Professionalization BoF at LISA'13

2013-11-10 Thread rackow
There was a comment that we need to do this before someone else does it for/to us. Who is this someone else? Why would they do this? Are ther goals/motifs in line with LOPSA or where do they differ? How far along in this path may they be? IF they exist, why are we not working with them to c

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Dan Geer on the state of Professionalization in Cybersecurity

2013-10-27 Thread rackow
b developers, App developers, db, . /~\ The ASCII Gene Rackow email: rac...@anl.gov \ / Ribbon Campaign Cyber Security Office voice: 630-252-7126 X Against HTML Argonne National Lab / \ Email!9700 S. Cass Ave. / Argonne, IL 60439 ___

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Dan Geer on the state of Professionalization in Cybersecurity

2013-10-26 Thread rackow
One major flaw in your example is that as a system administrator, it's not your job to dig through every line of the web application to see if it is following best practices. Going back to the medical profession stuff that was used earlier, it's not just the Doctors that are considered professio

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Just wondering what folks think of Schneier latest

2013-09-06 Thread rackow
Classic TV is on in the background. Old shows and movies.. so reference frame of mind. I'm not sure how serious he really is about this story. It makes for popular press and sells advertising. Playing in the background is "To Dream the Impossible Dream". It helped sell tickets. While people a

[lopsa-discuss] LOPSA Statement (the portion being ignored)

2013-06-12 Thread rackow
Changing the focus on the Snowden topci to what should be the more disturbing piece concerning LOPSA directly. Using some of the same extremist views and wording to prove the point. So donning the flame suite that has been in storage since the days of usenet... In my opinion, the LOPSA Statem

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Fwd: [TUHS] unix horror stories

2012-10-24 Thread rackow
Bryan Ramirez made the following keystrokes: >I'm not even old and now I feel old. > Oh for the days of not feeling old... When it comes to accidental disasters, imagine a mainframe console complex. A couple of periscope tubes, a couple of paper terminals all sitting on something similar to b

Re: [lopsa-discuss] online forum?

2012-09-10 Thread rackow
etworks" are very closely tied to "social diseases" in that the more you get involved the more likely you are going to pick up an infection. I can use all the tools, but when it comes to preferences Prime-Crumudgeon --Gene /~\ The ASCII Gene Rackow email: rac

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Maybe I don't get it -Harassment policy

2012-05-25 Thread rackow
Cat Okita made the following keystrokes: >On Fri, 25 May 2012, rac...@anl.gov wrote: >> 1. Cool, this is someplace that is prepared, safe, or >> 2. I wonder what happened that they needed to spend how much time to come >> up with this? >> I'd fall into group 2. How bad were things that

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Establish a definitive LOPSA Harassment and Discrimination Policy

2012-05-25 Thread rackow
I agree with most of what you bring up. LOPSA may have the expectation they can remove someone from the location, but any attempt to do so without involving law enforcement is going to cause some serious issues. If someone other than a police officer attempted to remove me from somewhere, there w

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Maybe I don't get it -Harassment policy

2012-05-25 Thread rackow
I'll take the "I don't get it" one step further. I kind of wonder what sort of signals this puts forth. In most cases places have policy because something happened, or they are just building a huge book of policies because they have some lawyer on retainer with nothing better to do. If someone w

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Project Sputnik: Dell XPS 13 ultrabook with Ubuntu Linux ..

2012-05-16 Thread rackow
Tracy Reed made the following keystrokes: >Overall this is great news. But we've been down this hopeful road with Dell >at least a couple of times before. I agree we've been down this road. It scares me when they do it. IF they are pushing the sources for their devices up so that they can con

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Sys Admin Day activities

2012-04-04 Thread rackow
Group discounts make sense. Many .edu sites have computer clubs. Offering them a discount on group membership may get people to sign up. This could attract people that have time to put into the cause as well. It looks good on a resume if you've worked, even donated time, on something other tha

Re: [lopsa-discuss] The ethics of enabling big data

2012-02-16 Thread rackow
story and targetted marketing they could get some percentage of added sales by pointing out related merchandise they wanted to move. They wanted to give you that feeling of having your one personal shopper. That they knew you and your tastes. With enough orders they propbably did. --Gene

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Should a sysadmin be a dog or a cat?

2012-01-16 Thread rackow
Neither. It's much more like the mice from Douglas Adams. Nobody really notices when things are going as good. Mice stay out of the way, hidden in the background. Nobody knows what they really do or why. When things break, you can be sure who will get (some of) the blame. Like the mice some

Re: [lopsa-discuss] How long do you think until System Administration becomes regulated?

