[RFC] Switching to SPDX in license tags

2015-07-09 Thread Haïkel
Hi, I would like to get feedback from Fedora Legal and also my fellow contributors about considering SPDX. SPDX (Software Package Data Exchange) is a specification hosted by the Linux Foundation defining a standard format for communicating components, licenses and copyrights associated with a sof

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] [RFC] Switching to SPDX in license tags

2015-07-09 Thread Haïkel
2015-07-09 14:08 GMT+02:00 Josh Boyer : > > Can you elaborate on how you envision this working? SPDX appears to > work best when upstream projects integrate it and maintain it > themselves. Doing that downstream is possible, but it sounds both > time consuming and easy to get wrong or stale. > >

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] [RFC] Switching to SPDX in license tags

2015-07-09 Thread Haïkel
2015-07-09 14:24 GMT+02:00 Richard Fontana : > What distros or upstream projects are actually using the SPDX format? > I am not aware of any. > Currently Suse is using it, they even patched their packaging compliance checkers to support it. > > I am aware of some projects using these identifiers.

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] [RFC] Switching to SPDX in license tags

2015-07-09 Thread Haïkel
2015-07-09 15:17 GMT+02:00 Miro Hrončok : > On 9.7.2015 14:48, Haïkel wrote: >> * mass changing all specs => could be automated > > Actually, openSUSE has a tool for this: > > https://github.com/openSUSE/spec-cleaner > > It can convert their old license abbrevs t

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] [RFC] Switching to SPDX in license tags

2015-07-09 Thread Haïkel
2015-07-09 15:42 GMT+02:00 Tom Callaway : > On 07/09/2015 09:14 AM, Haïkel wrote: >> Currently Suse is using it, they even patched their packaging compliance >> checkers to support it. > > Well, no, actually, they're not. They're using the matching identifiers. >

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] [RFC] Switching to SPDX in license tags

2015-07-09 Thread Haïkel
2015-07-09 16:21 GMT+02:00 Richard Fontana : > On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 09:42:55AM -0400, Tom Callaway wrote: >> I'm hesitant to go down this road for a number of reasons: > [...] >> 5) It implies that we're planning on implementing the full SPDX >> specification. And we're not. > > This last one is

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] [RFC] Switching to SPDX in license tags

2015-07-09 Thread Haïkel
2015-07-09 16:49 GMT+02:00 Richard Fontana : > On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 04:41:00PM +0200, Haďkel wrote: >> From my PoV, the abbreviation system is already an improvement, >> if it's commonly shared with other distros (and Suse already switched to it). > > I don't see how it's an improvement if the u

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] [RFC] Switching to SPDX in license tags

2015-07-09 Thread Haïkel
2015-07-09 17:17 GMT+02:00 Richard Hughes : > On 9 July 2015 at 13:24, Richard Fontana wrote: >> What distros or upstream projects are actually using the SPDX format? > > AppStream uses it[1], and also tries to map the Fedora licences to > SPDX forms[2], with a limited amount of success. We use it

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] [RFC] Switching to SPDX in license tags

2015-07-10 Thread Haïkel
ontana : >On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 02:03:43PM +0200, Haïkel wrote: >> On a more practical side, it would mean standardizing on SPDX short >> identifier to design licenses >> and exceptions in all our packages. >> https://spdx.org/spdx-license-list > >I am aware o

Re: Sponsor shortage

2015-07-10 Thread Haïkel
2015-07-10 15:31 GMT+02:00 Jonathan Underwood : > Hi, > > Today I happened to look at this page: > > http://fedoraproject.org/PackageReviewStatus/NEEDSPONSOR.html > > from which I can see we have potentially on the order of 100 new > potential contributors to Fedora whose efforts we're missing ou

Re: Sponsor shortage

2015-07-10 Thread Haïkel
I recommend you to start doing informal reviews and link them to your own tickets. By doing so, you'll be: 1. showing your understanding/knowledge of RPM packaging/Fedora guidelines 2. help reducing the workload => if applicants do good informal reviews, I usually approve/finish them AND that inclu

