Re: switching libcurl back to OpenSSL and providing the libcurl-minimal subpackage

2017-04-05 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Apr 5, 2017, at 11:28 AM, Kamil Dudka wrote: > Anyway, do not overestimate the power of HTTP/2. It will not transparently > bring you better transfers for free. You can speak HTTP/2 even while using > the curl tool but it is mainly useful for testing. If you want to take the > advantage

Re: What is your opinion on "sudo pip" fix for Fedora 27?

2017-04-26 Thread Colin Walters
> Our first attempt to make sudo pip safe on Fedora [0] was This seems to be using "Fedora" to mean a *host* system, and I'd agree there. I'll note as an aside that the other host system management tool we use in Fedora is rpm-ostree, part of Atomic Host: https://github.com/projectatomic/rpm-os

Re: Reminder: GitHub etc. auto-generated archives are not stable in time

2017-05-24 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, May 24, 2017, at 11:22 AM, Jan Pokorný wrote: > Nope, the point is that nothing has changed in the codebase or, for > that matter, tags. It must have been GitHub that changed how its > equivalent of "git archive" behaves. Yep, that's happened in the past, obviously just happened again,

Re: Rawhide: where for art thou? (why no rawhide composes recently)

2017-06-13 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > I know we're already at new-deliverable explosion, but this seems like > a place where it'd be nice to have Rawhide and Bikeshed (or whatever we > want to call "tested and believed-to-be basically functional Rawhide"). > That doesn't see

Re: super-drafty F28 and F29 schedules

2017-07-11 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Jul 6, 2017, at 09:15 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > Hopefully, by the time we are at F28, Modularity will provide a way for > us to offer faster streams for people who want them -- but let's also > focus on stable releases. But with Modularity, how much does it even make sense to talk abou

Re: super-drafty F28 and F29 schedules

2017-07-11 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Jul 11, 2017, at 03:49 PM, Jean-Baptiste Holcroft wrote: > Le 11/07/2017 à 19:30, Colin Walters a écrit : > > specific ones. And we get into a lot of interesting questions around > > the intersection > > of the languages and Workstation, depending on what gets inst

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-14 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017, at 07:53 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > When I see the plans that are floated around, the other stuff might also end > up being containerized in a similar way, just using other technologies > (e.g., Docker). There are definitely apps today that are designed to run in standal

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-16 Thread Colin Walters
Hi, On Fri, Jul 14, 2017, at 05:52 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > I don't see the problem. The runtime could be all of /use and the app > could be a symlink living in /app that points at /usr. The latter > could be created on the fly in a tmpfs. You're right; however, there are two other aspec

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-18 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017, at 02:58 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > But if I've understood correctly, any changes to the base will be discarded > > when you update the base image. right? No; `rpm-ostree install` is persistent, and so are other changes like `rpm-ostree initramfs --enable` and so is the rec

Re: gnome software shell search provider? [Re: Is Gnome Software ready for primetime?]

2013-11-04 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 14:48 +, Richard Hughes wrote: > I like what ChromeOS > does where it has a rescue-ish partition, to do the upgrade, but > without something like btrfs that can switch roots on a running > filesystem that's basically impossible on Linux. This is precisely what https://wik

Re: Draft Product Description for Fedora Workstation

2013-11-05 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 13:23 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > If > distros move away from the gospel of centralized distribution Some people working on technologies in this area may have that as a goal, but I think it's absolutely crucial to continue to support the "package" model of application d

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-17 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 23:24 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > b) Which WG will take on the task of solving this? We shouldn't end > up with everybody agreeing that this needs to be solved, but no PRD > proposing to solve this. Is it the Base WG or the Env and Stacks WG? > Or is it up to Server and

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-17 Thread Colin Walters
Hi Andrew, On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 15:05 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > There will be a similar problem in the docker images, unless you're > suggesting that everyone use Ubuntu-in-docker-on-Fedora/RHEL. True, but it becomes the responsibility of the container creator, not "Fedora". Anyways, I

