On Wednesday, 3 April 2024 01:34:00 CEST Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 2024-03-30 11:52, Dmitry Belyavskiy wrote:
> > We have an upstream-adjusted version of this patch, see
> > https://bugzilla.mindrot.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2641
> > I'm OK to bring the updated version of this script to Fedora as soon
>
Hey folks,
As many of you might know, we are currently running the Fedora 40
CoreOS Test Week.[0]
We would like to have anyone with Alibaba account to run this test
case[1] and report [2] under
Alibaba column.
Should you have any questions, please let us know via email or
https://matrix.to/#/#tes
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 at 03:24, Kevin Kofler via devel <
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > Why not the opposite:
> >
> > Download Workstation
> >
> > [I'm a linux user and know what I want, just show me the full list of
> > downloads, click here]?
>
> Because that still l
Hi,
> On 2. Apr 2024, at 16:31, Luca Boccassi wrote:
>
> The fact that such packages are physically present is not enough - they need
> to implement all the needed features, and they need to be mature enough to
> just work out of the box. Neither of these are true today, and providers just
>
El mié., 3 abr. 2024 3:22, Adam Williamson
escribió:
> On Tue, 2024-04-02 at 21:15 -0400, Steve Cossette wrote:
> > I get your point, Kevin. I would argue though that, if a user is looking
> to
> > use Linux, they probably got a decent idea as to what DE they want to
> use.
> > There are SO M
> Am 02.04.2024 um 22:06 schrieb Steve Cossette :
>
> ... The overall spirit of the CP is that we think KDE, and to some extent the
> other spins too, need a bit more visibility on the website. …
> ...
> We've been discussing it in Matrix, and we can't seem to reach a consensus as
> to what is
> Am 03.04.2024 um 03:18 schrieb Adam Williamson :
>
>
> I mean, we really don't need to speculate about this much. We did an
> entire overhaul of the project - Fedora.next - which was explicitly
> based around making it much more focused and less of a choose-your-own-
> adventure, …
And let'
> Am 03.04.2024 um 03:51 schrieb Kevin Kofler via devel
> :
>
> Fedora 21 has introduced the Editions vs. Spins distinction, Fedora 2*21=42
> would be a good time to retire it.
We would be pretty silly if we did that. This differentiation and the
associated quality and safeguarding criteria
On Di, 02.04.24 19:44, Petr Menšík (pemen...@redhat.com) wrote:
> Function pid_notify_with_fds_internal from
> ./src/libsystemd/sd-daemon/sd-daemon.c certainly is not just few lines, as
> suggested. Should I ask why, if not necessary?
The version in sd-daemon.c is a bit more complex because it su
It is not an april fools joke.
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 04:37 Peter Boy wrote:
>
>
> > Am 02.04.2024 um 22:06 schrieb Steve Cossette :
> >
> > ... The overall spirit of the CP is that we think KDE, and to some
> extent the other spins too, need a bit more visibility on the website. …
> > ...
> > W
Wiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SwitchToDnf5
This is a proposed Change for Fedora Linux.
This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes
process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive
community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if appr
On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:41 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 02, 2024 at 04:38:25PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 3:55 PM Steve Cossette wrote:
> > >
> > > I personally would very much agree with enforcing the use of 2fa on the
> > > Fedora Account System. Maybe
Good point. Check testing it is actually expected unix socket would be
quite nice. Especially when the file sd-daemon.c implements
sd_is_socket_unix function, but never uses it itself. libsystemd
verifies this using socket_address_parse_unix or
socket_address_parse_vsock in pid_notify_with_fds_
On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 09:50:27AM +0200, Clemens Lang wrote:
> There will always be some effort related to such a transition, but
> that effort will have to happen one way or the other eventually. I
> suspect if Fedora decides to keep ENGINE support, we’ll have the exact
> same discussion in a
Perhaps something like the "Everything.iso" could be top-leveled on the
website, to include Workstation, KDE, et al, in their full "Everything.iso"
details. That will let me decide, beforehand, what it is that I want to
download.