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] FTBFS Packages in rawhide (2015-07-11)

2015-07-11 Thread Haïkel
I fixed python-autopep8 as provenpackager. python-umemcache should be dropped, it has not been updated upstream since 2013, it doesn't support python3, and nothing requires it. Regards, H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Sponsor shortage

2015-07-11 Thread Haïkel
@Stephan: this is hardly readable, I don't what is quoted and what's your answer. H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Sponsor shortage

2015-07-11 Thread Haïkel
2015-07-11 19:47 GMT+02:00 Michael Schwendt : > On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 19:44:39 +0200, Haïkel wrote: > > > @Stephan: this is hardly readable, I don't what is quoted and what's your > > answer. > > Claws Mail has no trouble displaying the message. It's a multipa

Re: Is %autosetup another unwanted baby of Fedora?

2015-07-13 Thread Haïkel
2015-07-13 16:20 GMT+02:00 Pádraig Brady : > > maybe pull `rdopkg update-patches` into `fedpkg` ? > > That's more or less, what I'll be suggesting in my patch management session at Flock ;) btw, rdopkg now handles properly %autosetup \o/ H. > cheers, > Pádraig. > -- > devel mailing list > devel

Re: Is %autosetup another unwanted baby of Fedora?

2015-07-14 Thread Haïkel
2015-07-14 10:24 GMT+02:00 Mikolaj Izdebski : > On 07/13/2015 02:39 PM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > > When I moved to Fedora after years of doing Debian packages I noticed > > that there is no such thing as patch management when it comes to Fedora > > packages. Everyone is using %patch macro with

Re: Unretiring the mumble package

2015-07-14 Thread Haïkel
There's already an effort to unretire it, you may join: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1181366 btw, I don't think this is a good idea to start as a packager with Mumble. Regards, h. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2015-07-29)

2015-07-29 Thread Haïkel
Sorry, I'll be unable to join as my ISP decided to mess up with their equipment. H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: [PATCH] Update to 2.0.2

2015-08-02 Thread Haïkel
+1 @Igor: patches should be sent through bugzilla or by mail to package owners, unless you have a good reason like requests for comments or serious dispute w/ package owners though there are better ways. Moreover, not contacting package maintainer won't encourage provenpackagers to give it a shot

Re: Grub2 older in f24 than in f23

2015-08-02 Thread Haïkel
Hi, I see no emergency, F23 package was updated this friday, and as *nothing is broken*, that could have waited Peter's feedback. Yes, this is an open source project, but we can respect other contributors right to enjoy their week-end peacefully. Had it broke something, I'd have understood not wa

Re: Is it time to allow Chromium in Fedora?

2015-08-12 Thread Haïkel
Le 11 août 2015 5:08 PM, "Chris Adams" a écrit : > > Once upon a time, Gerald B. Cox said: > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Chris Adams wrote: > > > What packaging exceptions are being made for Firefox? > > > > They can be found here: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:No_Bundled_

Re: Sponsors - who does (not) work on FE-NEEDSPONSOR tickets

2015-08-15 Thread Haïkel
Though it's always nice to read in the morning that you're a good guy, I have few comments. + some people have been recently given the sponsor bit + some people do actively help our new packagers to grow but it does not appear here + others have done a tremendous works as sponsors in the past and

Re: Sponsors - who does (not) work on FE-NEEDSPONSOR tickets

2015-08-16 Thread Haïkel
2015-08-16 10:33 GMT-04:00 Kevin Fenzi : > On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 10:02:05 -0400 > Haïkel wrote: > > ...snip... > >> Using Bugzilla rather than FAS is not a bad idea, as some people >> abuse their sponsor status by blindly adding people into the packager >> group w

Re: Sponsors - who does (not) work on FE-NEEDSPONSOR tickets

2015-08-17 Thread Haïkel
Le 17 août 2015 8:47 AM, "Josh Boyer" a écrit : > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > This is current output from my script with updates based on your comments: > > Axel Thimm - no recent sponsor activity > > Had his packages orphaned a while ago due to non-responsive ma