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2013-12-17 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 15:27 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > there are > lots of libraries where, for example, .so.6 would be a perfectly fine > replacement for .so.7, but the system doesn't know that. I think the authors of these libraries screwed up. Namely, libudev and libffi were both mista

Re: [Base] Proposal for buildrequires cleanup janitorial initiative

2013-12-20 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, 2013-12-12 at 18:50 +0100, Phil Knirsch wrote: > Hi everyone. > > During last weeks Base WG discussion about package set and self hosting > of Base we came to a point where especially the self hosting of Base > would currently look absurd as we'd require more than 2000 components to > d

Re: [Base] Proposal for buildrequires cleanup janitorial initiative

2013-12-20 Thread Colin Walters
Hi, On Fri, 2013-12-20 at 16:28 -0600, Jon wrote: > To reduce size, complexity, save time. That's quite vague. > What do you mean by "*enforcing*", or how would you imagine that happening? My original email contained a total of 3 sentences, and you didn't reply to the second sentence, which an

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2014-01-13 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, 2014-01-13 at 08:39 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 04:39:12PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > You're preaching to the choir. But if in practice people really don't > > deploy things via the distribution packages, it doesn't matter how > > awesomely secure the distr

Re: Inter-WG coordination: Stable application runtimes

2014-01-14 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, 2014-01-14 at 11:00 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > So instead of the perenial "let's drop rpm and use upstream incomplete > systems" You might note I didn't say that. > I'd like to see the people working in those language communities > work at adding the missing bits to those upstream

Announce: fedostree/rpm-ostree v2014.3

2014-01-20 Thread Colin Walters
Hello devel@, I'm excited to announce the first public release (v2014.3) of the fedostree/rpm-ostree project. The web page is here: http://rpm-ostree.cloud.fedoraproject.org/#/ rpm-ostree is a quite new, raw, and also quite unofficial project (the instance above is in the Fedora private scratch

Re: Announce: fedostree/rpm-ostree v2014.3

2014-01-20 Thread Colin Walters
Hi Dennis, On Tue, 2014-01-21 at 07:40 +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote: > Interesting. I've downloaded the VM Image and tried to understand the > setup. Some bits are documented here https://people.gnome.org/~walters/ostree/doc/layout.html > Apparently there exist sort of two root trees /

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-23 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 00:55 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Last time an issue like that happened (the D-Bus regression that broke > updates), That was my fault. Something which left an impact on me, you can be sure. Like SELinux, DBus impacts everything nearly everything in early userspace. In

Re: Fedora.next in 2014 -- Big Picture and Themes

2014-01-23 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 00:12 +0100, Lars Seipel wrote: > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 05:07:16PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > > Also possibly correct. However, that doesn't preclude the repos as we > > know them today from still existing, with still the same quality. > > Server, desktop or embedded board

Re: Announce: fedostree/rpm-ostree v2014.3

2014-01-24 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, 2014-01-24 at 18:52 +0100, drago01 wrote: > From the website: > > "Although yum is installed, it will operate in read-only mode. Do not > attempt to use it at the moment. See " > > Seems like the part talking about it is somehow missing i.e see what? ;) I updated the text a bit on http:/

Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350

2014-01-25 Thread Colin Walters
On Sat, 2014-01-25 at 10:37 -0800, Josh Stone wrote: > Ok, sure, you can mount -o nosuid,noexec,nodev ... but this isn't the > default for btrfs subvolume paths AFAIK. It needs to be a conscious > decision in whatever snapshot design we choose. This is definitely an issue with the OSTree design,

Re: Snapshotting for rollback after updates was[ Re: Drawing lessons from fatal SELinux bug #1054350]

2014-01-25 Thread Colin Walters
Hi Simo, On Sat, 2014-01-25 at 14:55 -0500, Simo Sorce wrote: > The reason is simple: lot's of software *changes* data as part of its > normal functioning, including and often in rollback-incompatible ways. I wrote and maintain a system that has been doing continuous deployment of GNOME. It's b