Keep the individual iso-webpage relationship simple, referring t
Hi Adam,
I lived through the 2011 period, and at that time the number of people
available for KDE software support was insufficient. In an earlier response I
suggested that a single website is where we should be focusing more info about
the various isos.
We don't need a separate set of web p
V Sat, Mar 30, 2024 at 09:40:46AM -, Cătălin George Feștilă napsal(a):
> I tried this command on the default Fedora installation... the TAB Key gave
> me this error:
> [root@fedora mythcat]# dnf5 search scV: __reassemble_comp_words_by_ref:
> command not found
> terminate called after throwing
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20240402.n.0
NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20240403.n.0
= SUMMARY =
Added images:0
Dropped images: 1
Added packages: 6
Dropped packages:4
Upgraded packages: 117
Downgraded packages: 0
Size of added packages: 2.88 MiB
Size of dropped packages
Putting aside that i heard from Neal Gompa that anaconda cannot accommodate
a « multi-flavor » media, can you imagine how big that iso would be? Forget
4gb, it’d probably be closer to 20gb!
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 09:49 Leslie Satenstein via devel <
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Perhaps
On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 12:47:39AM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > Yes, in this case the attacker had set the serial number to 30, but
> > the latest upstream serial number was 3. autoreconf won't replace the
> > file in this case unless it is deleted. There r
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 4:08 AM Steve Cossette wrote:
> Alright, so a substantial amount of information changed since the original
> submission of the change proposal.
>
It did? Because the page still reads:
*"Switch the default desktop experience for Workstation to KDE Plasma."*
> We aren't ne
[Replying to two mails at once to conserve some electrons.]
On Tue, Apr 02, 2024 at 04:03:31PM +0200, Dmitry Belyavskiy wrote:
> Thanks. In the period between the proposal was written and published the
> TPM2 provider has landed in Fedora.
> PKCS#11 provider is already here for a while.
>
> Should
Am 02.04.24 um 23:32 schrieb Adam Williamson:
On Tue, 2024-04-02 at 17:37 -0300, Sergio Belkin wrote:
I am a happy KDE user, since the good old days of version 1.0. I celebrate
this decision! My recognition goes to the enormous and sustained work of
the entire KDE community.
Cheers,
Sergiio
T
Dear Zbyszek,
Thanks, I updated the Wiki page correspondingly.
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 5:56 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek <
zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote:
> [Replying to two mails at once to conserve some electrons.]
>
> On Tue, Apr 02, 2024 at 04:03:31PM +0200, Dmitry Belyavskiy wrote:
> > Thanks. I
On Tue, Apr 2 2024 at 06:18:31 PM -07:00:00, Adam Williamson
wrote:
I mean, we really don't need to speculate about this much. We did an
entire overhaul of the project - Fedora.next - which was explicitly
based around making it much more focused and less of a
choose-your-own-
adventure, spe
I took botan as a penance for my sins in the previous thread ;-) haha 😢
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On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:22 PM Michael Catanzaro wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 2 2024 at 06:18:31 PM -07:00:00, Adam Williamson
> wrote:
> > I mean, we really don't need to speculate about this much. We did an
> > entire overhaul of the project - Fedora.next - which was explicitly
> > based around
On 03-04-2024 18:35, Jens-Ulrik Petersen wrote:
I took botan as a penance for my sins in the previous thread 😉 haha 😢
הַלְּלוּ־יָהּ 🙏
Thanks!