Re: Sponsors - who does (not) work on FE-NEEDSPONSOR tickets

2015-08-21 Thread Haïkel
2015-08-21 0:58 GMT+02:00 Orion Poplawski : > On 08/20/2015 02:50 AM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: >> >> I was just watching the ongoing reports of want-to-be-contributors how hard >> is to get sponsored; reports how Fedora >> Repository stalled [1]; discussion that we actually do not know how many >> a

Re: bodhi 2 now live

2015-08-21 Thread Haïkel
Sometimes, I wonder if you're not doing this on purpose. Rather than preventing our infrastructure team to fix the actual issues with useless squabbles, just open tickets to let them know. Forget the ridiculous github excuse, fedorahosted trac instance still accepts tickets. Out of respect of the

Re: bodhi 2 now live

2015-08-22 Thread Haïkel
2015-08-22 4:46 GMT+02:00 Christopher Meng : > > Occupying the moral high ground doesn't help as well. > -- > > Yours sincerely, > Christopher Meng > If you want your bugs to be fixed, posting them on a list and ignoring the bug tracker doesn't work. And for people who don't want to go through gi

Re: bodhi 2 now live

2015-08-22 Thread Haïkel
2015-08-22 12:07 GMT+02:00 Reindl Harald : > > come on the bugtracker also don't work > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1226509#c5 > Thanks for definitively killing this thread by posting something unrelated. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproj

Re: Sane ownCloud alternatives (was: Re: Looking for new maintainer: ownCloud (Fedora / EPEL))

2015-08-31 Thread Haïkel
There's also cozy cloud , though it's JavaScript much less insane than owncloud. https://cozy.io/ Regards, H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-11 Thread Haïkel
2015-09-11 20:24 GMT+02:00 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson : > > > The inclusion of what now 15k components in the distribution is a testimony > of success of un-bundling against your testimony of ( few ) failures of > bundling. > > JBG > Say that *after* you properly reviewed the current set of packages. Y

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-11 Thread Haïkel
2015-09-11 21:09 GMT+02:00 Josh Stone : > On 09/11/2015 10:35 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> Actually, the opposite is true. RHEL has fewer limitations in this >> space. Red Hat's layered projects ship a fair amount of bundled stuff. >> This problem is entirely Fedora's. Fedora has far stricter ru

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-11 Thread Haïkel
2015-09-10 15:53 GMT+02:00 Stephen Gallagher : > I assume that subject line got your attention. > > I know this is a long-standing debate and that this thread is likely > to turn into an incomprehensible flamewar filled with the same tired > arguments, but I'm going to make a proposal and then atte

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-11 Thread Haïkel
2015-09-11 21:26 GMT+02:00 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson : > > > Right as well as most issues already have been found and fixed in Fedora > long before those components enter RHEL. > > JBG > Fair point, Fedora brings value to Red Hat and it is acknowledged. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-11 Thread Haïkel
2015-09-11 23:37 GMT+02:00 Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski : > > It's not an improvement as such. We already require the Provides: > bundled(foo) thing, though we rely on the good will of maintainers > (both in Fedora and upstream) because we have practical means of > enforcement. > It's currently

Re: No autocomplete for new package in bodhi 2.0?

2015-09-12 Thread Haïkel
There's autocompletion on package name, but looks like bodhi autocompletion database was not refreshed. H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Rpmbuild SPEC file - variable declaration

2015-09-13 Thread Haïkel
I might add that fedora-review could be run on local spec + srpm and will warn you about these kinds of things. H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Haïkel
2015-09-13 10:16 GMT+02:00 Andrew Haley : > > The development model followed by much of the upstream world is > immature: it may not even be repeatable, let alone well-defined. > Shoehorning upstream's mess of bundled requirements is a very useful > service that we can provide to our users. By beh

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Haïkel
2015-09-13 20:40 GMT+02:00 Matěj Cepl : > On 2015-09-13, 13:13 GMT, Haïkel wrote: >> But, distros have lost the influence they used to have then, we're in the >> cloud/container era where people bundle everything ... > > And they won't retake it by giving up. Then t

