Firefox - call for testing (Gtk3 effort)

2016-02-03 Thread Martin Stransky
Folks, we see many Gtk3 crashes in Firefox recently (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1239962) which comes from Gtk3 system library. If you's like to help here, please install latest FF updates from koji: F23: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2016-8344bd0b61 F22: ht

Re: Firefox - call for testing (Gtk3 effort)

2016-02-03 Thread Martin Stransky
Also please remove Firefox from ABRT blacklist at: /etc/abrt/abrt-action-save-package-data.conf ma. On 02/03/2016 10:43 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: Folks, we see many Gtk3 crashes in Firefox recently (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1239962) which comes from Gtk3 system library.

Re: Unannounced soname bump: libpsl

2016-02-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 06:13:13PM -0600, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > >This approach really scales badly and creates busywork. > And breaking rawhide however often due to unnoticed soname bumps > does scale well and does not cause busywork? Right. Tooling should stop that too. And I'm not just talki

Re: Unannounced soname bump: libpsl

2016-02-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 06:13:13PM -0600, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > >Ideally, every line in a package definition (specfile or what have you) > >is only there because of some exception from the typical case. For > >well-behaved > >upstreams, the perfect packaging description would be _empty_. > I d

Re: Firefox - call for testing (Gtk3 effort)

2016-02-03 Thread Jakub Jelen
Don't know it it will help, but I see Firefox almost always crash when I open new window and try to close it on F23. Sometimes earlier after opening the windows, sometimes later after closing. Jakub On 02/03/2016 10:43 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: Folks, we see many Gtk3 crashes in Firefox rec

Re: Firefox - call for testing (Gtk3 effort)

2016-02-03 Thread Martin Stransky
I'd need the ABRT backtrace for that - don't see it on my F23 box. On 02/03/2016 11:58 AM, Jakub Jelen wrote: Don't know it it will help, but I see Firefox almost always crash when I open new window and try to close it on F23. Sometimes earlier after opening the windows, sometimes later after cl

Re: Unannounced soname bump: libpsl

2016-02-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 13:01:04 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Even if the spec file uses wildcards to include any shared library > > version, the automatic dependency checks for Rawhide will notice the > > SONAME change and inform the packager about it. > > [...] > > This is too late, though. We

Re: Unannounced soname bump: libpsl

2016-02-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 05:26:23 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 06:13:13PM -0600, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > > >This approach really scales badly and creates busywork. > > And breaking rawhide however often due to unnoticed soname bumps > > does scale well and does not cause bu

Re: Upstream release monitoring issue

2016-02-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 07:34:06 +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 10:45:04PM -, Christian Stadelmann wrote: > > Is there any reason why two packages provide tsqllib and tsqllib-devel? See > > https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/s?search=trustedqsl and the related > >

Re: Upstream release monitoring issue

2016-02-03 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Christian Stadelmann < genodeft...@fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Is there any reason why two packages provide tsqllib and tsqllib-devel? > See https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/s?search=trustedqsl and the > related .spec files in git repos? They used to be sup

Re: Upstream release monitoring issue

2016-02-03 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 04:11:46PM -0600, Richard Shaw wrote: > >I was notified by a user that a newer version of trustedqsl was > available > >so I looked into why I wasn't notified. > >For some reason it still thinks 1.13 i

Re: Firefox - call for testing (Gtk3 effort)

2016-02-03 Thread Jakub Jelen
On 02/03/2016 10:53 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: Also please remove Firefox from ABRT blacklist at: /etc/abrt/abrt-action-save-package-data.conf ma. On 02/03/2016 10:43 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: Folks, we see many Gtk3 crashes in Firefox recently (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=

Re: Firefox - call for testing (Gtk3 effort)

2016-02-03 Thread Martin Stransky
On 02/03/2016 02:45 PM, Jakub Jelen wrote: On 02/03/2016 10:53 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: Also please remove Firefox from ABRT blacklist at: /etc/abrt/abrt-action-save-package-data.conf ma. On 02/03/2016 10:43 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: Folks, we see many Gtk3 crashes in Firefox recently (h

F24 Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades

2016-02-03 Thread Jan Kurik
= Proposed Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GraphicalSystemUpgrades Change owner(s): * Kalev Lember < klember AT redhat DOT com > Add support for performing system upgrades to a newer Fedora release through GNOME Software. == Detailed Desc

