On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 11:52 -0500, Billy Crook wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Matthew Miller
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:18:47AM -0500, Billy Crook wrote:
> >> > Since it _isn't_ served via DHCP in any environment I'm aware of, that's
> >> > not
> >> > actually useful.
> >
On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 18:15 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:57:50PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 05:17:01PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >
> > So this thread is complaining about..
> >
> > > > Removing:
> > > > glusterfs
I've found it very hard to find the right place to jump into this
discussion.
So, I'll just put out some of my own thoughts about what I want to see
out of Fedora, and then point out how I think this matches or contrasts
with Matts proposal.
Fedora should be an *OS*. Here are some of the qualitie
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Nicolas Mailhot
wrote:
> Historically it was quite widespread. The only bit of font metadata one
> could rely on was the font name, and then not always. A font author would
> widely announce the relicensing of his font and not change the metadata in
> the font fil
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:12 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> Support for adding new NetworkManager connections using the nmcli commandline
> tool.
This would be wonderful to have on servers.
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On 2013-07-22 18:55, Thomas Moschny wrote:
>
> Maybe you could use searchco.de in some creative way?
> http://searchcode.com/?q=url%3Afedora+ext%3Aspec+docdir
Thanks for the pointer -- but what makes that less useful than it could
be is that the url parameter is ignored if searching with a rege
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 14:38:17 -0400,
Matthias Clasen wrote:
PS: Somewhere in this discussion, it was brought up that Fedora
infrastructure is not running on Fedora. I find that a really depressing
state of affairs. Changing that would be a great goal, imo.
I think making sure a Fedora fo
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 08:26:18PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 05:17:01PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> > Today in Absurd Dependency Bingo:
>> > > glusterfs x86_64 3.4.0-2.fc19
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Kaleb KEITHLEY wrote:
> On 07/23/2013 03:44 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>>
>>
>> Not sure if glusterfs could be split into client and server parts
>> and/or if that would help (only a "client" bit is needed).
>
>
> glusterfs already exists in client (glusterfs a
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:38:17 -0400
Matthias Clasen wrote:
...snip...
> PS: Somewhere in this discussion, it was brought up that Fedora
> infrastructure is not running on Fedora. I find that a really
> depressing state of affairs. Changing that would be a great goal, imo.
I find this myth contin
On 07/23/2013 06:55 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
We have a increasing number of Fedora instances in places where it
makes sense. We don't exclusively use Fedora everywhere because it
doesn't make sense for a number of things.
Hosting/running what exactly?
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On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Kaleb KEITHLEY wrote:
> On 07/23/2013 05:20 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:45:59PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 03:49:37PM +0530, Kaleb KEITHLEY wrote:
On 07/23/2013 03:44 PM, Richard W.
"Darryl L. Pierce" a écrit:
> BZ#848774
>
> This bug is nearly a year old, requesting that package offlineimap be
> upgraded to what was then the latest release (6.5.4, now it is
> 6.5.5-rc2). There has been no response from the maintainer.
>
> I posted a bug comment on 01 July asking for somethi
Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) said:
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 06:15:32PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > However for some reason I can't quite understand, libvirt-daemon
> > depends on 'qemu'. That may be a bug?
>
> I meant to write: "'libvirt-daemon-qemu' depends on 'qemu'".
Isn'
On 07/23/2013 05:33 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 23.07.2013 19:25, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
And fundamentally again I think you are wrong we are better off in the long
term standing on our own two feets then
working with downstream or be dependant on RH on way or another or some other
sp
On 18/07/13 08:24 AM, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:
Hi all,
as a new Fedora Python maintainer, I have set myself a goal of moving Fedora to
Python 3 as a default. This is going to be a multirelease effort that is going
to affect lots of Fedora parts. Since we will need to switch default package
manag
On 2013-07-23 08:04, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>
> For similar purposes, I have been using the CSV table returned by
> "https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/lists/bugzilla?tg_format=plain";
>
> I am downloading the CSV-table and then use scripts to filter the CSV
> into lists and subsequently to fe
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:56:08 +
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 07/23/2013 06:55 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > We have a increasing number of Fedora instances in places where it
> > makes sense. We don't exclusively use Fedora everywhere because it
> > doesn't make sense for a number of thing
On 07/23/2013 07:08 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:56:08 +
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 07/23/2013 06:55 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
We have a increasing number of Fedora instances in places where it
makes sense. We don't exclusively use Fedora everywhere because it
doesn't
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 21:02:56 +0200,
Reindl Harald wrote:
on the other hand "it your own dogfoot" may lead to *a lot* of more
Note, the English idiom is "Eat your own dog food".
care in many aspects if it comes to desicisons like "delay a
feature to the next release" which is not ready
On 2013-07-23 21:47, Ville Skyttä wrote:
> On 2013-07-22 18:55, Thomas Moschny wrote:
>>
>> Maybe you could use searchco.de in some creative way?