Re: Fedora.NEXT Products and the fate of Spins

2014-01-31 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: I would be happy if Fedora moves towards being an OS, Red Hat Enterprise Linux comes in both Server and Workstation variants, among others. To continue to serve a useful role as upstream, I believe Fedora should be able to do *both* of

Re: F24 Self Contained Change: System Python

2016-02-10 Thread Colin Walters
The OpenEmbedded project has been doing this for quite a while: http://cgit.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-devtools/python/python-2.7-manifest.inc -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Proposal: spins-kickstarts workflow changes

2016-02-20 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, Feb 19, 2016, at 02:37 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > * Setup tags for all the various groups that have kickstarts. ie, > 'xfce' 'docker' 'cloud' 'atomic' 'workstation' etc. And get someone > from each of those groups to actually watch the tags or someone to CC > on who will actually loo

Re: F24 broken dependencies

2016-03-22 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Mar 22, 2016, at 08:27 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > I'd also point out that the supported mechanism for upgrading from F23 to F24 > is: That's one of them - there are two. I have extended: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading to also cover rpm-ostree managed systems such as the Fe

Re: TPMs, measured boot and remote attestation in Fedora

2016-04-08 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, Apr 8, 2016, at 05:23 AM, Petr Pisar wrote: > I'm curious how you would predict hash of initramfs because it is > generated on the host and depends on dracut configuration and presence > of various optionally installed packages. That's true for a system managed by yum/dnf, but rpm-ostre

Re: TPMs, measured boot and remote attestation in Fedora

2016-04-08 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, Apr 8, 2016, at 05:36 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: > Remote attestation only works with a trusted counterpart who rejects > access once a breach is detected. Who do you expect to be the > counterpart for Fedora users? Is there anyone who offers such a service > without also requiring to u

Re: [Modularity] Module metadata proposal

2016-04-15 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Apr 14, 2016, at 12:35 PM, Petr Šabata wrote: > Good news, everyone, > > the first draft of the module metadata format is now available > for you to comment on. We've decided to go with YAML so it > should be fairly readable. You can view the latest version here: > > https://pagure.io/f

Re: RFC: Fedora Docker Layered Image Guidelines

2016-04-29 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016, at 06:52 PM, Adam Miller wrote: > Docker Layered Image "packaging" Guidelines [1] This current design means Dockerfiles are always secondary shims. I think the most interesting case is for new services which are Docker/container only at least upstream. Do we e.g. requ

Re: F25 System Wide Change: Use /etc/distro.repos.d as default reposdir

2016-05-18 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, May 18, 2016, at 03:06 PM, Subhendu Ghosh wrote: > Is ostree  remotes in scope? ostree has /etc/ostree/remotes.d today...the only thing I can think of here is that there are certainly use cases for having some common configuration between yum repos and ostree remotes - things like TLS cli

Re: Modifying container storage for Fedora 26.

2016-11-16 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016, at 02:49 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > Today, Fedora Server relies on whatever is the default for > docker-storage-setup. > We just tell Anaconda to reserve up to 15GiB by default for the / partition > and > then it puts all remaining free space (on drives selected to be u

Re: F25 Server cloud image

2016-11-23 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016, at 08:49 AM, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > I just wanted to download F25 Cloud image for OpenStack and was surprised > that there is none. There is just Atomic image. > But Atomic use rpm-ostree for installing packages. There is no DNF. On the host, yes. But the intent is to mov

Re: Dealing with the toolchain detection issue breaking Rawhide (#1401231)

2016-12-06 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016, at 08:26 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > An alternative proposal: add a opt-out/opt-in flag (similar to > _hardened_build) > %global _strict_c_flags 0/1 What I've been doing for years now is to carry a baseline set of "warnings that must be errors" in my projects, l

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-08 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016, at 01:26 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > I would like to see us stop pushing non security updates to updates from > updates-testing entirely and do it in monthly batches instead. we would push > daily security fixes and updates-testing. However this would make atomic > host

