On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 09:52:04 -0500
Troy Dawson wrote:
> I'm pretty sure at the very least we need to update the various mongo
> drivers (rubygem-mongo, pymongo, etc..)
Well, I suppose can rebuild iwhd in F17 and bump Requires: mongo >= 2.2.
Not ideal in a stable release, but it you think it's ok
> * /root was initially on a root partition because 'root' user should be
> able to login even when all other FS (including /usr) are not mounted.
> Since now it can't do anything without /usr anyway, /root dir don't have
> to be in /.
As an example of why this is a bad idea...
I have a file ser
https://fedorahosted.org/389/ticket/446
https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/446/0001-Ticket-446-anonymous-limits-are-being-applied-to-dir.patch
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On Tue, 09.10.12 10:54, Seth Vidal (skvi...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Matthew Miller wrote:
>
> >On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:18:27AM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
> >>You'll need to get the packaging team on board with it. I have to
> >>say it is pretty much non-existent
On Tue, 09.10.12 14:41, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" (johan...@gmail.com) wrote:
> "|CHANGES WITH 194: * If /etc/vconsole.conf is non-existent or empty
> we will no longer load any console font or key map at boot by
> default. Instead the kernel defaults will be left intact. This is
> definitely the ri
On Tue, 09.10.12 15:19, Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) wrote:
> On 09/10/12 15:04, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>
> >h) It's much shorter to type: "journalctl" than "less
> >/var/log/messages". "journalctl -n" is shorter than "tail
> >/var/log/messages". And "journalctl -f" is shorter than "ta
On Tue, 09.10.12 15:35, Bryn M. Reeves (b...@redhat.com) wrote:
> On 10/09/2012 03:19 PM, Tom Hughes wrote:
> > While "less" helpfully wraps your log lines at the edge of your terminal
> > journalctl unhelpfully truncates them or, if -a is used, makes you use
> > left/right cursor to scroll back
On 10/09/2012 08:15 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Tue, 09.10.12 10:54, Seth Vidal (skvi...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:18:27AM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
You'll need to get the packaging team on board with it. I have to
s
On 10/09/2012 04:40 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
Sure, a fine example. That's an tech-industry-wide disruptive shift.
Companies_are_ spending money on investing in it, because they expect to
get significant returns, savings, and a competitive advantage. Many of the
companies and products springing
On Tue, 09.10.12 09:41, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote:
> Once upon a time, Bryn M. Reeves said:
> > Agreed: I find this irritating too (and the default SYSTEMD_PAGER _is_
> > less so I'm not sure how it's being run).
> >
> > Setting PIPE or piping to a pager is even worse - the lines ar
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 07:15:54PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > >If we can save space in the minimal cloud image, it seems worth doing to
> > >me.
> > >Looks like in the current EC2 instance, it's about 35M (minus a few K for
> > >licenses).
> > 35M? That feels a lot like 'meh' to me.
> It
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On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:36:16AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 12:30:30 -0400
> "Eric H. Christensen" wrote:
>
> > Is there any way to determine if anyone is using a particular package
> > in Fedora or EPEL?
>
> Ask them? ;)
>
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 05:19:48PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> Out of which of the ca 500 linux distributions which contain wide
> variety of init system are they trying to minimize their transition
> from?
Okay. Sure, let's just pick two:
Fedora
RHEL
> This sample of your makes
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:16:16PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 09.10.12 09:09, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote:
>
> > Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said:
> > > If people want some pixel-perfect copy of the traditional
> > > /var/log/messages, then they should just run
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On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 12:51:26PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 12:30:30PM -0400, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
> > Is there any way to determine if anyone is using a particular package in
> > Fedora or EPEL?
>
> Yes, for certai
On Tue, 09.10.12 15:45, Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) wrote:
> On 09/10/12 15:35, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
> >On 10/09/2012 03:19 PM, Tom Hughes wrote:
> >
> >>More importantly though, what is the equivalent of "fgrep xxx
> >>/var/log/messages" which is certainly pretty much the most common thing
> >>
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:43:33PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 09.10.12 13:31, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 12:24:03PM +0200, Milan Broz wrote:
> > > - systemd-udev
> >
> > +1 .. udev should really be a separate package again.
>
> OK,
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:16:16PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>> On Tue, 09.10.12 09:09, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote:
>>
>> > Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said:
>> > > If people want some pixel-perfect copy of th
On Tue, 09.10.12 09:38, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote:
> Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said:
> > On Tue, 09.10.12 09:09, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote:
> > > Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said:
> > > > If people want some pixel-perfect copy of the traditional
> >
On Tue, 09.10.12 13:28, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 07:15:54PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > >If we can save space in the minimal cloud image, it seems worth doing to
> > > >me.