Re: F24 Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades

2016-02-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 03:00:53PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote: > We'll implement a graphical user interface for system upgrades. The > implementation will use PackageKit and the libhif stack as a backend > and GNOME Software as a frontend. First supported version is going to > be Fedora 23->24 upgrades

F24 System Wide Change: GNOME 3.20

2016-02-03 Thread Jan Kurik
= Proposed System Wide Change: GNOME 3.20 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GNOME3.20 Change owner(s): * Kalev Lember Update GNOME to the latest upstream release, 3.20 == Detailed Description == The new features for 3.20 include: * Graphical System Upgrades * Cantarell font improvements

Re: F24 Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades

2016-02-03 Thread Heiko Adams
Am Mittwoch, den 03.02.2016, 15:00 +0100 schrieb Jan Kurik: > First supported version is going to > be Fedora 23->24 upgrades. Does this mean the changes will be backported to GNOME Software 3.18? -- Regards, Heiko Adams signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- dev

F24 System Wide Change: Removal of librtkaio from glibc

2016-02-03 Thread Jan Kurik
= Proposed System Wide Change: Removal of librtkaio from glibc = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GLIBC223_librtkaio_removal Change owner(s): * Carlos O'Donell Remove librtkaio support from glibc in Fedora 24. == Detailed Description == On July 2003 the rtkaio add-on was added to Fedora i

Re: F24 Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades

2016-02-03 Thread Kalev Lember
On 02/03/2016 03:11 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 03:00:53PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote: >> We'll implement a graphical user interface for system upgrades. The >> implementation will use PackageKit and the libhif stack as a backend >> and GNOME Software as a frontend. First suppor

Re: F24 Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades

2016-02-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 03:21:26PM +0100, Kalev Lember wrote: > >> We'll implement a graphical user interface for system upgrades. The > >> implementation will use PackageKit and the libhif stack as a backend > >> and GNOME Software as a frontend. First supported version is going to > >> be Fedora

F24 System Wide Change: The GNU C Library version 2.23

2016-02-03 Thread Jan Kurik
= Proposed System Wide Change: The GNU C Library version 2.23 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GLIBC223 Change owner(s): * Carlos O'Donell Switch glibc in Fedora 24 to glibc version 2.23. == Detailed Description == The GNU C Library version 2.23 will be released at the end of February 2

Re: F24 Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades

2016-02-03 Thread Kalev Lember
On 02/03/2016 03:16 PM, Heiko Adams wrote: > Am Mittwoch, den 03.02.2016, 15:00 +0100 schrieb Jan Kurik: >> First supported version is going to >> be Fedora 23->24 upgrades. > Does this mean the changes will be backported to GNOME Software 3.18? No. The plan is to put GNOME Software 3.20 in F23, s

Re: PATH contains at build time

2016-02-03 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2016-02-02, Florian Weimer wrote: > May packages assume that /usr/sbin is on PATH when they are built? > > If you need a program which is currently only in /usr/sbin, should a > package use an absolute path, or reset PATH to include /usr/sbin? > When I was small, I was tought that sbin is for p

Re: PATH contains at build time

2016-02-03 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/03/2016 09:35 AM, Petr Pisar wrote: > On 2016-02-02, Florian Weimer wrote: >> May packages assume that /usr/sbin is on PATH when they are built? >> >> If you need a program which is currently only in /usr/sbin, should a >> package use an absol

Re: PATH contains at build time

2016-02-03 Thread Ian Malone
On 3 February 2016 at 14:35, Petr Pisar wrote: > On 2016-02-02, Florian Weimer wrote: >> May packages assume that /usr/sbin is on PATH when they are built? >> >> If you need a program which is currently only in /usr/sbin, should a >> package use an absolute path, or reset PATH to include /usr/sbi

Re: PATH contains at build time

2016-02-03 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 09:44:21AM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/03/2016 09:35 AM, Petr Pisar wrote: > > On 2016-02-02, Florian Weimer wrote: > >> May packages assume that /usr/sbin is on PATH when they are built? > >> > >> If you nee

Re: F24 Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades

2016-02-03 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 03:00:53PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GraphicalSystemUpgrades This change is really light on details (or progress?). How is this going to be different (and why) from the dn