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On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 07:27:12AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:41 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 02, 2024 at 04:38:25PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 3:55 PM Steve Cossette wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I personally would very much
On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 06:17:59PM +0200, Leon Fauster via devel wrote:
> Am 02.04.24 um 23:32 schrieb Adam Williamson:
> > On Tue, 2024-04-02 at 17:37 -0300, Sergio Belkin wrote:
> > >
> > > I am a happy KDE user, since the good old days of version 1.0. I celebrate
> > > this decision! My recogni
On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 04:24:08AM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > Why not the opposite:
> >
> > Download Workstation
> >
> > [I'm a linux user and know what I want, just show me the full list of
> > downloads, click here]?
>
> Because that still leads people to cli
Hello Michael, and thanks for replying.
(a) Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop becomes a Fedora edition. We'd need to
be careful about how we do it. I would still promote Fedora Workstation
as the main/recommended "leading" desktop, would call Plasma an
"alternative desktop option," and would strongly cau
Den ons 3 apr. 2024 kl 18:45 skrev Neal Gompa :
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:22 PM Michael Catanzaro
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 2 2024 at 06:18:31 PM -07:00:00, Adam Williamson
> > wrote:
> > > I mean, we really don't need to speculate about this much. We did an
> > > entire overhaul of
Topic change for one minute
With the Everything.iso, there is a recovery option, which presents questions
pertaining to a Fedora installation needing a security scan (eg systemctl
daemon-reload).
Has anyone succeeded in the recovery script working to completion? I raise the
question here, as it
Eric Blake wrote:
> The upstream autoconf discussion says that 'autoreconf -fi' behavior
> on which 'serial NN' .m4 files to update is determined by automake,
> not autoconf, in part inspired by semantics desired in gnulib. And
> the automake and gnulib developers have argued that the upstream
> b
Steve Cossette wrote:
> Putting aside that i heard from Neal Gompa that anaconda cannot
> accommodate a « multi-flavor » media, can you imagine how big that iso
> would be? Forget 4gb, it’d probably be closer to 20gb!
We used to have multiboot live images that let you pick the live image
flavor t
Joe Orton wrote:
> Given that the ENGINE API is deprecated upstream since OpenSSL 3.0, the
> API is optional upstream, and its use has produced compiler warnings
> since it was introduced in Fedora 36, it seems perfectly reasonable to
> disable this API in Fedora 41.
I disagree. Disabling an API t
Dear Kevin
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 8:13 PM Kevin Kofler via devel <
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Joe Orton wrote:
> > Given that the ENGINE API is deprecated upstream since OpenSSL 3.0, the
> > API is optional upstream, and its use has produced compiler warnings
> > since it was introdu
Peter Boy wrote:
> We would be pretty silly if we did that. This differentiation and the
> associated quality and safeguarding criteria are a model for success and
> one of our differentiation criteria.
I think that is a quite pointless "differentiation criteria". Most users do
not even understan
On Wednesday, 3 April 2024 01:48:47 CEST Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 02, 2024 at 04:06:45PM -0400, Steve Cossette wrote:
> > Alright, so a substantial amount of information changed since the original
> > submission of the change proposal. We aren't necessarily thinking of
> > demoting Gnome. T
On 4/3/24 06:36, Aoife Moloney wrote:
the dnf-automatic command will be obsoleted.
https://dnf5.readthedocs.io/en/latest/changes.html does not say anything
about automatic updates, and
https://packages.fedoraproject.org/pkgs/dnf5/dnf5-plugin-automatic/
simply suggests that dns update be exe
On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 07:48:03PM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Eric Blake wrote:
> > The upstream autoconf discussion says that 'autoreconf -fi' behavior
> > on which 'serial NN' .m4 files to update is determined by automake,
> > not autoconf, in part inspired by semantics desired in gnu
On Wed, 2024-04-03 at 20:24 +0200, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote:
>
> Let's assume that we all agree with what you stated ( and I personally partly
> do).
>
> Why do we promote Workstation (with Gnome) over any other alternative that
> might arise? (in this case, a Fedora Workstation KDE)
It's an i
On Wed, 2024-04-03 at 14:27 -0400, Przemek Klosowski via devel wrote:
> On 4/3/24 06:36, Aoife Moloney wrote:
> > the dnf-automatic command will be obsoleted.
