On Tue, 07 May 2002 11:44:33 +0200 "Ben Hetland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Wed, 1 May 2002 00:17:34 -0400, "James K.Lowden"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I propose: Leave the feature on. Reverse dragging selects
> > intersecting objects, and Forward dragging does not. If the user
> > h
On Tue, 07 May 2002 11:44:33 +0200 "Ben Hetland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Wed, 1 May 2002 00:17:34 -0400, "James K.Lowden"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I propose: Leave the feature on. Reverse dragging selects
> > intersecting objects, and Forward dragging does not. If the user
> > h
On Tue, 07 May 2002, Ben Hetland wrote:
> Well, then allow me to return you "provocation"... :-)
>
> On Wed, 1 May 2002 00:17:34 -0400, "James K.Lowden"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
>> And FWIW, CAD
>> users at least will experience the principle of least surprise.
>
> Of cours
Well, then allow me to return you "provocation"... :-)
On Wed, 1 May 2002 00:17:34 -0400, "James K.Lowden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I propose: Leave the feature on. Reverse dragging selects intersecting
> objects, and Forward dragging does not. If the user holds down a Shift or
> Ctrl k
On Sat, 04 May 2002, Hans Breuer wrote:
> At 12:33 03.05.02 -0500, Lars Clausen wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>You know, I just noticed that you can have a tabbing widget with the tabs
>>to the left. It's not quite a tree, but with the reorganization we
>>talked about earlier, it would probably be nicer, a
At 12:33 03.05.02 -0500, Lars Clausen wrote:
> [...]
>
>You know, I just noticed that you can have a tabbing widget with the tabs
>to the left. It's not quite a tree, but with the reorganization we talked
>about earlier, it would probably be nicer, and it should be easy to change
>into a tree if
On Fri, 3 May 2002, James K. Lowden wrote:
> On 02 May 2002 09:26:15 -0500 "Lars Clausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> Could you mark the widgets somehow so that the connection between values
>> in the prefs structure and widgets isn't hardcoded? That would make it
>> easier to change once the
--- Quote ---
BTW, is there a notion of canvas or diagram preferences,
or templates, sort of like Dia style sheets? It occurred
to me today that I have (non-Dia) diagrams in which the
diagram holds defaults for the objects. Different
diagrams, intentionally, have different rules for fonts,
colors
On 02 May 2002 09:26:15 -0500 "Lars Clausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Basically, the problem is one of mapping Dia's internal preferences
> > structure onto the Glade-generated widget code. prefs_create_dialog
> > becomes very different, because the widgets already exist. With
> > cle
On Wed, 1 May 2002, James K. Lowden wrote:
> On 30 Apr 2002 22:27:16 -0500 "Lars Clausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> > http://www.SchemaMania.org/dia/noodle/
>> >
>> > As you can see, I was able to reduce the size of the dialog by 3x
>>
>> I really like the look of that. The prefs dia
On 30 Apr 2002 22:27:16 -0500 "Lars Clausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > http://www.SchemaMania.org/dia/noodle/
> >
> > As you can see, I was able to reduce the size of the dialog by 3x
>
> I really like the look of that. The prefs dialog at the moment is an
> eyesore (though very easy to
On Wed, 1 May 2002 12:56:04 +0100 (IST) "Alan Horkan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > > http://www.SchemaMania.org/dia/noodle/dia_preferences.glade.
>
> I would still really appreciate if someone could make a screenshot
> available.
I did. http://www.SchemaMania.org/dia/noodle/
Glade doesn't r
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Lars Clausen wrote:
>> It does look good, but it will be difficult to maintain
>>those good looks
>> as options inevitably get added.
>
> True. That can be a bonus, interface-wise: It will
> make us think twice before adding more options.
I think we're already at the point.
On Wednesday 01 May 2002 04:56 PDT, Alan Horkan wrote:
>
> My primary concern is the size of this new dialog, and will
> it work on smaller 400x600 displays. (the Gimp
> installer/first use setup screen does not fit or even resize
> for smaller monitors, and various dialogs in other Gnome/Gtk
> p
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Rob Campbell wrote:
>> > I looked at Dia's preferences with new eyes. Using Glade,
>> I mocked up a
>> > new preferences dialog
>> >
>> > http://www.SchemaMania.org/dia/noodle/dia_preferences.glade.