Re: nss_myhostname as default in Fedora

2016-02-03 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
Hi, On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 11:57:37PM +0100, Jan Pokorný wrote: > attempt on settle this one down: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6761 rfc6761 is a useful reference, but it doesn't really solve this discussion one way or another. It's concerned with names to be "carved off a sub-tree of the DNS n

On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Jerry James
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 11:30 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > Well, one thing about this is that no-one owns packages anymore. We are a > community and there are package maintainers in that community. > Each package has one or more maintainers, but nobody owns it. The only reason > we > even have

Re: F24 Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades

2016-02-03 Thread James Hogarth
On 3 February 2016 at 15:27, Brian C. Lane wrote: > On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 03:00:53PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote: > > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GraphicalSystemUpgrades > > This change is really light on details (or progre

Fedora 24 Mass Rebuild

2016-02-03 Thread Dennis Gilmore
Hi all, Per the Fedora 24 schedule[1] we will be starting a mass rebuild for Fedora 24 very shortly. We are doing a mass rebuild for Fedora 24 for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GCC6 we will start the mass rebuild on 2016-02-03 This is a heads up that it will be done in a side tag and m

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On 03/02/16 08:44 -0700, Jerry James wrote: 1. Demotivating packagers I know a number of companies have experimented with "ownership-free" models of code development, but they are able to offer incentives that Fedora cannot offer, such as money and kudos offered in front of coworkers. What mot

Re: Unannounced soname bump: libpsl

2016-02-03 Thread Jerry James
On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 3:26 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > Right. Tooling should stop that too. And I'm not just talking > _completely_ in hand-wavy theory. This is Dennis Gilmore's plan, where > any package build which breaks other packages (or possibly other > integration testing) gets automaticall

Re: Firefox - call for testing (Gtk3 effort)

2016-02-03 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On 03/02/16 11:58 +0100, Jakub Jelen wrote: Don't know it it will help, but I see Firefox almost always crash when I open new window and try to close it on F23. Sometimes earlier after opening the windows, sometimes later after closing. I've been seeing this recently when I close a tab that wa

Re: PATH contains at build time

2016-02-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 03:12:17PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > Using %{_sbindir} is just busywork. It is safe it too asume that is > $PATH. I sadly agree. Ship sailed for fixing this about a decade ago. It'd be a nice usability enhancement to get programs which are not intended to

Re: Upstream release monitoring issue

2016-02-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 07:32:33 -0600, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Christian Stadelmann wrote: > > > Is there any reason why two packages provide tsqllib and tsqllib-devel? > > See https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/s?search=trustedqsl and the > > related .spec files

Re: Upstream release monitoring issue

2016-02-03 Thread Richard Shaw
I would have just made the lib a subproject but the version is higher than that of the binary/overall version. Maybe the best thing to do is just to go ahead and bite the bullet and bump the Epoch and do it that way. Thanks, Richard -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.

Re: nss_myhostname as default in Fedora

2016-02-03 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
Sorry to reply with such a delay. On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 07:43:35PM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > I also think that the whole gethostname(2) mechanism is terminally > screwed up. We abuse the hostname for multiple purposes: > > 1. It shows up in the default bash prompt. > > 2. It gets sent

Re: PATH contains at build time

2016-02-03 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 11:09:48AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 03:12:17PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > Using %{_sbindir} is just busywork. It is safe it too asume that is > > $PATH. > > I sadly agree. Ship sailed for fixing this about a decade ago. It'd

Help with Rawhide build error with GCC 6.0

2016-02-03 Thread Richard Shaw
With the release of GCC 6.0 in Rawhide I'm having a build warning/error[1,2] with OpenImageIO I'm not sure what to do with (other than adding a flag to ignore it). Upstream is looking into it but currently thinks that the pugixml API is requiring a method that GCC 6.0 doesn't like: [ 3%] Buildi

Re: Help with Rawhide build error with GCC 6.0

2016-02-03 Thread Florian Weimer
On 02/03/2016 05:59 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: > In member function 'void OpenImageIO::v1_6::pugi::xml_document::create()': > /builddir/build/BUILD/oiio-Release-1.6.9/src/include/OpenImageIO/pugixml.cpp:5143:58: > error: placement new constructing an object of type > 'OpenImageIO::v1_6::pugi::impl::x