> > > >Looks like in the current EC2 instance, it's about 35M (
On 10/09/2012 05:18 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Tue, 09.10.12 14:41, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" (johan...@gmail.com) wrote:
"|CHANGES WITH 194: * If /etc/vconsole.conf is non-existent or empty
we will no longer load any console font or key map at boot by
default. Instead the kernel defaults w
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 07:34:50PM +0200, drago01 wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:16:16PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> >> On Tue, 09.10.12 09:09, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote:
> >>
> >> > Once upon a time, Lennart Po
On Tue, 09.10.12 18:37, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 07:34:50PM +0200, drago01 wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Richard W.M. Jones
> > wrote:
> > > On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:16:16PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 09.10.12 09:
On Tue, 09.10.12 18:33, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:43:33PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Tue, 09.10.12 13:31, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 12:24:03PM +0200, Milan Broz wrote:
> > > > - sys
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 20:20 +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote:
> On 10/09/2012 08:15 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Tue, 09.10.12 10:54, Seth Vidal (skvi...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Matthew Miller wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:18:27AM -04
On Tue, 09.10.12 16:25, Milan Broz (mb...@redhat.com) wrote:
> On 10/09/2012 03:42 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Tue, 09.10.12 12:24, Milan Broz (mb...@redhat.com) wrote:
> >
> >> - systemd-cryptsetup
> >> (generally, to be able to install system without
> >> cryptsetup->device-mapper l
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 10:41 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On 10/05/2012 01:32 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote:
> > mod_python -- An embedded Python interpreter for the Apache HTTP Server
>
> Last I heard, this was a dead project. Probably it's time to retire this
> one in favor of mod_wsgi.
FWIW mod_py
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 07:27:19PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> That all said, the color and autopaging is disabled automatically if you
> pipe the tools to something that is not a tty. You can also enable this
> via command line args, and env vars. This is similar to man or git. If
As long
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 19:39 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 09.10.12 18:33, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:43:33PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > On Tue, 09.10.12 13:31, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote:
> > >
> > > >
On Tue, 09.10.12 10:45, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
> > i) You always see the full set of logs you have access to. No need
> >anymore to to look through /var/log/messages, /var/log/secure and so
> >on one individually. And you get all of this nicely interleaved.
>
> A
On Tue, 09.10.12 11:00, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 10:45:24AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > > c) it auto-pages if run on a tty
> > Hmmm. That's not necessarily what people are expecting, but okay.
>
> To expand on this: there is a general expecta
On 10/09/2012 08:39 PM, David Malcolm wrote:
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 20:20 +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote:
On 10/09/2012 08:15 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Tue, 09.10.12 10:54, Seth Vidal (skvi...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at
On Tue, 09.10.12 11:30, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 05:24:42PM +0200, Richard Marko wrote:
> > > Compared to the other things I mentioned this is less important (because
> > > hey, sysadmins can learn new ways!), but I wanted to elaborate on where
>
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 01:39:40PM -0400, David Malcolm wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 20:20 +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote:
> >
> > # A colon separated list of desired locales to be installed;
> > # "all" means install all locale specific files.
> > #
> > %_install_langs all
>
> Is thi
On Tue, 09.10.12 13:49, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 19:39 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Tue, 09.10.12 18:33, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:43:33PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 09.10.
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 01:29:04PM -0400, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
> I'd be nice if there was a way for the client to report what
> packages they have installed (voluntarily, opt-in of course)
Debian have a nice system called popcon which essentially does this.
You voluntarily install the packag
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 08:01:16PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 09.10.12 13:49, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 19:39 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > On Tue, 09.10.12 18:33, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Oc
Respected Sir,
I am seriously considering developing for the Fedora Linux Operating System.
Also, I have interest in participating in Google Summer of Code 2013 under your
organisation.
I have knowledge of C, PHP, Javascript, Python(basic) and Objective-C
Programming Languages. I am willing to
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 01:29:04PM -0400, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
> Well, if I don't know *if* it's being used I certainly can't ask the
> unknown masses. :) I was just looking at some of the packages I recently
> adopted and noted that many of them seem to have dead or dying upstream.
> That is
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 11:34:46PM +0530, Rohit wrote:
> Also, I have been using Fedora Operating system since 2 Years. So,
> Please Guide me in the Right Direction and tell me what All I need
> to learn for the purpose.