>> >
> [...]
>> I really like the look of that. The prefs dialog at the mome
> I propose: Leave the feature on. Reverse dragging
selects intersecting
> objects, and Forward dragging does not. If the user
holds down a Shift or
> Ctrl key, the opposite happens: Forward dragging
selects intersecting
> objects, and Reverse dragging does not.
Click selects and shift+click
On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 00:43:05 +0200 "Hubert Figuiere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:> Properties Dialog
> -
> it can be opened using Dialog->Property.
I didn't guess that. "Dialog" is an odd menu item IMHO. There are
several reasonable locations on the main menu for Properties: Edit
On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:30:55 +0200 "Ben Hetland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:> > > This is a pretty common and useful features in CAD
> > > programs. "Reverse drag" means drawing the selection
> > > rectangle from right to left, rather than left to right
> > > (maybe "Reverse drag" is too Euro-cent
> > I looked at Dia's preferences with new eyes. Using Glade, I mocked up a
> > new preferences dialog
> >
> > http://www.SchemaMania.org/dia/noodle/dia_preferences.glade.
> >
> > As you can see, I was able to reduce the size of the dialog by 3x (mostly
> > by using standard checkboxes and a t
> > I looked at Dia's preferences with new eyes. Using Glade,
> I mocked up a
> > new preferences dialog
> >
> > http://www.SchemaMania.org/dia/noodle/dia_preferences.glade.
> >
[...]
> I really like the look of that. The prefs dialog at the moment is an
> eyesore (though very easy to extend),
> > 1. The Grid size is square; you can't set X and Y to
> different scales. I
> > understand why you'd want to in a graph, but I think it's more a
> > hinderance in Dia.
> 3) is explained already, 2) I agree with -- Gimp needs it, as its undo
> parts are big, but not us, 1) I don't like.
There
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, James K. Lowden wrote:
> On 23 Apr 2002 14:33:23 -0500 "Lars Clausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
[...]
> Preference Rot
>
> After reading some of the earlier comments and Joel's book
>
> (http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog57.html)
>
> I looked at Di
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 21:45:51 -0400, "James K.Lowden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:27:51 + "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Using Glade, I mocked up a
[...]
> > This is a pretty common and useful features in CAD
> > programs. "Reverse drag" means draw
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:27:51 + "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Using Glade, I mocked up a
> > new preferences dialog
>
> Could you post a screen shot, for those of us without Glade?
But of course. See http://www.SchemaMania.org/dia/noodle/ for a .PNG and
.JPEG. Please ign
According to [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > The menus on MB2 (middle) and MB3 (right) should be
> conveniences,
> > shortcuts to the main menu. I don't know what the
> Gnome usability folks
> > have to say about that, but it doesn't matter. The
> menu is the menu is
> > the menu: it
According to Lars Clausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> After reading http://www106.pair.com/rhp/free-software-ui.html> about
> user interfaces in open-source software, I would like to hear if anybody
> on the list knows something about user interfaces (more than just from
> having used a bunch). If
> The menus on MB2 (middle) and MB3 (right) should be
conveniences,
> shortcuts to the main menu. I don't know what the
Gnome usability folks
> have to say about that, but it doesn't matter. The
menu is the menu is
> the menu: it contains the full set of options/commands
to use the program.
I a
On 23 Apr 2002 14:33:23 -0500 "Lars Clausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, James K. Lowden wrote:
> > When I start a program, the last thing I want is hints about how to do
> > something I'm not thinking about. It's self-important. I want to
> > open my file or plop a few sh
"Young, Robert" wrote:
>
> > Lars Clausen wrote:
[...]
> > Now's the question: Is there some more relevant information
> > to put there?
> > Currently selected tool? Number of objects selected (after a select
> > operation)? Something?