Re: Help with Rawhide build error with GCC 6.0

2016-02-03 Thread Richard Shaw
On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 02/03/2016 05:59 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: > > > In member function 'void > OpenImageIO::v1_6::pugi::xml_document::create()': > > > /builddir/build/BUILD/oiio-Release-1.6.9/src/include/OpenImageIO/pugixml.cpp:5143:58: > > error: placement

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
On Wed, 2016-02-03 at 08:44 -0700, Jerry James wrote: > I know a number of companies have experimented with "ownership-free" > models of code development, but they are able to offer incentives > that > Fedora cannot offer, such as money and kudos offered in front of > coworkers.  What motivates vol

Re: Help with Rawhide build error with GCC 6.0

2016-02-03 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On 03/02/16 10:59 -0600, Richard Shaw wrote: With the release of GCC 6.0 in Rawhide I'm having a build warning/error[1,2] with OpenImageIO I'm not sure what to do with (other than adding a flag to ignore it). tl;dr either add -Wno-error=placement-new for now or try the workaround at the bottom

Re: Help with Rawhide build error with GCC 6.0

2016-02-03 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On 03/02/16 17:30 +, Jonathan Wakely wrote: On 03/02/16 10:59 -0600, Richard Shaw wrote: With the release of GCC 6.0 in Rawhide I'm having a build warning/error[1,2] with OpenImageIO I'm not sure what to do with (other than adding a flag to ignore it). tl;dr either add -Wno-error=placement

Re: Unannounced soname bump: libpsl

2016-02-03 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/03/2016 12:42 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 05:26:23 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 06:13:13PM -0600, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: This approach really scales badly and creates busywork. And breaking rawhide however often due to unnoticed soname bumps d

Re: Firefox - call for testing (Gtk3 effort)

2016-02-03 Thread Martin Stransky
On 02/03/2016 05:08 PM, Jonathan Wakely wrote: On 03/02/16 11:58 +0100, Jakub Jelen wrote: Don't know it it will help, but I see Firefox almost always crash when I open new window and try to close it on F23. Sometimes earlier after opening the windows, sometimes later after closing. I've been

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 02/03/2016 08:44 AM, Jerry James wrote: > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 11:30 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon > wrote: >> Well, one thing about this is that no-one owns packages anymore. We are a >> community and there are package maintainers in that community. >> Each package has one or more maintainers, but

Another GCC 6 & Rawhide build failure

2016-02-03 Thread Tom Callaway
First the C++ code: namespace Amanith { struct GNamedSVGcolor { GChar8 Name[22]; GVector4 RGBA; }; static const GNamedSVGcolor SVGColors[147] = { { "aliceblue", GVector4(0.941, 0.973, 1.000, 1.000) }, { "antiquewhite", GVector4(0.980, 0.922, 0.843, 1.000) },

Re: Another GCC 6 & Rawhide build failure

2016-02-03 Thread Florian Weimer
On 02/03/2016 07:37 PM, Tom Callaway wrote: > Ideas? Please tells us which package and which build. This needs more context for an investigation, I think. Florian -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

releng pushed to bucardo (master). "- Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_24_Mass_Rebuild"

2016-02-03 Thread notifications
From b1efc082c60eae772d5f0edb3caf7b63ed916140 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Dennis Gilmore Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 17:15:59 + Subject: - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_24_Mass_Rebuild --- bucardo.spec | 5 - 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/b

Re: Another GCC 6 & Rawhide build failure

2016-02-03 Thread Tom Callaway
On 02/03/2016 01:49 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 02/03/2016 07:37 PM, Tom Callaway wrote: > >> Ideas? > > Please tells us which package and which build. This needs more context > for an investigation, I think. amanith: https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/6502/12806502/build.log ~t

Re: Another GCC 6 & Rawhide build failure

2016-02-03 Thread Florian Weimer
On 02/03/2016 07:51 PM, Tom Callaway wrote: > On 02/03/2016 01:49 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: >> On 02/03/2016 07:37 PM, Tom Callaway wrote: >> >>> Ideas? >> >> Please tells us which package and which build. This needs more context >> for an investigation, I think. > > amanith: > https://kojipkgs.f