There are lots of skills that people can bring to Fedora. I would
recommend
On Tue, 09.10.12 10:31, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:05:10PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Tue, 09.10.12 09:49, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
> > > allowing regular users to do so. (Commonly currently accomplished by
>
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 20:57 +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote:
> On 10/09/2012 08:39 PM, David Malcolm wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 20:20 +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote:
> >> On 10/09/2012 08:15 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> >>> /usr/lib/locale and /usr/share/locale are 148M of my 434M container
>
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 20:17 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > Could we make that a default on Fedora in addition to adm? (I assume
> this is
> > polkit but can't see it offhand -- hmmm... looks to be hard-coded in
> the
> > source?) I don't really have a strong opinion about whether adm
> should
On 10/09/2012 05:55 AM, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote:
From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
I personally want to see the documentation releng/fesco has about what
the default minimal set, what the process is to have something
include,excluded from it and why the packages that exist in it are there
On Tue, 09.10.12 14:26, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 20:17 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > Could we make that a default on Fedora in addition to adm? (I assume
> > this is
> > > polkit but can't see it offhand -- hmmm... looks to be hard-coded in
> > the
> > >
Thank You Very Much For Your Reply.
I am Interested in the OS Developer Category.
The Description of Programming i need to know for OS Development is not clear.
What All programming languages should i know for OS Development ?
One More Thing, I would like to know. The Fedora's GSoC 2012 Page
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On 10/09/2012 04:01 PM, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:13 AM, tim.laurid...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>> +1 to Richard, I really don't see the purpose, why does it matter that
>> number of dirs in /. Lot of apps will break if you mo
Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said:
> Only users in the "adm" group can see system logs and logs of
> other users.
Is this configurable (if so, how)? For example, all the "wheel is
special" behavior I am aware of is configurable (e.g. PAM config,
visudo).
Also: what is the equivalent for
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:08:58AM +0530, Rohit wrote:
> Thank You Very Much For Your Reply.
>
> I am Interested in the OS Developer Category.
>
> The Description of Programming i need to know for OS Development is
> not clear. What All programming languages should i know for OS
> Development ?
On Tue, 09.10.12 13:40, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote:
> Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said:
> > Only users in the "adm" group can see system logs and logs of
> > other users.
>
> Is this configurable (if so, how)? For example, all the "wheel is
> special" behavior I am aware of
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 08:17:41PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> Well, I'd say this differently: we _restrict_ access to "adm", in
> contrast to the previous logic where everybody was allowed to read
> /var/log/messages and only root /var/log/secure.
Well except they're both not readable in c
On Tue, 09.10.12 17:25, Panu Matilainen (pmati...@laiskiainen.org) wrote:
> >Can I pass this somehow to yum? Or do I have to creat a macro file for
> >this?
>
> You can set it in yum.conf (tsflags=nodocs), but then rpm wont know
> about it (so if you install directly with rpm, it'll still install
On Tue, 09.10.12 20:20, Panu Matilainen (pmati...@laiskiainen.org) wrote:
> >It's 28M of my 434M F18 container image. i.e. 6.5% of the disk space.
> >
> >/usr/lib/locale and /usr/share/locale are 148M of my 434M container
> >image, i.e. 35%. I wonder if we could do something about that. Is there
>
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 11:51:56AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On 10/09/2012 11:07 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> >On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 01:29:04PM -0400, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
> >>Well, if I don't know *if* it's being used I certainly can't ask the
> >>unknown masses. :) I was just looking a
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 20:34 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 09.10.12 14:26, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 20:17 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > > Could we make that a default on Fedora in addition to adm? (I assume
> > > this is
> > > > polkit bu
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 08:17:41PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 09.10.12 10:31, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
>
> > On a related but tangental note: I notice that journalctl allows access to
> > members of the admin group by default.
>
> Well, I'd say this differ
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Lennart Poettering wrote:
Rotation happens in-line, i.e. each time before we are about to write an
entry we check if rotation is necessary and execute it. This should make
things a lot more robust, as this fixes a common issue with syslog where
a lot of data generated in bu
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Tue, 09.10.12 20:20, Panu Matilainen (pmati...@laiskiainen.org) wrote:
It's 28M of my 434M F18 container image. i.e. 6.5% of the disk space.
/usr/lib/locale and /usr/share/locale are 148M of my 434M container
image, i.e. 35%. I wonder if we
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:14:06PM -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
> This must be changed. Many policies at IT departments world wide
> have a date-based requirement, not a disk space size.
> It is simply unacceptable.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=864629
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On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 12:11:30PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> That doesn't distinguish between atime of launching or reading the
> library vs accessing it to back it up or prelink, or...?