Re: Two more concrete ideas for what a once-yearly+update schedule would look like

2016-12-09 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016, at 09:26 PM, Colin Walters wrote: > Anyways, in the big picture, while I don't speak for everyone on the Project > Atomic side, > I personally point users at CentOS first, unless I have some reason to think > they want Fedora. > Something like 80% of

Re: F26 Self Contained Change: Fontconfig cache directory change

2016-12-21 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Dec 21, 2016, at 07:19 AM, Björn Persson wrote: > > The fontconfig cache files are placed onto /var/cache/fontconfig now. > > this seems incompatible with the ostree model. so this is a proposal > > to move it to /usr/lib/fontconfig/cache. > > Is OStree calling for the entire /var/cache

Increasing compatibility with rpm-ostree for host packages

2017-01-23 Thread Colin Walters
Hi, rpm-ostree is the underlying hybrid image/package system for the Fedora Atomic Host edition. The layering functionality however requires some potential changes in your packages. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1415451 is a recent bug that shows one example. You can find more in

Re: Increasing compatibility with rpm-ostree for host packages

2017-01-23 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017, at 02:03 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: > How about you just explain here what it is you want rather than making > everybody go and read some bug? OK, here's a copy of the text: rpm-ostree is a new model for rpm packages on using ostree[0]. In order to implement atomic upgrades w

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Sqlite RpmDB

2020-04-22 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, at 8:35 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > Relying on the target distro management stack sound nice, but is > actually problematic: how do you run the next version before you > install the next version? Sure, you can install stuff to some temporary > location and ru

Re: RFC: Feature macros (aka USE flags)

2020-04-29 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020, at 7:19 AM, Petr Šabata wrote: > Details in the gist: > https://gist.github.com/contyk/0f0585c57976ca18a293b3566408 How about s/use/globalbuildopt/ ? ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send

Re: Is dist-git a good place for work?

2020-05-05 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, May 4, 2020, at 11:05 AM, Tomas Tomecek wrote: > In the packit project, we work in source-git repositories There's really 3 options: - dist-git as it exists today (what we thought made sense in the days of CVS converted into git without much re-engineering) - source-git (used in Debia

Re: Defining the future of the packager workflow in Fedora

2019-10-02 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Oct 2, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Fabio Valentini wrote: > As others in the thread have pointed out, mandatory pull requests just > make no sense for most single-maintainer projects, which most packages > probably are. Well, a lot of this relates to what the *merge policy* is. If a PR submitter

Re: Defining the future of the packager workflow in Fedora

2019-10-02 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Oct 2, 2019, at 3:18 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 2:45 PM Colin Walters wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > > > > As others in the thread have pointed out, mandatory pull request

coreos-assembler v0.6.0

2019-10-11 Thread Colin Walters
As part of creating Fedora CoreOS (and derivatives like Red Hat Enterprise Linux CoreOS), we are making some fairly fundamental changes to how the operating system works - while OSTree isn't new to Fedora, Ignition is - and more broadly than that, using Ignition implies something much more simil

Re: systemd-243-rc1

2019-07-30 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, at 4:13 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > Please note that the cgroup hierarchy default remains as "hybrid". > Upstream has switched the default to "unified", but I reverted this > switch in Fedora. If there are no major issues reported with this > pre-release, the n

Re: Join the new Minimization Team

2019-08-07 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, at 3:52 PM, Daniel Walsh wrote: > If you want small images, just use buildah. Dockerfile-based multi-stage builds are significantly more popular than this and should really be mentioned first. I'm not saying `buildah` is bad, but...what you're talking about here also enc

Re: Join the new Minimization Team

2019-08-07 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Aug 7, 2019, at 11:25 AM, Colin Walters wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, at 3:52 PM, Daniel Walsh wrote: > > If you want small images, just use buildah. > > Dockerfile-based multi-stage builds are significantly more popular than > this and should really be m