>
> Current coordinates would be great (even which page
Adrien Beau wrote:
>
> On Tuesday 23 April 2002 07:43, Ben Hetland wrote:
> >
> > The Norwegian keyboard also has this "third class" mania...
> > Some priorities are very strange, for example the so
> > important @ as AltGr-2, while the ¤ (generic currency?) being
> > at Shift-4. I never use the
I'd like to add a little thing: the main window should appear BEFORE the
diagrams to me (when specified in command line), like in The Gimp. This
way the window manager can place the "Diagram Editor" window where you
prefer it to be (up left for me), and then open diagrams elsewhere.
Or else the ap
> Lars Clausen wrote:
>
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Adrien Beau wrote:
> > On Sunday 21 April 2002 14:43, Lars Clausen wrote:
> >>
> >> If there are any,
> >> could you point out the worst problems that Dia has in its
> >> interface? I'd like to turn some attention to that as we
> >> work towards a 1.
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Tom Sorensen wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
>> Behalf Of Lars Clausen
>>
>> Unless you exit Dia by brutal means (leaving X, typing Ctrl-C in a
>> terminal), Dia will ask before closing an unsaved diagram. So you wo
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Lars Clausen
>
> Unless you exit Dia by brutal means (leaving X, typing Ctrl-C in a
> terminal), Dia will ask before closing an unsaved diagram. So you won't
> accidentally lose your work just because
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Cyrille Chepelov wrote:
> Le Tue, Apr 23, 2002, à 03:35:22PM -0500, Lars Clausen a écrit:
>
>> Unless you exit Dia by brutal means (leaving X, typing Ctrl-C in a
>> terminal), Dia will ask before closing an unsaved diagram. So you won't
>> accidentally lose your work just be
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 12:21, Lars Clausen wrote:
>
> This is not quite true: If you select a tool from one sheet,
> then change to another, the indication is wrong.
Yet, I think it is obvious the user must be able to know
at any time which tool he is using.
> Actually, I'm thinking if anythi
Le Tue, Apr 23, 2002, à 03:35:22PM -0500, Lars Clausen a écrit:
> Unless you exit Dia by brutal means (leaving X, typing Ctrl-C in a
> terminal), Dia will ask before closing an unsaved diagram. So you won't
> accidentally lose your work just because you don't notice the modified
> marker.
Lars Clausen wrote:
>
> On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Dolores Alia de Saravia wrote:
> >
> > I just want to say that for me is quite important to know if the
> > diagram has been saved before closing it: Many times I open a diagram
> > and go from changing the diagram to process it once and again. And is
Le Tue, Apr 23, 2002, à 04:07:01PM -0300, Dolores Alia de Saravia a écrit:
> May be the present string is too big; but may be the * is too small.
You've got a point here. Perhaps an icon (a bit like MS Word's floppy icon
(which is also in Borland C++)) should make things obvious, and yet not be
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Dolores Alia de Saravia wrote:
>
> I just want to say that for me is quite important to know if the
> diagram has been saved before closing it: Many times I open a diagram
> and go from changing the diagram to process it once and again. And is
> very important to be sure t
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Lars Clausen wrote:
> I agree with you on this. I have considered removing the !, but I
never
> thought of removing the whole string. Three randomly sampled GTK
programs
> (Sodipodi, Gnumeric and Gnucash) don't have any indication of
modification
> at all. Gedit has "
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 12:33, Lars Clausen wrote:
>
> The only thing I *really* want to see in the start-up hints
> is mention of the right and middle mouse menus. I've seen
> reviews of Gimp complaining about how little you could do
> because the reviewer never figured out the right mouse menu
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, James K. Lowden wrote:
>> is Search/Find really a function that Dia is likely to add at a later
>> state?
>
> If Dia gets good at managing 100+ objects, find-by-name will become
> necessary.
The objects don't really have a name (apart from their type) right now.
Obviously,
> is Search/Find really a function that Dia is likely to add at a later
> state?
If Dia gets good at managing 100+ objects, find-by-name will become
necessary.
