Re: F42 Change Proposal: Deprecate Zezere Provisioning Server (IoT) (self-contained)

Hi, Aoife Moloney via devel-announce writes: > Wiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Deprecate_Zezere > Discussion thread - > *snip* > == Early Testing (Optional) == > > > == How To Test == > To test, users will need to provision a new Fedora IoT system after > the change is made to enab

Re: nothing provides group(uuidd) needed by uuidd-2.40.4-1.fc42.x86_64

V Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 09:07:49PM +0100, Miro Hrončok napsal(a): > I just wasn't sure if the user/group Provides aren't "magical" in some sort > -- e.g. dnf on F42+ treating them specially by creating the user/group, DNF does not create any users or groups. -- Petr signature.asc Description: PG

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Deprecate Zezere Provisioning Server (IoT) (self-contained)

On Wed, Jan 15, 2025, at 22:41, Aoife Moloney via devel-announce wrote: > == Upgrade/compatibility impact == > None. What about the deployments that were zezere based? Will it be possible to enroll new systems with systemd-firstboot in the same way that it was possible with zezere? Will people h

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Deprecate Zezere Provisioning Server (IoT) (self-contained)

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 10:49:41AM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 at 10:44, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 10:41:15PM +, Aoife Moloney via devel-announce > > wrote: > > > Wiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Deprecate_Zezere > >

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Promote KDE Plasma Desktop variant to Edition (self-contained)

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 5:39 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > == User Experience == > > The main change will be the Fedora website showing the KDE Plasma > > Desktop Edition alongside Workstation and others. > > Sounds reasonable. > > BTW, looking at that page, shouldn't "container opti

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Switch to EROFS for Live Media (self-contained)

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 3:28 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 15/01/2025 23:53, Aoife Moloney via devel-announce wrote: > > There should be no visible impact to users. Live installations > > continue to work as expected, and live environments may be slightly > > faster. > > Is it true tha

Re: List of long term FTBFS packages to be retired in 2 weeks

On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 01:47:56PM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: > jaero vascom I fixed this one which just needed an updated library name. Zbyszek -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send a

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Deprecate Zezere Provisioning Server (IoT) (self-contained)

On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 10:41:15PM +, Aoife Moloney via devel-announce wrote: > Wiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Deprecate_Zezere > Discussion thread - > > This is a proposed Change for Fedora Linux. > This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes > process,

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Promote KDE Plasma Desktop variant to Edition (self-contained)

> == User Experience == > The main change will be the Fedora website showing the KDE Plasma > Desktop Edition alongside Workstation and others. Sounds reasonable. BTW, looking at that page, shouldn't "container optimized OS" be "container-optimized OS"? On the page it's show an "containeroptimize

Re: Fedora Mass Rebuild 42 has started

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 02:26:12PM +0530, Samyak Jain wrote: > Failures can be seen > On the failed builds, I see "BuildError: error building package (arch i686), mock exited with status 1; see build.log or root.log for more info

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Deprecate Zezere Provisioning Server (IoT) (self-contained)

On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 at 10:44, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 10:41:15PM +, Aoife Moloney via devel-announce > wrote: > > Wiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Deprecate_Zezere > > Discussion thread - > > > > This is a proposed Change for Fedora Linux. > >

Fedora Mass Rebuild 42 has started

Hi all, Per the Fedora Linux f42 schedule [1] we have started a mass rebuild on 2025-01-16 for Fedora f42. We are running this mass rebuild for the changes listed in: https://pagure.io/releng/issues?status=Open&tags=mass+rebuild The discussions for mass rebuild is happening at releng issue tracke

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Deprecate Zezere Provisioning Server (IoT) (self-contained)

On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 at 11:05, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 10:49:41AM +, Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 at 10:44, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek < > zbys...@in.waw.pl> > > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 10:41:15PM +, Aoife Moloney via

Re: nothing provides group(uuidd) needed by uuidd-2.40.4-1.fc42.x86_64

On 16. 01. 25 9:47, Petr Pisar wrote: V Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 09:07:49PM +0100, Miro Hrončok napsal(a): I just wasn't sure if the user/group Provides aren't "magical" in some sort -- e.g. dnf on F42+ treating them specially by creating the user/group, DNF does not create any users or groups. T

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Switch to EROFS for Live Media (self-contained)

Dne 15. 01. 25 v 23:53 Aoife Moloney via devel-announce napsal(a): == Benefit to Fedora == EROFS is considerably more actively developed than SquashFS, and offers more modern file system features that can be utilized in the future. This is pretty brief (especially the "modern file system feat