Re: Join the new Minimization Team

2019-08-21 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, at 7:34 AM, Daniel Walsh wrote: > I agree.  Entering a container and doing a yum update is an > Anti-pattern. This is a complex discussion - I think we need both. Personally I live inside a "pet" container using https://github.com/cgwalters/coretoolbox and I definitely `y

Re: Fedora Workstation and disabled by default firewall

2019-08-28 Thread Colin Walters
FWIW, For Fedora CoreOS we don't enable a firewall by default; see https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-tracker/issues/26 (Neither for that matter does Fedora Cloud: https://pagure.io/fedora-kickstarts/blob/master/f/fedora-cloud-base.ks#_36 ) ___ de

Re: systemd-sysusers versus containers

2019-09-17 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, at 12:45 PM, Troy Dawson wrote: > systemd-sysusers seeks to unify user creation[1]. It also has the > benefit of being able to create users on bootup. But, it pulls in the > entire systemd infrastructure with all it's dependencies. > > containers do not need systemd to run.

Re: Proposal to use repo files in Anaconda environment

2019-09-20 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019, at 8:00 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > You also have to pre-build your filesystems to have a place to copy > the files into at installation time. If you're going to go to that > much work, why are you bothering with yum? Why not just pre-build and > install a base operati

Re: Defining the future of the packager workflow in Fedora

2019-09-27 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Sep 26, 2019, at 10:24 AM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > I like this. > It means that the build-system would have to generate the tarball of the > source > and put it into dist-git at srpm-build time (I believe we still want to store > a > copy of the sources used for a build). https://gi

Re: Let's talk about Fedora in the '20s!

2020-01-07 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Jan 7, 2020, at 6:41 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: > > I'd love to find a way to directly integrate the likes of gem, npm > etc directly into our packaging rather than us having to repackage > everything by hand but I just don't see any way of doing it without > compromising what we do to the ext

Re: Fedora 32 system-wide change proposal: reduce installation media size by improving the compression ratio of SquashFS filesystem

2020-01-07 Thread Colin Walters
On Sun, Jan 5, 2020, at 12:08 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > I've pretty much concluded Fedora is best off dropping the nested ext4 > in favor of plain squashfs, and using zstd. Fedora CoreOS already uses zstd for squashfs: https://github.com/coreos/coreos-assembler/blob/master/src/cmd-buildextend-

Re: Upgrading libffi

2020-01-08 Thread Colin Walters
Hi, On Mon, Jan 6, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Anthony Green wrote: > > I released a new version of libffi a month or so ago, the first one in 5 > years. There's an ABI change that was unavoidable in order to > accommodate the aarch64 port, and the sonumber was bumped. Anthony, I think all of the work yo

Re: Vague proposal: ship prebuilt initramfs images

2020-01-20 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, at 7:57 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > I've been thinking about ways to solve this for a while, and I'm coming > to the conclusion that the best plan is probably to just ship pre-built > initramfs images. rpm-ostree[1] (used for Fedora CoreOS and Silverblue and IoT among o

Re: Strange covert module builds [sbergmann ?]

2020-03-02 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, at 9:14 AM, Kalev Lember wrote: > For extra libraries that app flatpaks need that are not part of the > runtime, those we rebuild for the /app prefix for each app, using the MBS. I think whenever discussing this, it needs to be stated clearly that the *reason* for using th

Re: Fedora testing-20190116.0 compose check report

2019-01-16 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Jan 16, 2019, at 2:01 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > It seems the Atomic installer images from the nightly 'updates' and > 'updates-testing' composes for F29 started failing as of 20190115.n.0 > and still failed in 20190116.n.0. Failure looks like: > > https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tes

Re: F30 change, bootloaderspec by default

2019-02-14 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Feb 14, 2019, at 6:05 AM, Javier Martinez Canillas wrote: > So our plan is to have a library + command > line tool for configuring everything related to the bootloader. FWIW, "rpm-ostree kargs" is already a CLI and DBus API to change the kernel arguments that we expect people to use on

Re: Downgrading glibc from Rawhide removed /bin/sh (!)

