On 08/27/2010 10:44 AM, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> 1. I noticed that one can no longer (with v8-2) turn off the computer by
> clicking the
> 'turn off computer' button in KDE. I figured out, with help of recent
> threads, that one
> has to run: systemctl isolate poweroff.target. It worked.
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 12:41 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 08/27/2010 10:44 AM, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> > 1. I noticed that one can no longer (with v8-2) turn off the computer by
> > clicking the
> > 'turn off computer' button in KDE. I figured out, with help of recent
> > threads, tha
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Manuel Escudero wrote:
>
> Hi! I've been working in a project called "Hermes" (For more information
> refer to: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Hermes) The idea is to build a Feed
> Parser
> customizable by the user that notifies when there are important news... As
26.08.2010 18:34, Chen Lei пишет:
> I've have several review requests that have been sitting around for a while
> now. Many of them are new dependencies for existing packages in
> fedora, anyone want to swap?
>
> EmfEngine(new dep for qtiplot 0.9.8.1):
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_
$ rpmdev-newspec -t perl
produce template where, inter alia we have such lines:
%{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
OPTIMIZE="$RPM_OPT_FLAGS"
make %{?_smp_mflags}
On 2010-08-27, Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus) wrote:
>
> %{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
> OPTIMIZE="$RPM_OPT_FLAGS"
>
> make %{?_smp_mflags}
>
> I'm wonder why there used mix of macros %{__perl} and plain other
> commands like make?
Because you cannot have macro for each shell comma
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 02:44:15PM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
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> On 08/26/2010 01:18 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 01:04:33PM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't know. My goal with sandbox was to allow use
tor 2010-08-26 klockan 13:27 -0700 skrev Jesse Keating:
>
> "Matej Cepl" wrote:
>
> >Jesse Keating, Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:44:34 -0700:
> >> I just submitted updates for el5 and f1{2,3,4} as well as a build for
> >> rawhide (f15) of a new fedpkg build. Here is a summary from the rpm:
> >
> >EL6?
>
27.08.2010 13:08, Petr Pisar ?:
> On 2010-08-27, Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus)
> wrote:
>> %{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
>> OPTIMIZE="$RPM_OPT_FLAGS"
>>
>> make %{?_smp_mflags}
>>
>> I'm wonder why there used mix of macros %{__perl} and plain other
>> commands like make?
> Be
2010/8/27 Jesse Keating :
> That's strange. I use it on my laptop, which has a caching local DNS
> server (dnsmasq) and it works just fine. I do have a script in
> /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/ that waits for bringup and vpn bring
> up to make adjustments to the running local DNS server (whic
Kevin Kofler, Thu, 26 Aug 2010 19:59:00 +0200:
> 1. Not everyone uses GNOME.
I believe KDE should have something equivalent ... don't you have a tool
for managing multiple screens/heads?
> 3. What if you can't bring up X in the first place?
Somebody suggested Xorg -configure but the main point
On 08/27/2010 10:28 AM, Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus) wrote:
> $ rpmdev-newspec -t perl
> produce template where, inter alia we have such lines:
> %{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
> OPTIMIZE="$RPM_OPT_FLAGS"
>
> make %{?_smp_mflags}
>
> I'm wonder why there used mix of macros %{__per
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 18:09 -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> What more do you want an MTA to do at install? It was decided a long
> time ago that the MTA shouldn't listen for remote SMTP connections by
> default. Pretty much any other thing I can think of (such as
> delivering root mail to a non-root
27.08.2010 13:58, Ralf Corsepius пишет:
> On 08/27/2010 10:28 AM, Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus) wrote:
>> $ rpmdev-newspec -t perl
>> produce template where, inter alia we have such lines:
>> %{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
>> OPTIMIZE="$RPM_OPT_FLAGS"
>>
>> make %{?_smp_mflags}
>>
On Thursday, August 26, 2010 08:17:14 pm Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 06:30 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> >
> > I have to agree with Kevin here (!). Employing a notification system in
> > parallel to the ones already
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:43:41AM +0200, Thomas Moschny wrote:
> 2010/8/27 Jesse Keating :
> > That's strange. I use it on my laptop, which has a caching local DNS
> > server (dnsmasq) and it works just fine. I do have a script in
> > /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/ that waits for bringup and
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 07:09:30PM +0200, Lorenzo Villani wrote:
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> On 08/26/2010 03:29 PM, Petr Sabata wrote:
> >
> >> Looks like something I've been looking for ;)
> >> Taken. (F14 & rawhide)
>
> I can release ownership on F-12 and F-13 too,
Compose started at Fri Aug 27 08:15:37 UTC 2010
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Chris Adams wrote:
> sendmail has always worked out of the box for some things, including
> sending mail from local programs to remote email addresses
I thought this was a speed trip to spamhaus' lists (the `localhost'
part I've found). I had to get my machine off of it when I failed to
setup KMa
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:03:06AM -0500, Garrett Holmstrom wrote:
> At the time the install images are composed the release's EOL date has
> not yet been decided, so we would be stuck with guessing a date and
> hoping it will be somewhat close.