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-14 Thread Haïkel
2015-09-14 12:45 GMT+02:00 Reindl Harald : > > > > and much more important: > > if Fedora changes to more and more recommend "pip", "gem" and "cpan" like > installs instead RPM packages it is no longer a distribution over the long > because that would mean finally you have a core OS and handle anyt

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-14 Thread Haïkel
2015-09-14 13:17 GMT+02:00 Andrew Haley : > On 09/13/2015 09:23 PM, Haïkel wrote: >> I'm not speaking about PHP, most of the upstream I deal with >> are python developers. Bad habits are rather spreading than >> regressing. > > We're not going to solv

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-14 Thread Haïkel
2015-09-14 14:38 GMT+02:00 Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski : > > This case doesn't automatically mean that we should allow bundling. > Especially, if there are multiple consumers of the library in question. > A recent example is kwsys, which is bundled in every project released > by kitware. See bug

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-18 Thread Haïkel
2015-09-15 13:02 GMT+02:00 Ralf Corsepius : > > a) We don't have any such tracking system. If maintainers followed FPC recommendations on that matter, it will be very easy to have one. I have in my TODO to implement one for CentOS Cloud SIG to track security issues for some horrible packages > b

Re: [EPEL-devel] [Proposal] Converge EPEL and CBS

2015-09-24 Thread Haïkel
Looks like we do have some progress on that topic :) So plan B would be: 1. automate EPEL rebuilds in CBS 2. have CI run automated test suite over EPEL rebuilds Correct me if I'm wrong but we would be ok to enable CentOS folks to fix EPEL packaging. It would be easier if we do create an epel-prov

Re: unsigned char vs. signed char

2014-07-15 Thread Haïkel
According the standard, char is supposed to be a distinct type from signed/unsigned char. btw, most commonly-used compilers (gcc, msvc, etc.) does use these defaults, but you can't even assume that for every compilers. If one wants to check the signedness of char, she could check CHAR_MIN is equal

Re: Unresponsive maintainer: bioinformatics

2014-07-18 Thread Haïkel
2014-07-18 15:38 GMT+02:00 Martin Preisler : > Anybody knows how to contact Mercier Jonathan? FAS name: bioinformatics > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=966983 > He was on irc, last week. Did you try email-ing him ? Regards, H. > -- > Martin Preisler > -- > devel mailing list > dev

Re: Unresponsive maintainer: bioinformatics

2014-07-24 Thread Haïkel
Hi, I had some news 5 days ago, he was on a professional travel in Portugal. @Jonathan: could you answer Martin, please ? I don't know the whole context, but I think that you - I mean both of you - should start a thread on this list about the aforementioned ticket. btw, please notice that throug

Re: Package reviewers (and comaintainers) wanted

2014-07-25 Thread Haïkel
Hi, I took the review of python-{botocore,jmespath,bcdoc} and awscli. Regards, H? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Self Introduction: Irina Boverman

2014-07-28 Thread Haïkel
Done, as the POC is ok and you're involved upstream, this should be no problem. Please refer to the ticket for details. Regards, H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-c

[Request for Comments] Governance change for Fedora Project

2014-08-15 Thread Haïkel
Dear contributors, Following the current discussion about governance, a proposal to change the governance model of the project has been made during the "Governance for Fedora.Next workshop" in Flock Prague 2014. We request your feedbacks about before considering its adoption or rejection. * disso

Re: How quickly should we retire orphaned packages?

2014-08-21 Thread Haïkel
2014-08-21 16:11 GMT+02:00 Richard W.M. Jones : > As requested on this ticket, I'm opening this up for discussion. > https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1332 > > There's a proposal to retire packages quite quickly (I think) after > they are orphaned. At the moment packages are retired once per >

Re: How quickly should we retire orphaned packages?