>> http://searchcode.com/?q=url%3Afedora+ext%3Aspec+docdir
>
> Also, I have no idea how up to date Fedora sources they're working with.
Based on a co
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:08:36 +
"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 07/23/2013 07:08 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:56:08 +
> > "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> >
> >> On 07/23/2013 06:55 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >>> We have a increasing number of Fedora instances in pl
Am 23.07.2013 19:54, schrieb Reindl Harald:
>> 3) ReadOnlyDirectories also needs to be applied across submounts, which
>> introduces complication to the system units depending on the filesystem
>> layout on the administrator-configured machine - having security mechanisms
>> be affected by this is
Am 23.07.2013 20:57, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
> On 07/23/2013 05:33 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>> Am 23.07.2013 19:25, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
>>> And fundamentally again I think you are wrong we are better off in the long
>>> term standing on our own two feets then
>>> working wit
Am 23.07.2013 20:49, schrieb Bruno Wolff III:
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 14:38:17 -0400,
> Matthias Clasen wrote:
>
>> PS: Somewhere in this discussion, it was brought up that Fedora
>> infrastructure is not running on Fedora. I find that a really depressing
>> state of affairs. Changing that wo
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:45 AM, T.C. Hollingsworth
wrote:
> There are additionally 252 fonts in 128 packages that don't set the
> "license description" field while setting the "copyright" field. [2]
> These are probably fine, but we might want to take a look over them
> anyway. (There are none
On 07/23/2013 07:17 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
Anyhow, I think this will be my last post here.
Is it really that hard for you to provide a list with services that
aren't running Fedora so I myself and the rest of the community can look
at which those services are and if it indeed is impossible to
On 23 July 2013 13:02, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
> On 18/07/13 08:24 AM, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> as a new Fedora Python maintainer, I have set myself a goal of moving
>> Fedora to Python 3 as a default. This is going to be a multirelease effort
>> that is going to affect lots of Fed
On 07/23/2013 12:58 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 05:54:27PM -0400, Peter MacKinnon wrote:
So far, so good...sort of. We can make the basic use case and tests work with
the modified dependencies but in doing so we risk giving up parity with the
Apache baseline (including the
On 07/23/2013 07:11 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
so you have no plan how large the positive impact is but you
attack Redhat and employees in a subtle way wherever you can?
For the first you do realize that Red Hat is a corporate and my view of
corporate involvement is the same in open source comm
Le Mar 23 juillet 2013 20:55, Kevin Fenzi a écrit :
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:38:17 -0400
> Matthias Clasen wrote:
>
> ...snip...
>
>> PS: Somewhere in this discussion, it was brought up that Fedora
>> infrastructure is not running on Fedora. I find that a really
>> depressing state of affairs. Ch
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 09:01:37PM +0200, Dodji Seketeli wrote:
> "Darryl L. Pierce" a écrit:
>
> > BZ#848774
> >
> > This bug is nearly a year old, requesting that package offlineimap be
> > upgraded to what was then the latest release (6.5.4, now it is
> > 6.5.5-rc2). There has been no response
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Le Mar 23 juillet 2013 21:20, T.C. Hollingsworth a écrit :
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 11:45 AM, T.C. Hollingsworth
> wrote:
>> There are additionally 252 fonts in 128 packages that don't set the
>> "license description" field while setting the "copyright" field. [2]
>> These are probably fine, but
Am 23.07.2013 22:07, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
> On 07/23/2013 07:11 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> so you have no plan how large the positive impact is but you
>> attack Redhat and employees in a subtle way wherever you can?
>
> For the first you do realize that Red Hat is a corporate and my v
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Hello,
Related to the unversioned docdirs F-20 feature [1], some changes with
doc packages will be needed in a bunch of packages. More info will
follow later, but I've started looking into the list of affected ones.
Some related things are still being discussed on the packaging@ mailing
list.
Whi
On 07/23/2013 08:26 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
and from here is clear that you*blindly* shoot around at Redhat*blindly and
nothing else*
This was everything but blindly shot I'm perfectly well aware that he's
a Red Hat employee I even sent him email at his Red Hat address last week.
If you d
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 07:54:31PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> I thought gluster 3.4 was suppose to support a libgfapi which
> integrated into qemu [1] so in theory the bare minimum qemu should
> need is libgfapi.
>
> [1] http://www.gluster.org/2013/07/glusterfs-3-4-is-here/
Right, and that's
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 03:00:46PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) said:
> > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 06:15:32PM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > > However for some reason I can't quite understand, libvirt-daemon
> > > depends on 'qemu'. That may be a bug
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On 07/23/2013 04:07 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 07/23/2013 07:11 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> so you have no plan how large the positive impact is but you
>> attack Redhat and employees in a subtle way wherever you can?
>>
>
> For the fir
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 03:34:15PM -0400, Peter MacKinnon wrote:
>
>
> Well, compat libraries are certainly an option but I view that as a tactical
> solution to an institutional, um, challenge.