Lars, FWIW, please add one No vote on the start-up hints. Thanks to you,
I read Joel's book tonight, which doesn't contain anything e
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Adrien Beau wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 April 2002 10:11, Lars Clausen wrote:
>>
>> I agree with you on this. I have considered removing the !,
>
> I've read the Interface Hall of Shame, as pointed to by
> Alan Horkan (http://www.iarchitect.com/shame.htm), and
> this is one of th
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 10:11, Lars Clausen wrote:
>
> I agree with you on this. I have considered removing the !,
I've read the Interface Hall of Shame, as pointed to by
Alan Horkan (http://www.iarchitect.com/shame.htm), and
this is one of the things you can learn on this big page.
> (...)
>
> Now's the question: Is there some more relevant
> information to put there?
> Currently selected tool? Number of objects selected
> (after a select operation)? Something?
Visio would be a good place to look for inspiration. I
don't have Visio, but I happen to be using a free (as in
beer) CA
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Adrien Beau wrote:
> On Sunday 21 April 2002 14:43, Lars Clausen wrote:
>>
>> If there are any,
>> could you point out the worst problems that Dia has in its
>> interface? I'd like to turn some attention to that as we
>> work towards a 1.0 release.
>
> It's a minor problem,
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 08:44, Alan Horkan wrote:
>
> > I completely agree. This behaviour is unexpected, and it
> > seems to be "destructive". Is there a way to cancel the
> > shortcut assignment you just made?
>
> In gtk while hovering over a menu item press any letter (or
> combination) tochan
> I completely agree. This behaviour is unexpected, and it
> seems to be "destructive". Is there a way to cancel the
> shortcut assignment you just made?
In gtk while hovering over a menu item press any letter (or combination)
tochange the keybinding, or Del to clear the keybinding
Hope that is
On Sunday 21 April 2002 14:43, Lars Clausen wrote:
>
> If there are any,
> could you point out the worst problems that Dia has in its
> interface? I'd like to turn some attention to that as we
> work towards a 1.0 release.
It's a minor problem, but it seems to me that "Diagram modified!"
is almo
On Tuesday 23 April 2002 07:43, Ben Hetland wrote:
>
> The Norwegian keyboard also has this "third class" mania...
> Some priorities are very strange, for example the so
> important @ as AltGr-2, while the ¤ (generic currency?) being
> at Shift-4. I never use the latter, anyone know what it's
> us
Adrien Beau wrote:
>
> On Monday 22 April 2002 12:36, Lars Clausen wrote:
> >
> > AZERTY is evil. They require shift to do numbers. I hated
> > them the entire time I was in Rennes.
>
> Actually, putting ~#{}[]|`\^ and @ as "third class" symbols
> reachable only with the AltGr key is far wors
Adrien Beau wrote:
>
> As for your four operations, what about
>
> Ctrl+S, B (send to very back)
> Ctrl+S, F (send to very front)
> Ctrl+S, D (send down)
> Ctrl+S, U (send up)
>
> I don't like "send" very much.
Hmmm... In my original posting about this, I actua
At 16:43 21.04.02 -0500, Lars Clausen wrote:
>
>After reading http://www106.pair.com/rhp/free-software-ui.html> about
>user interfaces in open-source software, I would like to hear if anybody
>on the list knows something about user interfaces (more than just from
>having used a bunch). If there a
Lars Clausen wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Adrien Beau wrote:
Well guys, i found in few of your posings:
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/draft_hig/user-control.html
Put the User in Control
Remember that computers exist to serve humans. A user should always feel
in control, able t
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Adrien Beau wrote:
> On Monday 22 April 2002 12:36, Lars Clausen wrote:
>>
>> AZERTY is evil. They require shift to do numbers. I hated
>> them the entire time I was in Rennes.
>
> Actually, putting ~#{}[]|`\^ and @ as "third class" symbols
> reachable only with the AltGr k
On Monday 22 April 2002 12:36, Lars Clausen wrote:
>
> AZERTY is evil. They require shift to do numbers. I hated
> them the entire time I was in Rennes.
Actually, putting ~#{}[]|`\^ and @ as "third class" symbols
reachable only with the AltGr key is far worse in my opinion.