>
> https://dnf5.readthedocs.io/en/latest/changes.html does not say anything
> about automatic updates, and
>
> https://packages.fedorapr
OLD: Fedora-40-20240402.n.0
NEW: Fedora-40-20240403.n.0
= SUMMARY =
Added images:2
Dropped images: 1
Added packages: 3
Dropped packages:1
Upgraded packages: 90
Downgraded packages: 0
Size of added packages: 1.20 MiB
Size of dropped packages:7.75 MiB
Size
Am 03.04.24 um 20:56 schrieb Adam Williamson:
On Wed, 2024-04-03 at 20:24 +0200, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote:
Let's assume that we all agree with what you stated ( and I personally partly
do).
Why do we promote Workstation (with Gnome) over any other alternative that
might arise? (in this case, a
Luis Correia wrote:
> I'm mostly a user and I can accept a change from GNOME to KDE, IF and only
> if I'm not forced to use Wayland.
>
> For me it isn't usable in my setup and most things are plain broken.
As the maintainer of plasma-workspace-x11 and kwin-x11, I can assure you
that that will no
On 4/3/24 14:56, Adam Williamson wrote:
If you have two equally good options and you already picked one, you should
stick with it, not just switch between them every so often for the sake
of it. If Plasma were demonstrably, markedly and uncontroversially
*superior* to GNOME (please don't take th
On 4/3/24 13:56, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2024-04-03 at 20:24 +0200, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote:
Let's assume that we all agree with what you stated ( and I personally partly
do).
Why do we promote Workstation (with Gnome) over any other alternative that
might arise? (in this case, a Fedora
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Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> to you? They are quite relevent to others...
I would really like to see what the proportion of users downloading the
Server, IoT, Cloud, and CoreOS Editions is compared to Workstation or the
Spins. I would not expect it to be very high. Most Fedora users are desktop
users.
On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 at 17:03, Kevin Kofler via devel <
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > to you? They are quite relevent to others...
>
> I would really like to see what the proportion of users downloading the
> Server, IoT, Cloud, and CoreOS Editions is compared to Wor
Andreas Tunek wrote:
> From Red Hat's POV it is not Fedora Gnome Workstation (
> https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2020/05/07/gnome-is-not-the-default-for-fedora-workstation/
> ).
TL;DR: "We do not want 'GNOME' in the name because we want to only support
GNOME in Workstation, whereas 'GNOME Workstat
Steve Cossette wrote:
> Another route would be to go the Ubuntu route, if you really don't want to
> stop having Workstation as the default: Spin (pun intended) the KDE spin
> on it's own branding. Though I do understand that is an undertaking on
> it's own. It would still be Fedora, about as much
Hi all,
I like using `fedpkg local` builds to speed up testing of packaging, but
now encountered a problem trying to package a rust program for the first
time. It turns out a local build fails in the install step for all rust
packages (that I tried out) with an error like
error: 152 files in the
Stephen Smoogen wrote:
> Downloads are very hard to measure because too many things are grabbing
> everything from mirrors for different reasons. [Plus various people seem
> to think manipulating the stats for their particular spin on the number of
> downloads will make it more popular (I am lookin
On 4/3/24 16:49, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
Stephen Smoogen wrote:
Downloads are very hard to measure because too many things are grabbing
everything from mirrors for different reasons. [Plus various people seem
to think manipulating the stats for their particular spin on the number of
downlo
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 11:47 PM pfed--- via devel
wrote:
>
> Maybe we could add the `--allow-dirty` to the `%cargo_install` macro -
> from the top of my head this should not break anything, but I'm not
> sure. There does not seem to be a general "ignore-git" option for cargo.