2014-08-21 Thread Haïkel
2014-08-21 16:23 GMT+02:00 Matthew Miller : > On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 04:19:17PM +0200, Haïkel wrote: >> > (c) An orphaned package is not necessarily a risk ("security" has been >> > mentioned here ...). Just because it might be a risk on rare >> > occ

Re: New Group Calls For Boycotting Systemd

2014-09-04 Thread Haïkel
*sigh* Could we stop ranting every time, we speak about systemd ? Not only, it's tiresome but it does *not* help to fix the aforementioned issues. systemd and its upstream are not perfect, but systemd gains vs loss are by far positive. About systemd-network, there are perfectly valid arguments to

Re: Future changes in the new package and new branch processes

2014-09-05 Thread Haïkel
2014-09-05 17:08 GMT+02:00 Pierre-Yves Chibon : > Dear all, > > In the last months, Till and I together with infrastructure and > release-engineering have been thinking and working on how we could improve the > current workflow for new package and new branch. > > To give you an idea, this is the cu

Re: Indeterminate sponsor status

2014-09-11 Thread Haïkel
2014-09-11 17:23 GMT+02:00 Matthew Booth : > I opened a ticket to become a package sponsor here: > https://fedorahosted.org/packager-sponsors/ticket/144 > > I seem to have gained the requisite number of votes (thanks!), but I > don't yet seem to be a sponsor. The docs suggest this is an automatic >

Re: Trivial Python Review Swap

2014-09-16 Thread Haïkel
2014-09-16 15:24 GMT+02:00 Stephen Gallagher : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I need a review for a trivial Python library: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1142276 > > I'll swap for a similarly straightforward review if you've got one. Hi Stephen, I will gladl

Re: Nginx + Php + WebApp

2014-09-16 Thread Haïkel
Fantastic, you did it ! I suggest to submit it as a Feature for F22. H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Flock 2014 attendee badge

2014-09-17 Thread Haïkel
2014-09-18 4:12 GMT+02:00 Ralph Bean : > > Hi! There was a QR-code on the back of the Flock 2014 pamphlet that > was handed out to attendees at the event. Scanning it would award the > badge to your account. > > If someone can vouch for Anibal, someone from sysadmin-badges can > award the badge m

Re: [RETRACTION] Re: Unofficial Poll: Flock 2015 (North America) Bids

2014-09-22 Thread Haïkel
Proposals are supposed to provide travel costs from pre-determined airports at the *targeted* period. If I trust informations from the proposals, SLC would be too expensive to cover travel expenses for EMEA folks. @+ H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproje

Re: [systemd-devel] I wonder… why systemd provokes this amount of polarity and resistance

2014-09-22 Thread Haïkel
Please avoid cross-posting in the middle of a thread without contextualization. Regards, H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Review swap: python-pyngus

2014-09-25 Thread Haïkel
2014-09-25 16:36 GMT+02:00 Darryl L. Pierce : > I have a package I'd like to get reviewed and will swap a review with > someone else to get it done. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1146575 > If you can't find anybody to swap with, take *any* pending review and ping me, I'll review

Re: Go packaging

2014-09-29 Thread Haïkel
Currently, there is *no* golang packaging guidelines approved, so we shouldn't have accepted golang packages in the first place. https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/382 The most urgent issue is to complete the current draft and champion it to the FPC. Without guidelines, we're just increasing pac

Re: Go packaging

2014-09-30 Thread Haïkel
@Matthew: I'm just stating a fact, the absence of guidelines does not mean that we can accept reviews. In this case, you can't help but violate a few general guidelines when you use the golang toolchain, for instance: "statically linked executables", that would require an exception from fesco on ca

Re: Go packaging

2014-09-30 Thread Haïkel
2014-09-30 11:42 GMT+02:00 Florian Weimer : > > I tried, didn't work. It's not surprising because filing bugs doesn't fix > them. > If package owner doesn't answer or have no good reasons, just CC a provenpackager and he will fix it for you. H. > -- > Florian Weimer / Red Hat Product Security >

Re: How to handle upgrades to Fedora 21

2014-09-30 Thread Haïkel
2014-09-30 15:04 GMT+02:00 Petr Hracek : > > In RHEL we are using preupgrade-assistant [1] which does this work. > If user write a check script then it will inform user that upgrade is not > supported. > The check script can also inform user that e.g. mariadb changed structure > and it's required t