Give it a year, and it's still better than the cur
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 05:39:10PM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> As Notting pointed out, not everything that goes into -testing makes it
> into stable, and even then some would say waiting for -testing is too
> late, and things in dist-f14-updates-candidate (eg the fresh builds)
> should go into ra
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On 08/27/2010 05:22 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 02:44:15PM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
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>> On 08/26/2010 01:18 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
>>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at
Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) said:
> I'm willing to sacrifice my stable rawhide desktop system in the name of
> getting Fedora more testing. Where should this discussion be had?
FESCo. rel-eng will implement it (it's a one-line koji command), but the
decision isn't really rel-eng's to make
Petrus de Calguarium (kwhisk...@gmail.com) said:
> 1. I noticed that one can no longer (with v8-2) turn off the computer by
> clicking the
> 'turn off computer' button in KDE. I figured out, with help of recent
> threads, that one
> has to run: systemctl isolate poweroff.target. It worked. Is
Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) said:
> Once upon a time, Garrett Holmstrom said:
> > While it may be debatable what benefit one might get from removing it
> > from the default install, can we at least remove MTAs from @core to help
> > make things easier for appliance folks? One can still go
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On 08/27/2010 08:17 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Matthew Miller (mat...@mattdm.org) said:
>> I'm willing to sacrifice my stable rawhide desktop system in the name of
>> getting Fedora more testing. Where should this discussion be had?
>
> FESCo. rel-
Matthew Miller wrote:
>
> What do the logs say?
>
Where are the logs? I looked in /var/log/ last night and there is no
system.log or
systemd.log file on my system.
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Once upon a time, Chuck Anderson said:
> NM can use old style /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-*. Can't
> you just write those out from your %post section? Or, if you want all
> the NM features like WPA wireless config, you can use the keyfile
> plugin to write NM ini-style key-value file
Thanks Rahul and Martin (other posts in this thread) :)
Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Petrus de Calguarium said:
>> 1. I noticed that one can no longer (with v8-2) turn off the computer by
>> clicking the 'turn off computer' button in KDE. I figured out, with help
>> of recent threads, that one has to
Compose started at Fri Aug 27 13:15:19 UTC 2010
Broken deps for x86_64
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PragmARC-20060427-6.fc13.i686 requires libgnarl-4.4.so
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On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 09:12:28PM +0100, Mark Chappell wrote:
> On 26/08/2010, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> > Just to be clear.. its the clickity nature of the initial system wide
> > configuration that is the barrier for you? if you had a reasonable
> > non-clickity way to add a system wide on-boot act
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:17:37AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> FESCo. rel-eng will implement it (it's a one-line koji command), but the
> decision isn't really rel-eng's to make unilaterally.
> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/452
Ahsome.
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On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 6:04 AM, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 18:09 -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
>> What more do you want an MTA to do at install? It was decided a long
>> time ago that the MTA shouldn't listen for remote SMTP connections by
>> default. Pretty much any other thing
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Ben Boeckel wrote:
> Chris Adams wrote:
>> sendmail has always worked out of the box for some things, including
>> sending mail from local programs to remote email addresses
>
> I thought this was a speed trip to spamhaus' lists (the `localhost'
> part I've found)
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:47:14AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > OK, I just updated to v8-3 and have the latest initscripts, too. I tried
> > to shut down twice (I invoked sudo systemctl daemon-reexec before the
> > second time), and I still cannot power down by clicking on the power off
> > but
Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
Forget the BS about dnsmasq not cacheing! I forgot to change /etc/resolv.conf
and was
still using the old one that uses the default nameservers.
So, the problem reduces to the Shut Off Computer button in KDE not working.
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Petrus de Calguarium (kwhisk...@gmail.com) said:
> So, the problem reduces to the Shut Off Computer button in KDE not working.
OK. So the question is ... what does this button do? Invoke 'halt'?
Invoke 'shutdown -h now'? Invoke ConsoleKit's Stop() method?
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On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 09:10:35 -0700,
Jesse Keating wrote:
> - -updates. A potential way to fix this is to have bodhi not /move/ the
> build from dist-f14-updates-candidate into -testing or -updates, but
> instead just add -testing or -updates as a secondary tag to the build.
> This should en
Matthew Miller wrote:
> And what do the shutdown and poweroff commands do?
>
OK, I'm back.
I ran shutdown (forgot to add -h now), so it took a bit, from within konsole.