Re: Another GCC 6 & Rawhide build failure

2016-02-03 Thread Tom Callaway
On 02/03/2016 01:57 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: > Okay, self-contained test case is: > > struct GVector4 { > GVector4(int); > }; > struct GNamedSVGcolor { > char Name[22]; > GVector4 RGBA; > }; > > static const GNamedSVGcolor SVGColors[1] = { > { "aliceblue", GVector4(1) }, > }; > > The R

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 16:04:19 +, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > When a provenpackager is rebuilding *hundreds* of packages at once, > and trying to deal with maybe dozens of build failures, sending emails > to all the package owners and waiting to see if they respond promptly > is not an efficient way

Re: Another GCC 6 & Rawhide build failure

2016-02-03 Thread Marek Polacek
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 02:10:46PM -0500, Tom Callaway wrote: > On 02/03/2016 01:57 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: > > > Okay, self-contained test case is: > > > > struct GVector4 { > > GVector4(int); > > }; > > struct GNamedSVGcolor { > > char Name[22]; > > GVector4 RGBA; > > }; > > > > static

Re: Another GCC 6 & Rawhide build failure

2016-02-03 Thread Tom Callaway
On 02/03/2016 02:21 PM, Marek Polacek wrote: > Looks like a g++ bug; I opened > https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=69658 > to track it further. Thanks. Always nice to have someone else agree that it probably isn't my fault. :D ~tom == Red Hat -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedorapr

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
Michael Schwendt (mschwe...@gmail.com) said: > > Sometimes a provenpackager will make a bad change, and that's > > unfortunate, but it happens. Sometimes package owners make bad changes > > too! :-) > > You're taking it too lightly. Somebody who performs version upgrades really > needs to take ca

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Rich Mattes
On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 16:04:19 +, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > >> When a provenpackager is rebuilding *hundreds* of packages at once, >> and trying to deal with maybe dozens of build failures, sending emails >> to all the package owners and wa

Re: Unannounced soname bump: libpsl

2016-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > This is the hazard of using %{_libdir}/*.so.* in %files. Is there any > reason why such a syntax should NOT be formally discouraged in the > packaging guidelines? There is: I do not want to have to pointlessly edit my specfile each time some soname changes, and waste a

DNF pains

2016-02-03 Thread Felix Miata
I have lots of test installations using identical partition sizes for EXT3 or EXT4 / filesystems. the filesystem space these provided is adequate on all if running Mageia or openSUSE, but quite often not for Fedora. Working around the inadequacy on Fedora presents problems #2 & #3. Problem #1: NAI

Re: DNF pains

2016-02-03 Thread Subhendu Ghosh
Do we have zypper in Fedora? Perhaps we should give that a try? On Feb 3, 2016 23:28, "Felix Miata" wrote: > I have lots of test installations using identical partition sizes for EXT3 > or > EXT4 / filesystems. the filesystem space these provided is adequate on all > if > running Mageia or openS

Re: DNF pains

2016-02-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > I have lots of test installations using identical partition sizes for EXT3 or > EXT4 / filesystems. the filesystem space these provided is adequate on all if > running Mageia or openSUSE, but quite often not for Fedora. Working around > the inad

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jerry James wrote: > a. Last fall, a provenpackager updated a package for which I am the > primary point of contact (as well as the original submitter). The > update was to an upstream alpha release. It was alpha for a reason. > The release is super buggy. I had not updated to it on purpose. A

Re: Help with Rawhide build error with GCC 6.0

2016-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jonathan Wakely wrote: > A workaround would be to make it too hard for the compiler to see the > problem: > > void* ptr = page->data; > _root = new (ptr) impl::xml_document_struct(page); > > This way GCC doesn't see that the address refers to a 1-byte array. Why not simply: char data[ #i

Re: DNF pains

2016-02-03 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 02/03/2016 02:28 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Problem #3: When running from say the /boot directory the same dnf command above: # dnf update kd*, kf*, q*, per*, pyt*, u*, v*, x* y*, z* dnf reports cannot install package inityada, cannot install package vmliyada, It ought to be smart e

Self Introduction: Fran Tsao

2016-02-03 Thread Francisco J. Tsao Santin
Hello /all, I've been using GNU/Linux since 1998. That year I joined to GPUL, the Coruña (North Spain) Linux Users Group. In these years I organised with my LUG a lot of free software hackmeetings, the greatest one, the GUADEC 2012. I was a Debian zealot more than 10 years, but because my curre