2019-03-08 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: > > > The %transfiletriggerpostun would've probably fixed it if it used -p > > instead of shell. > > We switched to the shell for the benefit of rpm-ostree. Short answer: https://github.com/projectatomic/rpm-ostree/issues/749#issuecomm

Re: Updating Rawhide vs GPG keys

2019-03-12 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, Mar 11, 2019, at 2:46 PM, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > I'm having a similar problem, but with Silverblue / rawhide. > > I installed the system when rawhide was still f30, but now I can't run > "rpm-ostree upgrade" anymore, due to this error: > > Enabled rpm-md repositories: rawhide >

Re: Updating Rawhide vs GPG keys

2019-03-13 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/5UVGSBRLX352A4S2CBZ2CGBXPAGQTYKB/ > > How does this plan work with silverblue? Not sure... could use some > input from them. It's the same model for Fedora

Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?

2019-04-11 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Apr 9, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Heya, > > today I installed the current Fedora 30 Workstation beta on my new > laptop. It was a bumpy ride, I must say (the partitioner (blivet?) > crashed five times or so on me, always kicking me out of anaconda > again, just becaus

Re: Can we maybe reduce the set of packages we install by default a bit?

2019-04-12 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019, at 7:13 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Fr, 12.04.19 11:35, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski > (domi...@greysector.net) wrote: > > > > Interestingly I think Google Chrome needs this when it installs, > > > though it seems nonsensical to me. (Chrome is installed by about 5

Re: Fedora, Packaging, Java, and Shrooms

2019-04-12 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019, at 7:41 AM, Ty Young wrote: > Hi, > > I'm thinking of switching to Fedora 30 Silverblue(once it comes out of > beta anyway) from Arch linux. One of the requirements is to be able to > install, compile from source and easily switch between JDK builds. Bigger picture, as

Re: Understanding Fedora's use of systemd presets and packaging requirements

2019-04-23 Thread Colin Walters
Here's a related discussion for CoreOS-style systems: https://github.com/coreos/fedora-coreos-config/pull/77 It's quite different from traditional since Ignition implies using ConditionFirstBoot which means systemd does a preset-all on firstboot; the PR is about the tension between what RPM is d

Re: Modularity vs. libgit

2019-06-17 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, at 4:47 AM, Michael Schroeder wrote: > On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 12:12:01PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > I would actually really like to see rpm's multiversioning capabilities > > extended to support this. > > I'd actually prefer to drop the multiversion mode for the kernel a

Re: Modularity vs. libgit

2019-06-17 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, at 2:51 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > RPM-OSTree is functionally irrelevant in this discussion, Changing how we handle the kernel is certainly relevant. > since it has > its own behavior patterns and eschews compatibility with the greater > ecosystem anyway. I don't think th

Re: Brainstorming about kernel updates with low disk space

2018-09-06 Thread Colin Walters
FWIW, rpm-ostree fixes all of this today - the entire update is really transactional, and fully handles hitting ENOSPC at any point. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.o

Re: How should the nvme-cli package generate its host "NQN"?

2018-09-28 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, Sep 28, 2018, at 2:42 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > There's a request for the nvme-cli package to generate a unique name > to use when connecting to NVMe-over-fabrics targets: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1633814 > > I'm wondering what the right approach is. For the v

Re: Installation image layout

2018-10-16 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Oct 11, 2018, at 8:37 PM, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote: > Hi all! > > I'm new on this list. I work on Qubes OS, where Fedora is used as a base > distribution. Tangentially: Qubes is very cool and I'm glad you find Fedora useful as a base system. I work on Fedora CoreOS and have patch

rpm-ostree 2018.9 (and rollup of other releases)

2018-11-02 Thread Colin Walters
This is one of a semi-regular rollup/highlights post of what's happening in the rpm-ostree project, used by [Fedora Atomic Host](https://getfedora.org/atomic/) as well as [Fedora Silverblue](https://silverblue.fedoraproject.org/), and planned to be used by the converged [Fedora CoreOS](https://