It shut
off the system, without running plymouth.
To speed things up, I appended 3 (Lennard wrote that you can still to this
Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> dnsmasq does not appear to be working correctly.
This is odd. systemctl and systemctl status dnsmasq.service both show dnsmasq
as active
(running), but it is not cacheing. Could it be that it's not reading
/etc/dnsmasq.conf?
No, I don't think so (Privoxy does app
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 09:42:49AM -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> OK, I just updated to v8-3 and have the latest initscripts, too. I tried
> to shut down twice (I invoked sudo systemctl daemon-reexec before the
> second time), and I still cannot power down by clicking on the power off
> butto
"Mattias Ellert" wrote:
>tor 2010-08-26 klockan 13:27 -0700 skrev Jesse Keating:
>>
>> "Matej Cepl" wrote:
>>
>> >Jesse Keating, Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:44:34 -0700:
>> >> I just submitted updates for el5 and f1{2,3,4} as well as a build for
>> >> rawhide (f15) of a new fedpkg build. Here is a
#fedora-bugzappers: F-14-Beta blocker review
Meeting started by jlaska at 16:00:10 UTC. The full logs are available
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On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 09:10:35AM -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> I'll copy this to the ticket as well, but there are some non-trivial
> roadblocks to this.
Thanks for putting thought into it. I don't think it's at all urgent, but it
my exposure to packages which need testing.
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On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 09:56:15AM -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> > What do the logs say?
> Where are the logs? I looked in /var/log/ last night and there is no
> system.log or
> systemd.log file on my system.
It doesn't log separately -- it uses syslog. So look in the
/var/log/messages f
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:11:17AM -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> To speed things up, I appended 3 (Lennard wrote that you can still to this)
> to the
> kernel boot line in grub and ran poweroff. The system ran plymouth and
> powered off.
Wait, it fired up the graphical thing in order to
Bill Nottingham wrote:
> OK. So the question is ... what does this button do? Invoke 'halt'?
> Invoke 'shutdown -h now'? Invoke ConsoleKit's Stop() method?
>
Do I need to look in the logs for this? :-)
I think this is a question for the KDE guys, non?
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Matthew Miller wrote:
> It doesn't log separately -- it uses syslog. So look in the
> /var/log/messages file.
>
You know, I'm getting the hang of systemd. I like. I hope we're not going back
to sysv,
despite the grumbling. I just converted my scripts and this is easier, I think.
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On 27/08/2010, Chuck Anderson wrote:
> NM can use old style /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-*. Can't
> you just write those out from your %post section?
Those would be the old school files I was referring to, I hadn't found
the NH-rh plugin, but as long as the RH network init script exists
On 27/08/2010, Mark Chappell wrote:
> On 27/08/2010, Chuck Anderson wrote:
>> NM can use old style /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-*. Can't
>> you just write those out from your %post section?
>
> Those would be the old school files I was referring to, I hadn't found
> the NH-rh plugin, but
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Summary: Needs to BR version.pm for EPEL build
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=628046
Summary: Needs to BR version.pm for EPEL build
Product: Fedo
On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 17:06 -0400, seth vidal wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 16:47 -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 04:15:12PM -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
> > >> It would be good to define such a nonstandard abbrev
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 06:56:33PM +0100, Mark Chappell wrote:
> I should point out that if NM gained a CLI so that I could do
> something like that then I wouldn't mind the old RH scripts going
> away, all I want is *a* method that I can automate easily, NM
> currently only has a bit of a hack to
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Ben Boeckel wrote:
>
> Don't they share a D-Bus API these days?
>
they do.
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>
> Why? Just use system dbus notifications and you're done. But as I suggested -
> it
> should be used only for critical notifi
On 27/08/2010, Till Maas wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 06:56:33PM +0100, Mark Chappell wrote:
>
>> I should point out that if NM gained a CLI so that I could do
>> something like that then I wouldn't mind the old RH scripts going
>> away, all I want is *a* method that I can automate easily, NM
On 08/27/2010 02:22 PM, Mark Chappell wrote:
> On 27/08/2010, Till Maas wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 06:56:33PM +0100, Mark Chappell wrote:
>>
>>> I should point out that if NM gained a CLI so that I could do
>>> something like that then I wouldn't mind the old RH scripts going
>>> away, all
On 27/08/2010, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
> On 08/27/2010 02:22 PM, Mark Chappell wrote:
>> Indeed, which would be useless for my use case. I may of course be
>> the only one doing such things, but I suspect that at the very least
>> Jon may be too...
>
> I assume nmcli doesn't meet the requireme
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 20:07 +0200, Björn Sund wrote:
> repoquery --whatprovides MDA
> repoquery --whatprovides MUA
Honestly, I think things like that would be better off as pkgtags on the
pkgs in the pkgdb!