We could turn off prelink. :)
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> I am seriously considering developing for the Fedora Linux Operating
> System.
I would suggest that you try to get involved in more upstream (eg., GNOME)
projects instead of a distribution. That way you are higher up the food chain
and effect change on a wider and deeper scale.
Best of luck.
H
Am 09.10.2012 19:19, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> On Tue, 09.10.12 15:19, Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) wrote:
>
>> On 09/10/12 15:04, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>>
>>> h) It's much shorter to type: "journalctl" than "less
>>>/var/log/messages". "journalctl -n" is shorter than "tail
>>>/v
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 21:29 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 09.10.2012 19:19, schrieb Lennart Poettering:
> > On Tue, 09.10.12 15:19, Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) wrote:
> >
> >> On 09/10/12 15:04, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> >>
> >>> h) It's much shorter to type: "journalctl" than "less
> >>>
On 10/09/2012 02:17 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Tue, 09.10.12 10:31, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:05:10PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
?> On Tue, 09.10.12 09:49, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
allowing regular users to d
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 12:28:02PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> Does that distinguish between atime of launching the application or
> reading the library into another application vs accessing it to back
> it up, prelink it, or any other systemic read unrelated to the
> package itself?
I don't thi
On Tue, 09.10.12 15:14, Seth Vidal (skvi...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
> >Seth, any chance we can get this exposed on the yum cmdline somehow? I'd
> >really like to use this on the yum command line to install a container
> >with "--installroot", and having to edit the host rpmrc for that really
> >
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 07:51:30PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> To summarize:
>
> Previously: /var/log/secure readable only for root, /var/log/messages
> readable for everybody and including data from everybody.
Currently (Fedora 17 and before) /var/log/message is only readably by
root.
R
> From: Jesse Keating
> On 10/09/2012 05:55 AM, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote:
> >> From: "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
> >
> >> I personally want to see the documentation releng/fesco has about
what
> >> the default minimal set, what the process is to have something
> >> include,excluded from it and wh
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On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 12:28:02PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> Perhaps some
> invalid data is better than no data at all.
Okay, that made me laugh more than it should have. Can I use that in the
future?
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On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:55:30PM -0400, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote:
> So maybe I should say that I think Fedora has always had it just about
> right, IMHO. A very small, but functional system ready to grow and can do
> so with its own tools.
Yeah, but there's _so much_ room to quibble over w
> From: Matthew Miller
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:55:30PM -0400, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote:
> > So maybe I should say that I think Fedora has always had it just about
> > right, IMHO. A very small, but functional system ready to grow and
can do
> > so with its own tools.
>
> Yeah, but th
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On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 01:31:41PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On 10/09/2012 01:01 PM, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
> >On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 12:28:02PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> >>>Perhaps some
> >>>invalid data is better than no data at all.
> >
On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:31 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> (Apparently Apple does the same thing? Not that that's directly relevant,
> but we're not completely out in the weeds here.)
Admin users are place in group admin. Not wheel. Only root is in wheel.
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On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 20:47 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 09.10.12 13:40, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote:
>
> > Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said:
> > > Only users in the "adm" group can see system logs and logs of
> > > other users.
> >
> > Is this configurable (if
On Oct 9, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 09.10.12 15:35, Bryn M. Reeves (b...@redhat.com) wrote:
>> Setting PIPE or piping to a pager is even worse - the lines are
>> truncated at 77 chars regardless of the term width so for now I'm
>> running journalctl --no-pager -a | le
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On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 01:43:35PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On 10/09/2012 01:41 PM, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
> >>I license the above content under the WTFPL.
> >>>
> >>>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:WTFPL
> >That seems to be an open s
# F18 Beta Blocker Review meeting #3
# Date: 2012-10-10
# Time: 16:00 UTC [1] (12:00 EDT, 09:00 PDT)
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Given the current count of proposed blockers, I imagine that we will
end up having two meetings again this week. Unless there are objections
or we manage
On Tue, 09.10.12 16:53, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
> > > Also: what is the equivalent for logrotate in the systemd journal
> > > case?
> >
> > Rotation happens in-line, i.e. each time before we are about to write an
> > entry we check if rotation is necessary and execute it. This should
On Tue, 09.10.12 14:57, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote:
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> On Oct 9, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
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> > On Tue, 09.10.12 15:35, Bryn M. Reeves (b...@redhat.com) wrote:
> >> Setting PIPE or piping to a pager is even worse - the lines are
> >> truncated at 77 chars r
As per the Fedora 18 schedule [1], Fedora 18 Beta Test Compose 3 (TC3)
is now available for testing. Content information, including changes,
can be found at https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5349#comment:5 .