Re: Fedora Lifecycles: imagine longer-term possibilities

2018-11-15 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Nov 15, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 07:57:54AM -0700, Ken Dreyer wrote: > > One of the problems I've encountered with this approach is that the > > upstream Git repo links to (a lot of) submodules. If you're lucky > > those submodules point at Git r

Re: Fedora Lifecycles: imagine longer-term possibilities

2018-11-15 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Nov 15, 2018, at 12:38 PM, Ken Dreyer wrote: > I am sorry to be such a noob, but I read the words on that page, they > sound exciting, but I am lost. What does "mirror git repositories like > rpmdistro-gitoverlay does" mean? I could use a really clear > step-by-step walkthrough of how I

Re: Proposal: Faster composes by eliminating deltarpms and using zchunked rpms instead

2018-11-21 Thread Colin Walters
On Sat, Nov 17, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Dieter wrote: > Agreed, that this would be a massive format change and should therefore > be a major version bump for RPM. New versions of RPM should still be > able to read and install old-format rpms, but, as you point out, old > versions of RPM won

Re: DNF Sytem Upgrade requirements for an F37 → F38 upgrade

2023-03-30 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Mar 29, 2023, at 6:08 PM, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > I don't really want to throw money out the window just because DNF > eats up all the memory it can :( Everyone needs to internalize: This has nothing to do with DNF, really. It's about the *size of the repository metadata*. Every s

Re: [HEADS UP] util-linux based on new mount API coming to rawhide/f39

2023-04-11 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Mar 21, 2023, at 8:16 AM, Karel Zak wrote: > Hey all, > > > util-linux v2.39-rc1 coming to rawhide, Release Notes: > https://kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/util-linux/v2.39/v2.39-ReleaseNotes > > I usually don't report util-linux Fedora updates, but this one is > special. This new version

Re: Towards enabling rpm sysusers integration

2023-06-30 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Jun 29, 2023, at 3:55 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: >> last time I looked auditd is started later than >> systemd-sysusers. Hence not sure if sysusers would actually generate >> audit messages that auditd could pick them up. > > For the rpm integration, "started later" is irrelevant as the us

Re: F38 proposal: Add Fedora Auto Firstboot Services to desktop variants (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-12-09 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, Dec 9, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Timothée Ravier wrote: > Using layering will also conflict / not interact well with the move to > container based ostree image in F38: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OstreeNativeContainerStable (I'm only kind of following this thread and I agree we

Re: F38 proposal: Shorter Shutdown Timer (System-Wide Change proposal)

2023-01-12 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Dec 22, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Shorter_Shutdown_Timer > > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes > process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive > community feedback. This proposal will only

Re: Improving Fedora boot time when libvirt is installed

2023-01-20 Thread Colin Walters
;s job would be to scan if iscsi volumes are configured. If it >> finds configured ones, it would then issue "systemctl start --no-block >> iscsi.service" to enqueue a start job for the real thing. > > > Something like that was suggested last year, and Colin Walters object

Re: OpenSSH: hardening hostkeys permissions

2023-03-02 Thread Colin Walters
On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, at 9:51 AM, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > I think the "Upgrade/compatibility impact" section ought to call out the > possible risk with config mgmt tools like puppet/ansible, that might be > managing SSH host keys and their permissions/ownership So that was done with: > The

Re: Adding Passim as a Fedora 40 feature?

2023-08-25 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, Aug 25, 2023, at 7:42 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > Hi all, > > I was thinking of adding Passim as a default-installed and > default-enabled dep of fwupd in the Fedora 40 release. Before I create > lots of unnecessary drama, is there any early feedback on what's > described in https://githu

Re: An update on RHEL moving to issues.redhat.com

2023-09-14 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Sep 13, 2023, at 1:44 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 09:20:09AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >> IIRC it was a condition of that proposal that we wind up on a hosted >> version of the *open source* release of gitlab, which is something we >> managed to talk gitlab int