But we're digressing
is there an IRC channel we could discuss this on?
how about irc.gnome.org #dia
(im there right now and for the next hour or so)
> As for your four operations, what about
>
> Ctrl+S, B (send to very back)
> Ctrl+S, F (send to very front)
> Ctrl+S, D (send down)
> Ctrl+S, U
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Adrien Beau wrote:
> On Monday 22 April 2002 12:01, Alan Horkan wrote:
>>
>> Taking a similar function as an example
>> Ctrl++ and Ctrl+- are used for Zoom In/Out
>> but some cleverer programs realise that + is in fact Shift =
>> and allow both = and + (some programs allow onl
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Alan Horkan wrote:
>
> disclaimer when i write Ctrl+ i mean Ctrl then another key, emacs users
> seem to prefer the convention C-x C-q but it is should be fairly clear
> what i mean.
[...]
> But let me think about this a bit more
> the functions are:
>
> Send to the very Bac
On Monday 22 April 2002 12:01, Alan Horkan wrote:
>
> Taking a similar function as an example
> Ctrl++ and Ctrl+- are used for Zoom In/Out
> but some cleverer programs realise that + is in fact Shift =
> and allow both = and + (some programs allow only = which i
> find annoying)
>
> Or maybe i am
> > I have used a few applications that implement this, notably
> > a text editor in Windows. IIRC, it had several search
> > shortcuts, all of which where in the form Ctrl+F, another
> > letter. E.g., Ctrl+F,F would "search again", Ctrl+F,N would
> > start a new search, Ctrl+F,B would "search b
disclaimer when i write Ctrl+
i mean Ctrl then another key, emacs users seem to prefer the convention C-x C-q
but it is should be fairly clear what i mean.
> > I don't think Ctrl-> (Ctrl-.) and Ctrl-< (Ctrl-,) are difficult...
> > uncommon, but not difficult. This, of course, is assuming that Ct
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Adrien Beau wrote:
> On Monday 22 April 2002 10:28, Lars Clausen wrote:
>>
>> Ctrl-A should be Select All. I'd like to make Front and Back
>> be Ctrl-> and Ctrl-<, but those are clumsy on US keyboards.
>
> One of the problems with key bindings is that if they use
> something
On Monday 22 April 2002 10:28, Lars Clausen wrote:
>
> Ctrl-A should be Select All. I'd like to make Front and Back
> be Ctrl-> and Ctrl-<, but those are clumsy on US keyboards.
One of the problems with key bindings is that if they use
something other than letters, they always are clumsy on at
l
> > I don't think Ctrl-> (Ctrl-.) and Ctrl-< (Ctrl-,) are difficult...
> > uncommon, but not difficult. This, of course, is assuming that
> Ctrl-. and
> > Ctrl-, would be equivalent, instead of Ctrl-> meaning Ctrl-Shift-. .
>
> Ctrl-> (properly Shft-Ctrl->) is not the same shortcut as Ctrl-.
> Shi
> > Finally found the HIG (not easily found from Gnome.org).
>
> Where is it? I clicked on Alan's link, but it's seriously outdated (no
> updates in ~1.5 years).
here is a more appropriate link, and it is dated 2002
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/draft_hig/
here is slashdot articl
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Tom Sorensen wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Alan Horkan wrote:
>> >
>> > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Ben A. Hetland wrote:
>> >
>> Ctrl-A should be Select All. I'd like to make Front and Back be
>> Ctrl-> and
>> Ctrl-<, but those are clumsy on US keyboards.
>
> Ctrl-A should defini
Personnaly I discovered the kind of interface Dia uses with the
Gimp, and I immediatly loved it. However I'm not happy with some points.
As some have already said, this kind of interface needs powerful window managers, and
certainly a dedicated virtual desktop: when I tried to use Dia wi
> On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Alan Horkan wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Ben A. Hetland wrote:
> >
> Ctrl-A should be Select All. I'd like to make Front and Back be
> Ctrl-> and
> Ctrl-<, but those are clumsy on US keyboards.