Please see the following pages for download links (including delta ISOs)
and testing
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 11:26:19PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> Well, you have to actually enable the journal on persistent storage
> first. Try "mkdir /var/log/journal". Without that we will only keep a
> very small set of logs in RAM, so that things are flushed out quickly.
So, minutes bef
On 9 October 2012 15:24, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 09.10.12 16:53, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
> If you want audit-like semantics with crashing if we cannot write, then
> use something else, not the journal. The journal is supposed to be
> robust and do the right thing so that y
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:41:51PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> > If you want audit-like semantics with crashing if we cannot write, then
> > use something else, not the journal. The journal is supposed to be
> > robust and do the right thing so that you can leave it unnatteneded and
> > wh
On 9 October 2012 15:50, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:41:51PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> > If you want audit-like semantics with crashing if we cannot write, then
>> > use something else, not the journal. The journal is supposed to be
>> > robust and do the right t
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:41 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On 9 October 2012 15:24, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Tue, 09.10.12 16:53, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > If you want audit-like semantics with crashing if we cannot write, then
> > use something else, not the journal
On Tue, 09.10.12 15:41, Stephen John Smoogen (smo...@gmail.com) wrote:
> On 9 October 2012 15:24, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Tue, 09.10.12 16:53, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > If you want audit-like semantics with crashing if we cannot write, then
> > use something else, not th
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:57 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On 9 October 2012 15:50, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:41:51PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> >> > If you want audit-like semantics with crashing if we cannot write, then
> >> > use something else, not th
On 9 October 2012 16:08, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 09.10.12 15:41, Stephen John Smoogen (smo...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
>> On 9 October 2012 15:24, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>> > On Tue, 09.10.12 16:53, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
>>
>> > If you want audit-like semantics with crashi
On 9 October 2012 17:18, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 15:57 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> On 9 October 2012 15:50, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> > On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:41:51PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> >> > If you want audit-like semantics with crashing if we c
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:20:14PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> > "If you have strict requirements on time-based logging rotation or
> > certain audit requirements, then something like rsyslog(?) is required
> > in parallel with the journal. In most other cases (desktops, tablets,
> > many
On 9 October 2012 16:24, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 04:20:14PM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> > "If you have strict requirements on time-based logging rotation or
>> > certain audit requirements, then something like rsyslog(?) is required
>> > in parallel with the journ
Hallo,
unfortunately, I have missed the discussion of the introduction of the
new systemd rpm macros as a new packaging gueidlines.
From my point of view this new set of macros has two disadvantages:
1. The macros are depending on systemd
2. The most commont restart case has a more
complicat
On 10/09/2012 10:08 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
With the feature I am planning to propose for F19:
Which in essence is the same as I proposed for F18 ( Although for
completely different purposes ).
There was absolutely nothing preventing this feature having been
accepted and those changed
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo
meeting Wednesday at 17:00UTC (1:00pm EDT) in #fedora-meeting on
irc.freenode.net.
Links to all tickets below can be found at:
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9
= Followups =
#topic #946 Fedora 18 Beta freeze readiness: i
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 10:06 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote:
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> On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Matthew Miller wrote:
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> > On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:18:25PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> >> To build such an image I'd really would have preferred not installing
> >> the docs. It appears rpm once had a featu
On 10/09/2012 11:34 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Tue, 09.10.12 14:26, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
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>> On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 20:17 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>>> Well, we could of course add this as ACL, but I wonder if it wouldn't
>>> be
>>> nicer to declare that "adm" is for
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 17:34 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 10/09/2012 05:18 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Tue, 09.10.12 14:41, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" (johan...@gmail.com) wrote:
> >
> >> "|CHANGES WITH 194: * If /etc/vconsole.conf is non-existent or empty
> >> we will no longer
On 10/09/2012 05:19 PM, J. Randall Owens wrote:
> Just on the naming, I'd rather steer clear of the actual concept, let me
> get this straight: You want a group called "adm", presumably short for
> "administrator", the point of which is that it can view system things,
> but not actually *administer
On Oct 9, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> there's no simple 'install all those
> docs that got left out' command.
That is icky. I would like a minimal install base with a docs add-on. Is this a
possibility for newui anaconda in the F18 time frame?
Choose your environment
On 10/09/2012 05:55 PM, Josh Stone wrote:
> On 10/09/2012 05:19 PM, J. Randall Owens wrote:
>> Just on the naming, I'd rather steer clear of the actual concept, let me
>> get this straight: You want a group called "adm", presumably short for
>> "administrator", the point of which is that it can vie
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