> And I believe that is what Matt is driving at: sustainable solutions that
> satisfy the user/admin n
On Jul 22, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Nicolas Mailhot
wrote:
>
> Le Lun 22 juillet 2013 15:38, Matthew Miller a écrit :
>
>> Whenever I go to a tech meetup or talk to someone from a new startup
>> company, their developers are inevitably using a different (usually
>> proprietary) desktop OS, plus a no
On 07/23/2013 09:11 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
For the record, I'd like you to have a look at basically any
community-reported bug in the 'sssd' component of BZ or
community-submitted patches on the sssd-devel list. That's a project
comprised nearly entirely of Red Hat employees.[1]
You may no
On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 11:46 -0700, David Strauss wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:12 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> > Support for adding new NetworkManager connections using the nmcli
> > commandline
> > tool.
>
> This would be wonderful to have on servers.
That is exactly the use-case we're ta
On 07/23/2013 11:02 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
you claimed more than once that they are a less woth part of the community
because they get paid for their work and are not completly free in their
doings
Yes not because they work for Red Hat but because I value people
dedicating and invest their f
Am 24.07.2013 00:46, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
> On 07/23/2013 09:11 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> For the record, I'd like you to have a look at basically any
>> community-reported bug in the 'sssd' component of BZ or
>> community-submitted patches on the sssd-devel list. That's a project
Am 23.07.2013 22:32, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
> On 07/23/2013 08:26 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> and from here is clear that you *blindly* shoot around at Redhat *blindly
>> and nothing else*
>
> This was everything but blindly shot I'm perfectly well aware that he's a Red
> Hat employee
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:01:51PM +0300, Ville Skyttä wrote:
> On 2013-07-23 08:04, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> >
> > For similar purposes, I have been using the CSV table returned by
> > "https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/lists/bugzilla?tg_format=plain";
> >
> > I am downloading the CSV-table a
On Jul 23, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Nicolas Mailhot
wrote:
>
> Without putting *any* blame on infra, I think that explains why no startup
> is using Fedora (which is the reason advanced to justify this proposal). A
> startup needs to build its own infra from scratch as fast as possible.
Replying to t
Hi
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:25 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> Yes not because they work for Red Hat but because I value people
> dedicating and invest their free time to the project more then I value
> people that get paid to work on Fedora and are doing so on corporate time
>
How do yo
Earlier this evening I was asked how I expected Fedora to function in
any way similarly to how it does now without the backing of one or more
organizations like Red Hat.
I gave the quick answer "through donations" since I was not in mood to
give the detailed answers ( and taint that thread ev
On Jul 23, 2013, at 2:07 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> The fact is we live in a rather thankless community and that is something we
> might be better at something that Picard would indeed want us to do.
Thank you for inviting me, with your foul attitude, to be condescending and to
ask a
You apparently don't want anyone who is working on Open Source as part
of any job (Red Hat or not) involved in the distribution you support
(since you said you don't value system admins fixing things while on the
clock the same either).
Here's one of Fedora's Core Values:
Friends
We believe
Hi list,
FYI, as this link[1] announced, 2 desktops have been merged into one.
Razor-qt just got in Fedora in April, what shall we do next?
Thanks.
[1]--https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/razor-qt/PNvkoidV2Ik/0lpz9J6RGEQJ
Yours sincerely,
Christopher Meng
Always playing in Fedora Pro
On 07/24/2013 12:29 AM, Peter Robinson wrote:
Can't you split the translators into a glusterfs-common (or something)
The glusterfs RPM already is the glusterfs-common RPM that you want.
If you look, you'll see that the other things in the glusterfs RPM
really aren't that big; moving the tr
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 12:02:04PM -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
> I am very surprised infrastructure has not planned to gradually move
> to python 3 since its release. I understand that due to RHEL, python2
> will remain used, in Fedora it is disappointing very little
> initiative were proposed
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 02:40:56AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:
>
> The problem is that you're basically saying "my mental model is the right
> one", which is not necessarily true for everyone (and not necessarily true
> generally). Taking your arguments a bit further, Python 2.6 and 2.7 are
> di
- Original Message -
> On 23/07/13 03:16 -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:
> > - Original Message -
> >> On 19/07/13 02:41 -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:
> >>> - Original Message -
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:24:22AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote:
> > FAQ:
> > Q: Why
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Billy Crook wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Matthew Miller
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:18:47AM -0500, Billy Crook wrote:
>>> > Since it _isn't_ served via DHCP in any environment I'm aware of, that's
>>> > not
>>> > actually useful.
>>> Nice
Le Mer 24 juillet 2013 08:30, drago01 a écrit :
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Billy Crook wrote:
>> Default should include what people 'generally expect of a GNU+Linux
>> system' -- and that includes an MTA.
>
> Citation needed. Given that one very distribution with a very big
> userbase do
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