> From: discuss-boun...@lists.lopsa.org [mailto:discuss-
> boun...@lists.lopsa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Towns-von Stauber
>
> BTW, I completely missed this despite knowing about the Comcast deal, but
> Netflix already signed a deal with Verizon back in April:
The term "Netflix" in this context isn'
> From: Dan Ritter [mailto:d...@randomstring.org]
>
> I spent a year or two working for Akamai convincing ISP operators to
> put some of Akamai's hardware in particular locations to improve their
> customers' performance, generally with no money changing hands.
Thanks for that. :-) I am rather
On Jul 27, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Leon Towns-von Stauber wrote:
> In the end, Netflix will pay, one way or another. Companies do this kind of
> thing every day, and have for a long time.
BTW, I completely missed this despite knowing about the Comcast deal, but
Netflix already signed a deal with Veri
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 04:20:42PM -0400, Derek Balling wrote:
>
> On Jul 30, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (lopser)
> wrote:
> > That is correct, but both Comcast and Verizon refuse to accept the box.
> > They don't want L3 to pay for network upgrades. They don't want Netflix to
> > p
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 03:21:06PM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Mark Bergman wrote:
> >
> > Hmmm... I wonder about re-architecting Netflix so that each customer caches
> > their downloaded content and serves it P2P within the same ISP
> > network...now that cont
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014, Charles Polisher wrote:
David Lang wrote:
Paul Graydon wrote:
The thing is that there is no such thing as a one-direction fiber,
and even the interfaces speeds are symmetrical once you get outside
of the last-mile.
So it doesn't cost Verizon/Layer3/Netflix any more or less
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014, Edward Ned Harvey (lopser) wrote:
From: discuss-boun...@lists.lopsa.org [mailto:discuss-
boun...@lists.lopsa.org] On Behalf Of David Lang
they are, and from what I've heard they will provide the hardware to run
their
CDN at no cost to any ISP that will run it on their netwo
On Jul 30, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (lopser)
wrote:
> That is correct, but both Comcast and Verizon refuse to accept the box. They
> don't want L3 to pay for network upgrades. They don't want Netflix to
> provide a box to eliminate the need for network upgrades. Whenever they
>
> From: discuss-boun...@lists.lopsa.org [mailto:discuss-
> boun...@lists.lopsa.org] On Behalf Of David Lang
>
> they are, and from what I've heard they will provide the hardware to run
> their
> CDN at no cost to any ISP that will run it on their network.
That is correct, but both Comcast and Ver
David Lang wrote:
> Paul Graydon wrote:
> The thing is that there is no such thing as a one-direction fiber,
> and even the interfaces speeds are symmetrical once you get outside
> of the last-mile.
>
> So it doesn't cost Verizon/Layer3/Netflix any more or less to have
> the connections fully util
they are, and from what I've heard they will provide the hardware to run their
CDN at no cost to any ISP that will run it on their network.
David Lang
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014, Graham Dunn wrote:
I find it hard to believe that Netflix isn't already using some sort of CDN.
https://www.netflix.com/
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Mark Bergman wrote:
>
> Hmmm... I wonder about re-architecting Netflix so that each customer caches
> their downloaded content and serves it P2P within the same ISP network...now
> that content from Netflix doesn't cross any peering point
Netflix has to work wi
On Jul 29, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Mark Bergman wrote:
> Hmmm... I wonder about re-architecting Netflix so that each customer caches
> their downloaded content and serves it P2P within the same ISP network...now
> that content from Netflix doesn't cross any peering points.
>
> Lots of possible pro
I find it hard to believe that Netflix isn't already using some sort of CDN.
https://www.netflix.com/openconnect
so they are, kind of.
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Mark Bergman wrote:
>
>
> On July 29, 2014 6:41:45 PM EDT, David Lang wrote:
> => On Mon, 28 Jul 2014, Paul Graydon wrote:
MB> Hmmm... I wonder about re-architecting Netflix so that each customer
MB> caches their downloaded content and serves it P2P within the same ISP
MB> network...
I don't know what the current state of the art is, but a few years ago
there was academic interest in this sort of thing, e.g.
http://ww
On July 29, 2014 6:41:45 PM EDT, David Lang wrote:
=> On Mon, 28 Jul 2014, Paul Graydon wrote:
=>
=> > On 07/28/14 11:02, Edward Ned Harvey (lopser) wrote:
=> >>> From: discuss-boun...@lists.lopsa.org [mailto:discuss-
=> >>> boun...@lists.lopsa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Towns-von Stauber
=>
=> A
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