Ctrl-A should definitely be select all. Dia has a use for the concept of
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Alan Horkan wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Ben A. Hetland wrote:
>
>> From: Ben A. Hetland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> Lars Clausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > That would allow Ctrl+A to be used for Select All, and Ctrl+I for
>> > > Invert Selection.
>> >
>> > Ctrl-F is
> Should check on those. Sounds like they got some stuff right.
at the end of the day there are always going to be some choices that are
totally irreconsilable (vim Versus emacs) that may neccesitate completely
seperate keybinding schemes but that is a more long term thing that
hopefully can be
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Ben A. Hetland wrote:
> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:54:52 +0200
> From: Ben A. Hetland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Dia's user interface
>
> Lars Clausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Alan Horkan wrote:
>
>> > i went on for ages about keybindings but never got around to
>> > submitting all the necessary patches. I know that you can easily set
>> > these yourself but that is no reason not to have sensible defaults (as
>> > i have said previously on this li
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Rob Campbell wrote:
> Setting the properties of a UML object (and others, I assume, but I only
> use UML) can be tedious, because of the lack of logical tab-order and
> accelerator keys. For example, on the attrbiutes page of the class
> object, Tab cycles thru the tabs of th
> > i went on for ages about keybindings but never got around to submitting
> > all the necessary patches. I know that you can easily set these yourself
> > but that is no reason not to have sensible defaults (as i have said
> > previously on this list and was mentioned in the article).
>
> I ag
Setting the properties of a UML object (and others, I assume, but I only use
UML) can be tedious, because of the lack of logical tab-order and
accelerator keys. For example, on the attrbiutes page of the class object,
Tab cycles thru the tabs of the notebook and OK, Apply, and Close. It never
re
Hi there,
been lurking on this list for a while.
On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 10:57 PM, Lars Clausen wrote:
> Here's a UI question: If multiple objects are selected, should
> properties
> changes apply to them all? Currently that only happens when the objects
> are grouped.
Yes, and the lin
On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, Adrien Beau wrote:
> On Sunday 21 April 2002 14:43, Lars Clausen wrote:
>>
>> http://www106.pair.com/rhp/free-software-ui.html> about
>> user interfaces in open-source software, I would like to hear
>> if anybody on the list knows something about user interfaces
>> (more than
On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, Alan Horkan wrote:
>
> i just finished reading that article, i like Havoc.
>
> i went on for ages about keybindings but never got around to submitting
> all the necessary patches. I know that you can easily set these yourself
> but that is no reason not to have sensible defa
On Sun, 21 Apr 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On April 21, 2002 04:09 pm, you wrote:
>> As for the shapes, I'm not sure the users of this list can
>> do much - if they can, I guess they've already done it. I
> One set of shapes missing is the Gane and Sarson data flow shapes but I
> literally h
ring and reusing the best ideas from similar
programs like Kivio, Visio, Rational Rose, Sodipodi, Corel Draw etc.
On 21 Apr 2002, Lars Clausen wrote:
> Date: 21 Apr 2002 16:43:31 -0500
> From: Lars Clausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROT
On April 21, 2002 04:09 pm, you wrote:
> On Sunday 21 April 2002 14:43, Lars Clausen wrote:
> > http://www106.pair.com/rhp/free-software-ui.html> about
> > user interfaces in open-source software, I would like to hear
> > if anybody on the list knows something about user interfaces
> > (more than
On Sunday 21 April 2002 14:43, Lars Clausen wrote:
>
> http://www106.pair.com/rhp/free-software-ui.html> about
> user interfaces in open-source software, I would like to hear
> if anybody on the list knows something about user interfaces
> (more than just from having used a bunch). If there are a
I like the interface... =}
D.
On Sun, 2002-04-21 at 23:43, Lars Clausen wrote:
>
> After reading http://www106.pair.com/rhp/free-software-ui.html> about
> user interfaces in open-source software, I would like to hear if anybody
> on the list knows something about user interfaces (more than just
After reading http://www106.pair.com/rhp/free-software-ui.html> about
user interfaces in open-source software, I would like to hear if anybody
on the list knows something about user interfaces (more than just from
having used a bunch). If there are any, could you point out the worst
problems tha
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