Re: Go packaging

2014-09-30 Thread Haïkel
2014-09-30 16:20 GMT+02:00 Richard W.M. Jones : > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:19:01AM +0200, Haïkel wrote: >> @Rich Jones: I agree with you that gaining experience, but that could >> be done using a copr repository or granting exceptions for a limited >> set of packages. >

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Haïkel
I don't see any real benefit to move to dash since we get rid of sysV init, no security improvements, but a lot of breakages to fix (Debian spent a lot of time to fix bashisms in their packages ...) That doesn't mean that we shouldn't consider it -this is a sane to periodically re-assess our defaul

Re: Dash as default shell

2014-10-02 Thread Haïkel
2014-10-02 17:56 GMT+02:00 Tomasz Torcz : > > Also it will reduce differences between Linux distribution. And take us > closed to what majority (Ubuntu and Debian) does. > I don't see the point, now that we use systemd ... Besides, even on Debian/Ubuntu, Bash is still the most popular script she

Re: Retiring OpenShift v2 non-client packages from Fedora

2014-10-03 Thread Haïkel
This makes sense to me, though it annoys me as a token of our failure to be an attractive platform for such use cases. DId you consider providing a copr repository ? Regards, H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code

Re: Retiring OpenShift v2 non-client packages from Fedora

2014-10-03 Thread Haïkel
2014-10-03 22:30 GMT+02:00 Stephen Gallagher : > > > > On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 21:43 +0200, Haïkel wrote: >> This makes sense to me, though it annoys me as a token of our failure >> to be an attractive platform for such use cases. >> >> DId you consider provid

Re: rpm 4.12 and weak dependencies

2014-10-08 Thread Haïkel
2014-10-08 20:31 GMT+02:00 Kevin Fenzi : > Greetings. > > This F21 change: > http://fedoraproject.org//wiki/Changes/RPM-4.12 > > has brought us 'weak dependencies', namely: > > Recommends, Suggests, Supplements and Enhances > > Rpm in f21 and rawhide sees these in spec files and builds fine with >

Re: rpm 4.12 and weak dependencies

2014-10-09 Thread Haïkel
2014-10-09 8:57 GMT+02:00 Ralf Corsepius : > > I do not. > I understand your point of view, in a different context (ie: dnf being default package manager), I would have shared yours. > > We need a precise and detailed functional description about what these "weak > dependencies" are supposed to d

Re: Engineering Representiatve for the new Fedora Council

2014-10-13 Thread Haïkel
I'll be speaking in my own name: The Eng. Rep. is not necessarily a Fesco member but should be someone willing to collaborate regularly with them. She should have a fairly broad overview of Fedora Engineering and be an active contributor. The ideal candidate should be someone who has experience i

Re: Engineering Representiatve for the new Fedora Council

2014-10-15 Thread Haïkel
After consulting various people, I nominate Josh Boyer as a candidate. He is an experienced and highly esteemed fesco & board member and I believe he is the right person to join the council as Eng. Rep. His experience and his broad but deep understanding of Fedora engineering will be valuable. I'

Re: Engineering Representiatve for the new Fedora Council

2014-10-15 Thread Haïkel
2014-10-15 17:21 GMT+02:00 Paul W. Frields : > > Although I may not have all the deep technical knowledge of some FESCo > members, I'd be willing to serve in this capacity. I do have > experience working with different groups in Fedora, including the > Board and FESCo, and release related groups l

Re: Request new package

2014-10-19 Thread Haïkel
2014-10-19 15:20 GMT+02:00 Valerio Pachera : > Hi all, > > this may be the wrong list to ask to. > If so, please let me know which list is more appropriate. > Hi, since sheepdog is already in Fedora Packages Collection, you should have contacted David (fas: ke4qqq), its maintainer before. You cou

Re: Request new package

2014-10-21 Thread Haïkel
2014-10-21 8:49 GMT+02:00 Valerio Pachera : > 2014-10-20 15:04 GMT+02:00 Richard Shaw : >> On a side note, I played around building a package and noticed that only a >> sysvinit file is provided. Upstream should develop a systemd service file. > > Hi Richard, thank you very much for this note that