Re: GCC 15 for Fedora 42 in a side-tag

On 2025-01-15 20:46, Fabio Valentini wrote: TBH we haven't had enough time since upstream gcc stage 1 close to finish going through all the failures[1].  If only we had a week or two more for the mass rebuild; it got delayed by a couple of weeks last year and a similar delay w

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Switch to EROFS for Live Media (self-contained)

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 8:21 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > Dne 15. 01. 25 v 23:53 Aoife Moloney via devel-announce napsal(a): > > == Benefit to Fedora == > > EROFS is considerably more actively developed than SquashFS, and > > offers more modern file system features that can be utilized in the > > f

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Switch to EROFS for Live Media (self-contained)

On 15/01/2025 23:53, Aoife Moloney via devel-announce wrote: There should be no visible impact to users. Live installations continue to work as expected, and live environments may be slightly faster. Is it true that new ISO images will take up 2x more disk space due to weak compression? -- S

Re: tree-sitter build broke Emacs

On Wednesday, 15 January 2025 22:31:22 CET Jerry James wrote: > On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 2:34 AM Andreas Schneider wrote: > > On Wednesday, 15 January 2025 01:06:19 CET Jerry James wrote: > > > Emacs is uninstallable in Rawhide due to a tree-sitter soname bump. > > > Are the tree-sitter maintainers

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20250116.n.0 changes

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Re: F42 Change Proposal: Deprecate Zezere Provisioning Server (IoT) (self-contained)

Dne 15. 01. 25 v 23:41 Aoife Moloney via devel-announce napsal(a): Wiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Deprecate_Zezere Discussion thread - This is a proposed Change for Fedora Linux. This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly an

Re: Fedora Mass Rebuild 42 has started

Dne 16. 01. 25 v 11:48 dop. Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek napsal(a): IIRC, the "build.log or root.log" cop-out message was added because mock (?) stopped returning the correct error message at some point, so koji was changed to give a generic explanation. But that initial problem was fixed a long t

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Switch to EROFS for Live Media (self-contained)

Dne 16. 01. 25 v 14:25 Neal Gompa napsal(a): On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 8:21 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 15. 01. 25 v 23:53 Aoife Moloney via devel-announce napsal(a): == Benefit to Fedora == EROFS is considerably more actively developed than SquashFS, and offers more modern file system features

Re: Fedora Mass Rebuild 42 has started

On Thu, 2025-01-16 at 10:48 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 02:26:12PM +0530, Samyak Jain wrote: > > Failures can be seen > > > > On the failed builds, I see > "BuildError: error building packag

Re: GCC 15 for Fedora 42 in a side-tag

On 2025-01-16 07:22, Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote: On 2025-01-15 20:46, Fabio Valentini wrote:     TBH we haven't had enough time since upstream gcc stage 1 close to     finish going through all the failures[1].  If only we had a week or two     more for the mass rebuild; it got delayed by a coupl

Re: rpmlint+readelf corrupted interpreter on generated binaries

Now I recall, it was happening in Zulu CI for my package, and all I could do was to ignore it as known issue while waiting for the rpmlint update. No workaround. On 1/15/25 8:33 AM, Carlos Rodriguez-Fernandez wrote: Thank you Miro, I was certain that I had sent a fix for that to rpmlint. The

Re: List of long term FTBFS packages to be retired in 2 weeks

Hau idatzi du Miro Hrončok (mhron...@redhat.com) erabiltzaileak (2025 urt. 15(a), az. (13:48)): > golang-github-prometheus @go-sig, fuller, mikelo2 https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/golang-github-prometheus/pull-request/2 I would merge it after https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3330 discus

Re: Retiring python-nose from Fedora 43+

On 06. 01. 25 12:45, Miro Hrončok wrote: Hello, I propose we retire python-nose from Fedora 43+ immediately after branching. The package has been deprecated for 5 years:   https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateNose It does not build with Python 3.14:   https://bugzilla.redhat.com

Re: Retiring python-nose from Fedora 43+

On 16. 01. 25 13:29, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 06. 01. 25 12:45, Miro Hrončok wrote: Hello, I propose we retire python-nose from Fedora 43+ immediately after branching. The package has been deprecated for 5 years:    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateNose It does not build with Py

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Switch to EROFS for Live Media (self-contained)

Gao Xiang wrote: > > By doing this they deliberately reduce the compression and speed of > > Squashfs in their tests. This IMHO is biased and unethical. But that is > > how it is. > > Also if I were a random filesystem author, I will never argue just due to > > lack of development resource.