Re: DNF pains

2016-02-03 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Feb 3, 2016, at 05:54 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > NAICT, DNF, like Yum before it, offers no option I can recognize from its > > man > > page to download less than all the to-be-updated/installed packages before > > proceeding to install any packages. Thus it downloads (typically hundred

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Ian Malone
On 3 February 2016 at 23:00, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Really, it is not realistic to expect people who need to urgently fix > something to write up a polite e-mail and wait possibly days for you to > reply (especially if you then answer that you don't want the change and more > days are wasted goi

Re: Unannounced soname bump: libpsl

2016-02-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 23:27:30 +0100 Kevin Kofler wrote: > Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > > This is the hazard of using %{_libdir}/*.so.* in %files. Is there > > any reason why such a syntax should NOT be formally discouraged in > > the packaging guidelines? > > There is: I do not want to have to po

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 23:26:23 + Ian Malone wrote: > If this is a requirement then it rules out a lot of potential > packagers who are not full time employed to work on OSS. I could not > sit at my desk and respond to IRCs about Fedora all day. As with so much in life, IMHO, it's not a black an

courier-unicode and maildrop update for rawhide

2016-02-03 Thread Brian C. Lane
I'll be updating these in rawhide only. The big change is that courier-unicode has changed the library name to libcourier-unicode and includes a couple extra header files. As far as I can tell the only package that cares is maildrop, so this shouldn't be an issue. -- Brian C. Lane | Anaconda Team

Re: DNF pains

2016-02-03 Thread Dan Book
On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 02/03/2016 02:28 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > >> Problem #3: >> When running from say the /boot directory the same dnf command above: >> >> # dnf update kd*, kf*, q*, per*, pyt*, u*, v*, x* y*, z* >> >> dnf reports cannot install package

Re: DNF pains

2016-02-03 Thread Felix Miata
Chris Murphy composed on 2016-02-03 15:54 (UTC-0700): > Felix Miata wrote: ... >> Does anyone here agree that each of the three would represent legitimate >> wishlist bugs, unlikely to be summarily dismissed as wontfix? > My expectation is that's a lot more work than for dnf to do a better > esti

Re: DNF pains

2016-02-03 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Qua, 2016-02-03 at 15:10 -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 02/03/2016 02:28 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > > Problem #3: > > When running from say the /boot directory the same dnf command > > above: > > > > # dnf update kd*, kf*, q*, per*, pyt*, u*, v*, x* y*, z* > > > > dnf reports cannot install

Re: Unannounced soname bump: libpsl

2016-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Why would it be a pointless edit? Surely you are editing it to update > to the new version, why wouldn't you also just edit it to adjust the > so files? or do you not test your version upgrade specs before firing > off official builds? Of course not. The rule of thumb is "Rawh

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Ian Kent
On Wed, 2016-02-03 at 08:44 -0700, Jerry James wrote: > > I think we need to ask ourselves, as a project, what behaviors we want > to motivate and what behaviors we want to demotivate in our packagers. > I think we need to take human nature, flawed as it is, into account > when doing so. I fear t

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Ian Kent
On Wed, 2016-02-03 at 16:04 +, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > > If I send these two provenpackagers a somewhat hostile email, are you > > going to blame me? I have no problem with most provenpackager > > changes. In general, they have an obvious purpose and save me the > > work of making the same

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Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 04 Feb 2016 09:09:33 +0800 Ian Kent wrote: > I agree. > > I believe that package ownership has at least a couple of clear > advantages for obvious reasons and I find it hard to understand how > people can discount their usefulness. > > 1) A point of contact and co-ordination for changes

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Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 08:44:32 -0700 Jerry James wrote: > Several people have said something similar lately, and it worries me. > I understand that we're trying to combat the hostility some packagers > show when somebody does something to "their" packages, but I'm > concerned that we may have swung

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Ian Kent
On Wed, 2016-02-03 at 18:44 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Thu, 04 Feb 2016 09:09:33 +0800 > Ian Kent wrote: > > > I agree. > > > > I believe that package ownership has at least a couple of clear > > advantages for obvious reasons and I find it hard to understand how > > people can discount thei