Re: Decision on Fedora Product branding: Fedora $PRODUCT 21 vs Fedora 21 $PRODUCT

2014-10-21 Thread Haïkel
2014-10-21 16:39 GMT+02:00 Máirín Duffy : > > > On 10/21/2014 09:36 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: >> >> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 08:28:16AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >>> >>> A few specific comments that have been made on the Board ticket (to >>> avoid rehashing them). >>> >>> * "Fedora Server 21"

Re: Request new package

2014-10-21 Thread Haïkel
See, that's easy ! :) H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Decision on Fedora Product branding: Fedora $PRODUCT 21 vs Fedora 21 $PRODUCT

2014-10-21 Thread Haïkel
2014-10-21 17:06 GMT+02:00 David Timothy Strauss : > Should be Fedora 21 $PRODUCT because the Fedora version is underneath > the product, and one product can usually convert into another on an > installed system. Caution, there is no guarantee that it will always be supported. As far as the Cloud

Re: Self Introduction : Chandan Kumar

2015-03-10 Thread Haïkel
Hi Chandan, start by doing informal reviews and linking them back in your own review. Then you have a deps to package before: python-wrapt. Regards, H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedora

Re: glibc fix to allow instlangs to really work -- too late for f22?

2015-03-18 Thread Haïkel
My 2cts as Cloud SIG member is that we shouldn't wait for F23 as long as it's ready for beta or even shortly before. This is not just an annoyance, this is an huge impediment toward successful cloud product. I kindly ask fesco to take this into consideration Regards, H. -- devel mailing list de

Re: git perl-less build?

2015-06-04 Thread Haïkel
2015-06-04 9:34 GMT+02:00 Petr Stodulka : > > > On 3.6.2015 15:35, Todd Zullinger wrote: > > Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Petr Stodulka wrote: > > On 3.6.2015 13:56, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > > [...] > > What about adopting something similar to what has been done for the

Re: Puppet 4

2015-06-04 Thread Haïkel
2015-06-04 20:21 GMT+02:00 John Florian : > I’ve been curious how Fedora plans to tackle inclusion of Puppet 4, but > haven’t heard even a peep on the subject. As described[1], they’ve moved to > an all-in-one packaging process that “includes Puppet 4, both Facter 2.4 and > CFacter 0.4, the latest

Re: yum for mock in RHEL 6?

2015-06-16 Thread Haïkel
2015-06-15 11:47 GMT+02:00 Mathieu Bridon : > > Kevin didn't say anything about it being silent. > > By all means, do warn people that mock is going to use yum instead of > dnf as it should. > > But an application should never print an error message telling the user > what they can do to get the er

Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results

2015-06-29 Thread Haïkel
Another possibility is that people didn't find any candidate to their taste. I suggest adding a None option too. Though it won't change results, it will give us metrics to measure that. Regards, H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinf

Re: FESCO Elections - June 2015 - Results

2015-06-29 Thread Haïkel
2015-06-29 22:17 GMT+02:00 Chris Murphy : > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Haïkel wrote: >> Another possibility is that people didn't find any candidate to their taste. >> I suggest adding a None option too. >> Though it won't change results, it will give us m

Re: Self introduction: Martin Buenahora

2014-05-19 Thread Haïkel
Hi Martin ! Welcome to Fedora 😄 Practical question to Legal geeks, is being minor an issue for contributing and do we have a process to cover that ? In some countries, I know for sure that it requires parents agreement. Regards, H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://adm

Re: Self Introduction: Christopher Tubbs

2014-05-19 Thread Haïkel
Welcome to Fedora ! If you don't find a sponsor before the beginning of June, feel free to ping me (fas: hguemar, irc nick: number80). At the moment, I have very limited bandwidth. Regards, H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/de

Re: rawhide report: 20140522 changes

2014-05-22 Thread Haïkel
Hi, As for diet, it requires to be patched to compile with GCC latest werror flags enabled (they could be upstreamed too). Low-hanging fruit but my arm is still in a sling for 2 or 3 weeks at least. Regards, H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/m