-sv
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On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 07:30:11PM +0100, Mark Chappell wrote:
> On 27/08/2010, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
> > On 08/27/2010 02:22 PM, Mark Chappell wrote:
> >> Indeed, which would be useless for my use case. I may of course be
> >> the only one doing such things, but I suspect that at the very l
On 27/08/2010, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> NM doesn't (yet?) support:
> - bridges: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=558982
> - vlans: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492377
That would explain why I couldn't figure out how to do it :)
> Nb. there is following feature:
> http://
In accordance with the normal process, the following packages have been
orphaned for Fedora 14 and rawhide.
JSDoc
bzr-gtk
cdf
crun
django-authopenid
drpython
fedora-security-guide-en-US
fet
fish
gg2
gnomecatalog
gperiodic
impressive
kasablanca
kflickr
lazygal
libmspack
mapbender
mediawiki-HNP
medi
Hello,
I have no regular need to use cvsps any more, so I've released its ownership
in pkgdb for the branches where I was the primary owner. There are co-
maintainers for it, but they did not respond to my mail about whether they'd
like to pick it up earlier this week, so I'm posting here in ca
Once upon a time, Tom spot Callaway said:
> I assume nmcli doesn't meet the requirements?
nmcli manages connections (up/down), but AFAIK doesn't support
configuring them or creating new connections. I didn't find a CLI tool
for creating/configuring NM connections other than the universal "vi"
(b
Al Dunsmuir writes:
> Let's not forget that NM is not suitable for someone running a local
> DNS server (bind with DNSSEC enabled). It also does not work at all
> when used on a laptop as a caching DNS.
Doesn't NetworkManager respect PEERDNS=no? As I understand it, it does
read ifcfg-whatev
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On 08/27/2010 02:43 AM, Thomas Moschny wrote:
> 2010/8/27 Jesse Keating :
>> That's strange. I use it on my laptop, which has a caching local DNS
>> server (dnsmasq) and it works just fine. I do have a script in
>> /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/ t
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 19:51 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Paul W. Frields wrote:
> > My hunch is that a couple thousand a week are probably due to cable
> > modems or laptops moving to addresses we simply haven't seen before.
> > That's about how many new IPs appear for Fedora 7 or Rawhide each
> >
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 16:37 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
>
> Ah yes, attack the symptom and not the disease. Yay. Let me let you in
> on a secret. Most people (and by which I mean, those not on this list)
> generally don't like re-installing or upgrading their computer every 6
> months. People insta
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 17:54 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 16:37 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
>
> >
> > Ah yes, attack the symptom and not the disease. Yay. Let me let you in
> > on a secret. Most people (and by which I mean, those not on this list)
> > generally don't like re
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Jon Masters wrote:
> Again, I feel it is necessary to have a survey of Fedora users.
> Preferably annually. And listen to the feedback. If they say "yep, we
> just love the churn, the number of updates" and so forth, then fine. If
> they say "actually we'd like les
"Jon Masters" wrote:
>On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 17:54 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
>> On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 16:37 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Ah yes, attack the symptom and not the disease. Yay. Let me let you in
>> > on a secret. Most people (and by which I mean, those not on this li
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 15:23 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> >Again, I feel it is necessary to have a survey of Fedora users.
> >Preferably annually. And listen to the feedback. If they say "yep, we
> >just love the churn, the number of updates" and so forth, then fine. If
> >they say "actually we'd
On 08/27/10 15:19, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Jon Masters wrote:
>> Again, I feel it is necessary to have a survey of Fedora users.
>> Preferably annually. And listen to the feedback. If they say "yep, we
>> just love the churn, the number of updates" and so forth, then
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 15:47 -0700, Bob Arendt wrote:
> I think it would be much better for Fedora to decide what it *should* be,
> specifically what the Fedora userspace should be, and excel at that.
> Don't follow the "market" or worry about being the most popular distro
> (unless that's really a
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 18:39 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 15:23 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
>
> > >Again, I feel it is necessary to have a survey of Fedora users.
> > >Preferably annually. And listen to the feedback. If they say "yep, we
> > >just love the churn, the number of
"Jon Masters" wrote:
>On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 15:47 -0700, Bob Arendt wrote:
>
>> I think it would be much better for Fedora to decide what it *should* be,
>> specifically what the Fedora userspace should be, and excel at that.
>> Don't follow the "market" or worry about being the most popular di
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Jon Masters wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 15:23 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
>
> > >Again, I feel it is necessary to have a survey of Fedora users.
> > >Preferably annually. And listen to the feedback. If they say "yep, we
> > >just love the churn, the number of updates" and s
On 08/27/2010 10:11 AM, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
> