ing to cooperate with the rest of us in the Fedora project,
then you'll need to handle UTF-8 in spec files. Sooner or later you'll
encounter some non-ASCII characters. You may need to tell Emacs to read
and write spec files as UTF-8, or you may need to fix your locale. Run
&
eve the ideal of reproducible
builds?
Yes I can find some of the answers elsewhere. I shouldn't need to go
searching for answers. They should be available in the change proposal.
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d any that hadn't.
If they fail to do that correctly, will their package become
uninstallable due to unsatisfiable dependencies, or will it just get
normal unversioned dependencies on those libraries that don't provide a
version number?
That should also be explained in the chan
has found the filename it gets the
version number from, it would be easy to run
rpm --query --provides --file | grep --quiet ^$
except that people keep saying that package builds shouldn't invoke RPM
for some reason. Is there a way to do the above without actually
invoking RPM?
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Zdenek Dohnal wrote:
> On 1/16/23 12:31, Björn Persson wrote:
> > Robert Marcano via devel wrote:
> >> The admin can implement CUPS
> >> authentication but an ipp://localhost:6 open port entirely open to
> >> anyone on the local machine to submi
when Artur uses Hyperkitty to reply to Kenneth, Hyperkitty
seems to think the line break is part of the message ID, which results
in that invalid syntax.
That's just one example of how difficult it is to write a correct email
parser. It's even a rather simple case compared to
We have been implementing labels in the Fedora License Data repo to help
> indicate what is needed next.
Nothing notifies me about changes to labels, so they don't work as
reminders that there's more work to do, but they have some value as
confirmation that the next step in the procedure is w
ible to set a security
flag on the update after the fact, but nobody will bother with that.
I would therefore advise against using --security. If one can't install
all the updates continuously, then one should use a more stable
distribution than Fedora.
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lank line has no special meaning. A section continues until the next
section begins.
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What will packagers see?
Will builds be queued, and get processed when the lock is released?
Will build attempts be rejected with a clear explanation? "You can't
build while we're branching. Please try again later."
Or will packagers start asking why they get an incomp
other metrics from the same system. All the metrics are now linked to
Workstation, and the hypothetical separate set of metrics are linked to
Plasma.
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looked in the Koji web interface those builds were shown as completed.
Apparently notifications aren't always sent, or some get lost somewhere
along the way. Notifications are much less useful if they are
unreliable.
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r-neutral,
and they believe that means they must buy incompatible proprietary
services from all the vendors, instead of defining a standard that any
vendor can implement. Everyone who isn't required to be vendor-neutral
accepts only BankID and contributes to strengthening the Apple/Go
Arthur Bols via devel wrote:
> I often run dev servers that I assume
> are secure due to the default firewall settings
This practice of blindly assuming that somebody else is protecting you
from your own negligence is a common source of security breaches.
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arm -y /dev/sda
/dev/sda:
issuing standby command
# hdparm -C /dev/sda
/dev/sda:
drive state is: standby
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. It's better to be able to verify the
key, but TOFU can at least build trust over time if the key is stable.
What you absolutely *MUST NOT* do is repeat the above process for every
release and replace the keyring. That way you'd just overwrite the real
key with the attacker's key
ckager happens to know the author's phone number and
recognize their voice. But with most other ways a fingerprint can be
communicated, one can just as easily send the whole key, and then the
keyserver wasn't needed after all.
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n is wrong, then the change proposal needs to be amended.
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3. :)
I need some way to distinguish between the Gnome that once was and the
very different thing that took over the name "Gnome".
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inking, and you intend to call that "consent". It's a popular tactic
to make people "agree" to things without knowing it.
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Looking at the screenshot, I wonder what percentage of users will read
"Privacy", see that all the switches are on, and click "Next" in the
belief that all the privacy features are on.
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Bob Mauchin wrote:
> I'm currently assessing what is needed by our binaries packages and will
> take packages needed that have been orphaned.
Thank you! I was getting really worried that Restic would drop out and
I'd have to design a new backup solution yet again
would probably
have been less than four years before I found out about those
vulnerabilities.
If the firmware files are properly authenticated, then I think
notifications about firmware updates should be enabled on all
installations.
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longer receive security updates?
Notifying the user only if they're a member of the wheel group seems
like a reasonable default.
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t deal
reasonably with any and all attacks.
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ject malware into Fedora through your
packages. It is your duty to take security seriously as long as you
have commit privileges to any Fedora packages.
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build (such as packages depending on Ada which like every year bumped
> sonames of its shared libraries), please do so soon.
Thanks for the side-tag. Most of the Ada packages – those that I have
access to – are now rebuilt if I did everything right. The rebuild went
smoothly this time.
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ght have been reverted
manually in the meantime. The mass-revert script would need to verify
that it reverts only commits done by the defective mass-rebuild script.
If that's nontrivial to get right, then it seems to me that there is
value in a hook that validates changes made by a script.
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better user experience than
X. For *their* usecases, not only for yours.
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he protection,
rendering the enclaves useless.
The solution is to consider security before you rent other people's
computers, and keep secrets and sensitive data on your own hardware.
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would be nice to have consistent terminology, but hey, we can always
click on everything and explore.
The gear icon is also misleading. It alludes to machinery in motion, so
it suggests a menu of commands to do things, rather than options or
settings. There is a wrench icon that would be
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> I think it
> is important to remember that the page is _supposed_ to be "dense".
> It is intended to pack a lot of information into a small area
It leaves plenty of empty space on my screen. It seems to prioritize
aesthetics over informat
this sucks" and more "here's how I'd fix it,
> though"!
Quoting myself, here's how I'd fix it:
Björn Persson wrote:
> Rather than hiding the intelligible words in mouseover boxes, it would
> be better to write them directly on the screen instead of the
Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Considering that we have been shipping these hardware codec interfaces for
> years without any legal trouble, I find this absolutely ridiculous.
The entire codec patent business is absolutely ridiculous. Such is the
reality we must live in.
Björn P
e no need to limit its length.
Can't you find some actual problem to be angry over?
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by running systemd-sysusers in a suitable scriptlet between the
two packages?
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e tarball was already malicious when the upstream developer signed it.
With Git I don't know how we could avoid unpacking the repository
archive before we verify the signed tag.
As to why the builders lack Internet access, I wasn't around when that
was decided but it helps ensure t
an making the message slightly larger. I
can't believe that Git wouldn't be 8-bit-clean.
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Pavel Zhukov wrote:
> I see you have received review of the MR . Emails have been answered by
> Bjorn too.
If you don't have time to maintain Aunit, then please give me or Dennis
access to the package so we can take care of it.
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their secret
OpenPGP key, their Github account, and probably all of their other
credentials.
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the Git repository or the Github-generated tarballs.
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those Gnome 3 programs that refuse to obey the theme.
(And Firefox which just has to be different, but that has nothing to do
with desktops or widget libraries as far as I can see.)
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problematic. I'll just state my strong opinion that packages that
aren't meant for software development should not have "-devel" in their
names.
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package does that:
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/nginx/blob/8b7ceb13dd13cd18b9603872b2b5611be2d60029/f/nginx.spec#_253
This pull request would improve gpgverify to accept multiple key files,
so you wouldn't need to concatenate them:
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/redhat-rpm-config/p
nges appear in the package. I think removing that ability
would be an improvement, but that's how it currently is.
Any changes made by %check outside of %{buildroot} should not affect the
binary package though.
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recent weeks. I got Gateway Timeout a few minutes ago when logging in to
src.fedoraproject.org. I tried again and then it worked. Other times
I've gotten errors when logging in, but when I tried again I was logged
in without submitting the login form a second time.
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https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/11962#comment-914072
In one case proxy36.fedoraproject.org is mentioned.
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be trusted any more than an unsigned domain.
To be able to distinguish between cases 2 and 3, the resolver must
remain able to verify SHA-1 signatures.
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containers are, who knows when some
program I use will switch to being distributed only as a container, and
thus become unusable on the -v1 box?
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Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Björn Persson said:
> > If this will affect containers, then I'm starting to worry that I might
> > be affected. I thought I'd be fine as the computers I run virtual
> > machines on are x86-64-v2 and -v3, but another computer t
to
review. It will get done eventually. You'd just make it necessary to
rebase a bunch of commits yet again.
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it easiest to switch to Debian or some
other distribution. There are probably rather few people with a great
need to run Fedora and nothing else on their not-quite-high-end
computers.
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"Tomasz Torcz" wrote:
> December 4, 2017 11:21 PM, "Björn Persson" wrote:
> > Is your package meant to be parallel-installable with the parallel
> > package? If so, what is the program called, since /usr/bin/parallel is
> > taken? Or is it meant to c
t out of, or are these so-called studies only inflicted on speakers
of certain languages? Or did the option get turned on automatically now that I
started Firefox in the C locale, and remains enabled henceforth unless I
explicitly disable it?
Björn Perss
fox by default shares"
does not match my understanding of what the word "ask" means.
And if I actually notice the tab and read the page, I don't see anything about
silently installing additional software.
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oing to go back into the bottle. But perhaps you meant "download and
run without even trying to sandbox it"?
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make Javascript optional there's no chance of that happening at this point).
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That's the problem with attempts to make programs "smart" by making
assumptions: Sometimes the assumptions will be wrong.
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necessary to implement this in every desktop separately, or would a
window-manager-agnostic solution be possible?
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ap, so it's packaged in RPM Fusion
instead. Anyone who wants to package Ring will have to do it in RPM Fusion (or
another add-on repository), unless Ring can function without FFMPEG.
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know about RPM macros, so presence of an RPM macro in the release notes
would indicate that the packager has misunderstood what release notes
should contain.
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ly detect which
programming languages are present in each -devel subpackage, and add
dependencies accordingly?
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sn't possible, then you must remove "BuildArch: noarch" from
firefox-pkcs11-loader.spec, allowing the package to differ between
architectures, and use _libdir where applicable.
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ivacy and security have been around for years, so it would be easy to
get the impression that yours is another of those.
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citly say how they may be
combined? Are we supposed to write "GPL-3.0-or-later AND
GPL-2.0-or-later AND LGPL-3.0-or-later AND GPL-3.0-only" or do those
still combine into GPL-3.0-only?
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I see only two.
> I'm not sure how many users of ntp are there. As a replacement, we
> could package ntpsec.
Judging only from their own website, it seems that switching to NTPsec
would be a great improvement.
I'll have to investigate whether I can migrate all my usec
ese issues.
Of course, the real solution would be decent code quality upstream, so
that security fixes would be rare, not come in heaps.
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reviewer, it's probably best to close the older one as
duplicate.
Next time you write to the list, don't reply to a random unrelated
message. Use the reply button only when you're actually replying to
something.
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hould at worst refuse to run.
If it does anything worse than that, then I think that's a serious
defect that needs to be fixed.
> == User Experience ==
> For most users of `ntp` the experience is not expected to change
> significantly.
Or rather: For most users their only experience w
one of my packages is unbuildable (and it's not just
because its dependencies haven't been rebuilt yet), notify me and I'll
look into it. For that purpose a bug report in Bugzilla is appropriate.
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> On 12/8/20 10:26 AM, Björn Persson wrote:
> > This time I got eight separate Bugzilla issues, which all essentially
> > just served as notification that GCC has been upgraded, and each one
> > needs to be closed manually. That's manageable as lon
kens are better where
security requirements are higher, like in two-factor authentication.
Requiring biometrics is effectively the same as prohibiting stronger
authentication methods, which is a stupid thing to do.
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interpretation is that they want you to choose a source of
randomness by defining one of those macros, so can you get the build
system to pass -DXML_DEV_URANDOM to g++?
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og.
> Side question: Is it really useful to put "Rebuilt for
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_XX_Mass_Rebuild"; into changelogs?
I don't see any use for those entries. There is already a build
timestamp in the package metadata.
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way, one or more of the current
parts of the Version and Release fields should be updated. For a
rebuild, when the source code hasn't changed, the spec wouldn't need to
change either, and only the buildtag would set the rebuilt package
apart from the previous one.
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st}%{?buildtag}"
>
> Can I ask why this wouldn't be:
>
> Release: 1%{?buildtag}%{?dist}
>
> ?
Putting the buildtag after the disttag makes it possible to change how
the buildtag is generated in a future Fedora release without breaking
upgrade paths.
B
p field always present, with the
value 0 when not in use. Yet another option is to put the minorbump
after the buildtag. I'd say this is technically manageable, but there
is some risk that packagers would do minorbumps wrong by mistake.
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program updates, and so on and so forth? And then manually check a
bunch of individual upstream websites for updates to programs that
aren't in those language-specific repositories either? No way! I run
"yum update" and get *all* the updates for my system.
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; Sounds like a good change, which should be made for DNS as well.
So where is a global pool of volunteer-provided DNS resolvers similar
to pool.ntp.org? I've never heard of one, and I suspect it's not
advisable to do that with DNS.
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ng list?
Kevin's wording is perfect. It just needs to be visible in the web
interface, with the words "Beta freeze" as a link.
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des that it has been upgraded, and automatically converts the
files to the new format. Then you reboot into another OS with an older
version of the program, which doesn't understand the new format.
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lly qualified domain name. Now people are
saying in this thread that systemd-resolved treats both as local names
and doesn't even try to look them up in DNS. So does systemd-resolved
comply with this standard or not?
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I don't mind "losing" LLMNR,
MDNS and synthetic records, which never existed in DNS to begin with.
It would however be good to have the split DNS feature, and I see no
reason why that wouldn't work with DNSsec. Of course, whether a DO query
gets a useful response
Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mo, 28.09.20 22:54, Björn Persson (Bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote:
>
> > It can work in company-scope if the company has competent network
> > admins. My local DNS server at home resolves local hostnames to private
> > IPv4 addresses in the 192.
Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 7:48 AM Björn Persson wrote:
> >
> > Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > On Mo, 28.09.20 22:54, Björn Persson (Bjorn@rombobjörn.se) wrote:
> > >
> > > > It can work in company-scope if the company has c
d.service
> # mv /etc/resolv.conf.orig-with-nm /etc/resolv.conf
> # systemctl restart NetworkManager.service
So there's no need to revert any changes to /etc/nsswitch.conf? I've
seen some discussion about that file in relation to systemd-resolved.
It seemed far from easy to understand ho
e a pull-request",
it would be better if it said "You can create a pull-request here:".
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Sérgio Basto wrote:
> On Sun, 2020-10-04 at 21:39 +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> > Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2020-10-04 at 12:31 +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> > > > On 04.10.2020 12:04, Barry Scott wrote:
> > > > > Why is a
ould have chosen to "deal with" the problem then, if they cared about
DNSsec. You Michael replied to Florian and called DNSsec-aware clients
"a quite specialized use-case", so you can't claim that you were unaware
of the issue. "It's too late" rings holl
nctions,
and with consideration for forward and backward compatibility. Providing
an unversioned "python" serves only to lure incautious programmers into
using it where they should use a versioned name.
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$ rpm -q --file /usr/bin/python*
python-2.6.6-66.el6_8.x86_64
python-2.6.6-66.el6_8.x86_64
python-2.6.6-66.el6_8.x86_64
Unless this is different in RHEL than in CentOS I don't see
how /usr/bin/python2 could be missing if /us
ot;python" and it works because
> thats what upstream decided?
If they don't care about the details of versions, then their code can't
be expected to work on other versions than the one they have on their
workstation, and their shebang line should be versioned to reflect this.
subpackage. I've already taken care of python-sphinxcontrib-
adadomain, but I see some packages with Arabic translations that will
have to be fixed up by hand unless the script becomes smarter.
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ly. The existence of LibIDN2 indicates that Simon
Josefsson is a rare responsible programmer who wants application authors
to be able to rely on his libraries. I ask the breakage-loving majority
to please respect his decision, and not force their own preferences on
his work.
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ot;, where "xx" is the language code. Here's a spec
you can use as an example:
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-sphinxcontrib-adadomain/raw/master/f/python-sphinxcontrib-adadomain.spec
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Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Björn Persson wrote:
> > IDNA2008 isn't fully compatible with IDNA2003, and therefore the
> > switch should be done only after application authors have assessed
> > the impact on their particular application. Parallel-installable
> > libraries
' proposal, please make it
work together with translations in the spec, not replace them.
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ad, then I guess it makes sense to have "rust" in
the package name.
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