>
> Or are there othe
On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 11:57:48AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2024-04-03 at 14:27 -0400, Przemek Klosowski via devel wrote:
> > On 4/3/24 06:36, Aoife Moloney wrote:
> > > the dnf-automatic command will be obsoleted.
> >
> > https://dnf5.readthedocs.io/en/latest/changes.html does not
Leon Fauster via devel wrote:
> I already had RHL installed on a Sun IPX with Gnome, so I'm biased.
Interesting that you were not put off by the changes that have happened to
GNOME since the old RHL days. I tried GNOME 1 at one point long ago, it was
actually pretty good. (It was very configurab
On Thu, Apr 04, 2024 at 12:03:56AM +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 11:47 PM pfed--- via devel
> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe we could add the `--allow-dirty` to the `%cargo_install` macro -
> > from the top of my head this should not break anything, but I'm not
> > sure. There does
Aaron Rainbolt wrote:
> Still, one could make some case for this. Plasma is, for one, obviously
> going to be more familiar to newcomers to the Linux world simply by
> virtue of the fact that the paradigms presented by its initial
> configuration are more familiar to those coming from the Windows o
Kevin Kofler via devel writes:
You make a good point there. The thing is, GNOME tries really hard to design
for new users, whom they define as a user who has never before used a
computer.
So, someone who never used at a computer before sits down in front of a new,
empty, Gnome desktop, and i
Am 04.04.24 um 00:44 schrieb Kevin Kofler via devel:
Leon Fauster via devel wrote:
I already had RHL installed on a Sun IPX with Gnome, so I'm biased.
Interesting that you were not put off by the changes that have happened to
GNOME since the old RHL days. I tried GNOME 1 at one point long ago,
Am 04.04.24 um 01:03 schrieb Kevin Kofler via devel:
You make a good point there. The thing is, GNOME tries really hard to design
for new users, whom they define as a user who has never before used a
computer. Such users are basically on the edge of extinction. A paradigm
that works great for som
Am 04.04.24 um 01:46 schrieb Sam Varshavchik:
This is not going to happen.
There's going to be someone else, sitting next to them, who will be
teaching the new user how to use a computer. And that someone will
/also/ be familiar with traditional desktop concepts and paradigms.
They, like the new
On 2024-04-03 11:35, Andreas Tunek wrote:
From Red Hat's POV it is not Fedora Gnome Workstation
(https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2020/05/07/gnome-is-not-the-default-for-fedora-workstation/).
I think this gets to the heart of the issue. If we set aside subjective
arguments about which desktop
Am 04.04.24 um 03:00 schrieb Gordon Messmer:
I think this gets to the heart of the issue. If we set aside subjective
arguments about which desktop is better or more popular, only one of
these desktops allows Fedora to publish a stable operating system which
is a coherent whole, because only one
On 2024-04-03 14:27, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
I am not sure I buy this argument. By the same argument, we should also not
call the OS "Fedora Linux" because it implies there is also a "Fedora BSD"
or "Fedora Hurd" or even "Fedora Windows" 😉 or something.
Personally, I think the reason we
Hi,
Transtats calculates translation statistics of the packages recently build in
koji. (a background process)
How should this data be made available for other apps to consume?
(what could be better approaches to integrate)
Its in development - transtats.stg.fedoraproject.org publishes to
fedor
From what I've been reading it seems the path of least resistance is to just
keep the Fedora Workstation branding and have two options: GNOME or KDE
Plasma. I don't believe that it should be overly confusing to ask people to
pick one. I just asked Google Gemini to come up with a suggestion an
On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 at 10:40, Aoife Moloney wrote:
> Wiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraPlasmaWorkstation
>
> This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes
> process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive
> community feedback. This proposal will
Hi guys,
the dnf-automatic command will be obsoleted.
>
Oh, sorry about that. This portion of the text was inadvertently altered
during the review process. I've already corrected the text on the wiki.
The dnf-automatic command will still be available, now provided as a plugin
and functionally co
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