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Switch to EROFS for Live Media (self-contained)

Neal Gompa wrote: > > Thank you, I appreciate whatever you can do to make things better for > our use-cases. :) Well it is obvious where your bias lies. -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Switch to EROFS for Live Media (self-contained)

On 2025/1/17 14:26, Phillip Lougher wrote: Gao Xiang wrote: By doing this they deliberately reduce the compression and speed of Squashfs in their tests. This IMHO is biased and unethical. But that is how it is. Also if I were a random filesystem author, I will never argue just due to lack

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20250117.n.0 changes

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Re: F42 Change Proposal: Deprecate Zezere Provisioning Server (IoT) (self-contained)

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 4:50 PM Vít Ondruch wrote: > > Could you please elaborate what you mean by "deprecating"? My > understanding is that you mark it deprecated following this guideline: > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/deprecating-packages/#_marking_a_package_depre

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Switch to EROFS for Live Media (self-contained)

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 8:00 PM Gao Xiang wrote: > > (resend this due to lack of subscription. and I just quote some reply to > express my basic ideas on this stuff) > > > There's one thing the EROFS developers never talk about, and that's > > metadata compression. EROFS doesn't do it, but Squa

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Switch to EROFS for Live Media (self-contained)

On 2025/1/17 09:14, Neal Gompa wrote: On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 8:00 PM Gao Xiang wrote: (resend this due to lack of subscription. and I just quote some reply to express my basic ideas on this stuff) There's one thing the EROFS developers never talk about, and that's metadata compression.

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Switch to EROFS for Live Media (self-contained)

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 8:28 PM Gao Xiang wrote: > > > > On 2025/1/17 09:14, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 8:00 PM Gao Xiang > > wrote: > >> > >> (resend this due to lack of subscription. and I just quote some reply to > >> express my basic ideas on this stuff) > >> > >>> There'

Re: forwarding aliases (was: Non-responsive maintainer sham1)

On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 07:03:23PM +0100, Björn Persson wrote: > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 04:15:11PM +0100, Cristian Le via devel wrote: > > > On 1/15/25 2:33 PM, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > > > > > > No, AFAIK the @fedoraproject.org email alias should work for > > > > all u

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Switch to EROFS for Live Media (self-contained)

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 4:13 PM Phillip Lougher wrote: > > Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > It's mostly that it behaves more like a real filesystem. It uses > > extents, supports inline compression, DAX, and other features that you > > expect from advanced filesystems. > > That's just word salad. Squash

Re: forwarding aliases (was: Non-responsive maintainer sham1)

Note: we are talking about @fedoraproject.org aliases here. mailing lists already mitigate this as you note. On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 10:11:22PM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > NB, the "From" rewriting with "via devel" is generally only needed > if someone's domain has configured SPF and DMAR

Re: forwarding aliases

On 16/01/2025 22:11, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: NB, the "From" rewriting with "via devel" is generally only needed if someone's domain has configured SPF and DMARC, but has *not* also configured DKIM. DMARC checks pass if either SPF or DKIM checks pass. So as long as Fedora's forwarding logic *k

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Switch to EROFS for Live Media (self-contained)

(resend this due to lack of subscription. and I just quote some reply to express my basic ideas on this stuff) There's one thing the EROFS developers never talk about, and that's metadata compression. EROFS doesn't do it, but Squashfs does, and it has done since 2002. Did you notice that h

Re: forwarding aliases (was: Non-responsive maintainer sham1)

On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 07:03:23PM +0100, Björn Persson wrote: > > If it's only SPF, then it should be enough to use the forwarding > server's own domain in the SMTP session, like list servers always do. > SPF asks the receiving server to validate the hostname given in > HELO/EHLO and the return a

Re: rpmlint+readelf corrupted interpreter on generated binaries

Hi! (Added nickc to the CC, see below) On Wed, Jan 15, 2025 at 01:52:24PM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 15. 01. 25 10:18, Robin Jarry wrote: > >I found out that rpmlint errors out without producing any meaningful result > >when the analyzed RPMs contain binaries: > > > > sh-5.2# strace -f -e tr

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Switch to EROFS for Live Media (self-contained)

Neal Gompa wrote: > > It's mostly that it behaves more like a real filesystem. It uses > extents, supports inline compression, DAX, and other features that you > expect from advanced filesystems. That's just word salad. Squashfs is a real filesystem, with real filesystems techniques: inodes, ex