Re: An update on RHEL moving to issues.redhat.com

2023-09-15 Thread Colin Walters
One thing I find amusing about this list (which like some others is kind of a long-running soap opera that happens to sometimes produce software as a side effect) is that many times, I can see just two bits of information: - The subject of the email - The name of the person responding And I bas

Re: An update on RHEL moving to issues.redhat.com

2023-09-15 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, Sep 15, 2023, at 4:12 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 1:28 PM Colin Walters wrote: >> >> >> My point is only partly about the HTML, but about the ecosystem surrounding >> it (CI is a really big one) but really the total user experience

Re: An update on RHEL moving to issues.redhat.com

2023-09-18 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, Sep 18, 2023, at 3:57 AM, Petr Pisar wrote: > V Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 01:27:23PM -0400, Colin Walters napsal(a): >> To state the blindingly obvious thing, RHEL made a decision to centralize on >> Gitlab. Having Fedora be on pagure creates IMO unnecessary friction for me

Re: goal: booting with an empty /etc

2023-12-11 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, at 12:31 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > We're currently not allowed to use /usr/etc (not that I like that path > anyway) because it breaks RPM-OSTree. My understanding is that this > directory is reserved by RPM-OSTree for storing pristine copies of > /etc content for each OSTre

Re: EncourageI686LeafRemoval Change: Please make sure it's actually a leaf package

2024-01-15 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, Jan 15, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Fabio Valentini wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been made aware that there has been a cascade of packages that > dropped i686 support in Rawhide, most of them referencing my > EncourageI686LeafRemoval Change Proposal, but none of which *actually > are* leaf packages: >

Re: EncourageI686LeafRemoval Change: Please make sure it's actually a leaf package

2024-01-15 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, Jan 15, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Fabio Valentini wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been made aware that there has been a cascade of packages that > dropped i686 support in Rawhide, most of them referencing my > EncourageI686LeafRemoval Change Proposal, but none of which *actually > are* leaf packages: >

Re: Heads-up / for discussion: dnf not working with 1G of RAM or less

2022-08-29 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, at 3:52 AM, Brian (bex) Exelbierd wrote: > I use Fedora IoT on GCPs free tier offering and it is fine. I a, > assuming `rpm-ostree install` doesn’t have this issue. It does have the issue. rpm-ostree links to libdnf which is doing all the same things. As I commented in

Re: Help packaging a "C" library written in Rust

2022-09-07 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Sep 7, 2022, at 5:35 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > It was pointed out on the bug that librsvg2 is in a similar situation. > The answer there was to bundle ("vendor") all the Rust dependencies > into the tarball. The command "cargo vendor" does this. > > For librsvg2 that's 278MB of de

status update on "ostree native containers"

2022-09-27 Thread Colin Walters
We shipped https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OstreeNativeContainer in Fedora 36 and a lot has happened since then. One of the biggest things is that rpm-ostree now knows how to intelligently generate reproducible "chunked" container images. I'll describe this by also highlighting another

Re: status update on "ostree native containers"

2022-09-28 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Sep 28, 2022, at 9:47 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > FYI, the command in that page doesn't appear to be working because > "latest" is the default tag if you don't specify one for docker and it > doesn't exist, so you have to append ":stable" or something like that. https://github.com/cor

Re: status update on "ostree native containers"

2022-09-28 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Sep 27, 2022, at 6:08 PM, Colin Walters wrote: > We shipped https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OstreeNativeContainer > in Fedora 36 and a lot has happened since then. Also, I should mention that we're planning to use this in OpenShift, see https://github.com/openshift/e

Re: Handle sysroot.readyonly=true migration in other rpm-ostree Fedora(s)

2022-10-11 Thread Colin Walters
On Mon, Oct 10, 2022, at 7:41 AM, Antonio Murdaca wrote: > Hi folks, in rpm-ostree based systems like fedora iot I would love to > handle the migration process similar to what happens today in > silverblue et all wrt sysroot.readonly > https://pagure.io/workstation-ostree-config/blob/main/f/po

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