2011-11-16 Thread rackow
da...@lang.hm made the following keystrokes: >Another Major reason for being opposed to regulation is that the >definition of the 'right way' to do something varies too much, and it >morphs over time. Licenseing tests change too slowly for a field in as >much flux and with so many 'good' ways t

Re: [lopsa-discuss] New LOPSA list for security discussion

2011-05-26 Thread rackow
Brent Chapman made the following keystrokes: >Gene raises valid considerations, but I think they miss the point in this >particular circumstance. > >If you don't want to use SSL, don't publish https://... URLs. If you >publish https://... URLs, make sure your certs are correct (i.e., that the

Re: [lopsa-discuss] New LOPSA list for security discussion

2011-05-26 Thread rackow
an infected machines. Again, speaking for myself, not my job. /~\ The ASCII Gene Rackow email: rac...@anl.gov \ / Ribbon Campaign Cyber Security Office voice: 630-252-7126 X Against HTML Argonne National Lab / \ Email!9700 S. Cass Ave. / Argon

Re: [lopsa-discuss] "Stupid SysAdmin tricks for $500, Alex"

2011-05-16 Thread rackow
Paul Graydon made the following keystrokes: >All staff are required by the policy to lock their workstations anyway >when they leave their desk. I suspect I'm the only one who actually >does so. That comes from a habit born out of my first sysadmin job >where anyone failing to lock their w

Re: [lopsa-discuss] "Stupid SysAdmin tricks for $500, Alex"

2011-05-14 Thread rackow
One of the big oops moments many years ago was more a lack of knowledge than an oops at the keyboard. I had an AIX file server with 4 disk contollers in it. A couple of disks on each controller. The typical / /usr ... stuff was on disk 0 controller 0 along with some basic swap space. disk 0 on

Re: [lopsa-discuss] 30% Apple

2011-02-17 Thread rackow
John Broome made the following keystrokes: >But I'm not sure what the big deal is. Apple is providing an entire >distribution channel, a deployment and upgrade methodology, etc., etc., why >*shouldn't* they get a chunk of change for providing that, so that software >developers don't have to rei

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Why Do Linux Admins Seem To Be So Much More Involved in the Community?

2011-01-27 Thread rackow
ine what didn't work right when you pushed the button and magic didn't complete. Smoke but no rabbit coming out of the hat. /~\ The ASCII Gene Rackow email: rac...@anl.gov \ / Ribbon Campaign Cyber Security Office voice: 630-252-7126 X Against HTML Argonne

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Embracing the LOPSA name

2011-01-11 Thread rackow
All this talk of auto plates reminds me of a friend's orignal VW Beatle with the Illinois vanity plate of "FEATURE". ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.lopsa.org https://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss This list provided by the League

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Awakening the activist wing of LOPSA?

2011-01-07 Thread rackow
r posting in this thread, it was suggested that LOPSA needs to find things that are not being done by these other organizations to make it's mark. Kind of like the toy dog finding it's nitch to be useful. In the dog case, the nitch was to call in the big dogs as needed. LOPSA really does

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Awakening the activist wing of LOPSA?

2011-01-04 Thread rackow
I haven't gone searching the archives on this, but I don't recall ever seeing anything on the list about contacting your legislatigve people on concerns with any piece of legislation that may impact our profession BEFORE they go about voting on it. It may be good/bad or even somewhere in the middl

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Okay, I just graduated to really annoyed

2010-10-29 Thread rackow
Matt Lawrence made the following keystrokes: >I hope everyone has stocked up on 7404s for the weekend! What, and upgrade my 6AB4's and 12AX7's? --Gene ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.lopsa.org http://lists.lopsa.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/disc

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Survey - UNIX/Linux certifications

2010-10-27 Thread rackow
Ross West made the following keystrokes: >Hmmm, now were did that flame suit go... > No need for a flame suit. I think you make a very good point. Some time ago I was helping someone get through a required gen-ed algebra class. She had no problem with doing the actual math, but couldn't remem

Re: [lopsa-discuss] Non-Visio Diagramming Tools

2010-10-15 Thread rackow
Kind of like BC and "Clams got legs". It takes a huge amount of effort to evolve beyond the status quo. If you've got something nobody else has got, you are better off than you were or they are. Tom Limoncelli made the following keystrokes: > > >At a very shop I drew our network diagram on