Re: Rebuilds for Boost 1.55 mostly done

2014-05-26 Thread Haïkel
BTW, thank you Ralf. Le 26 mai 2014 18:09, "Ralf Corsepius" a écrit : > On 05/26/2014 05:11 PM, Petr Machata wrote: > > 6881890 diet (-Werror=format-string) >> > AFAICT, the maintainer is temporarily out-of-business for health reasons, > so I went ahead fixed this earlier today. > > Ralf

Re: Draft Fedora 21 Test Plan

2014-05-27 Thread Haïkel
Awesome ! My opinion is that QA and WG should cooperate directly: no middle-man. We need to have a QA liaison in each WG. I didn't see if there's a taskotron hackfest at Flock but I'm looking forward having one, be it in the lobby. Regards, H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org h

Re: Self Introduction: Jeff Schroeder

2014-05-27 Thread Haïkel
2014-05-27 15:13 GMT+02:00 Matthew Miller : > On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 01:34:25PM -0500, Jeff Schroeder wrote: >> [4] http://serfdom.io >> [5] http://consul.io > > Hi Jeff! Welcome! These look pretty interesting. Do you think they're worth > integrating with GearD as a possible part of Fedora Atomic

Re: Slipping F21 (was: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-06-11))

2014-06-11 Thread Haïkel
My personal opinion is that we ought to try not disrupting the release schedule. If some features miss the release train, it could wait 6 monthq (and, I disagree with dropping the whole server products). Fedora.Next is a big change in our model, our priority is to release F21 and get some feedbacks

Re: WARNING: malicious code

2014-07-06 Thread Haïkel
2014-07-06 13:51 GMT+02:00 Sandro Mani : > > It was a line ordering issue. > The cwd before that call was the temporary directory. > Please trust me, I really feel bad about this, and will never again push > code which was written late at night. Again, I really apologize. > Sounds likely, I was mo

Re: FEVer or?

2014-07-06 Thread Haïkel
2014-07-06 13:59 GMT+02:00 Conrad Meyer : > Hi lazy-list, > > Back in the day, there was FEver for monitoring new upstream > releases. Is that still what we use, or is there a new thing > now? And where does it live? Cursory googling failed to > locate it. > It's called cnucnu All details here: ht

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-10-07)

2015-10-08 Thread Haïkel
2015-10-08 10:55 GMT+02:00 Tomas Mraz : > On Čt, 2015-10-08 at 00:06 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> > * #1483 Decision on bundling policy in the Fedora Package Collection >> > (sgallagh, 18:11:40) >> > * LINK: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/276064/44243383/ is sgallag

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-10-07)

2015-10-08 Thread Haïkel
2015-10-09 0:08 GMT+02:00 Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski : > On Wednesday, 07 October 2015 at 21:17, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> Meeting summary >> --- > [...] >> * #1483 Decision on bundling policy in the Fedora Package Collection >> (sgallagh, 18:11:40) >> * LINK: http://paste.fed

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-10-08 Thread Haïkel
2015-10-09 0:42 GMT+02:00 Kevin Kofler : > Neal Gompa wrote: >> Not that I don't agree that we should pursue unbundling whenever >> possible, but I don't remember any contract or terms that explicitly said >> *packagers* do the work of *developers* to re-architect >> applications/services/etc to do

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-10-07)

2015-10-09 Thread Haïkel
2015-10-09 1:17 GMT+02:00 Kevin Kofler : > Haïkel wrote: >> Not that I'm 100% happy with the way it happened but this has been a >> very long-lived topic. To some, it'll be a hasty decision, to others, >> it's already a late one. > > There'

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2015-10-07)

2015-10-09 Thread Haïkel
2015-10-09 16:20 GMT+02:00 Neal Gompa : > > A SIG dedicated to going through our packages and "systemizing" them (e.g. > unbundling them) would probably be a really good idea, especially with the > new rules. A group of packagers experienced in this could be solicited to > help with trickier packag

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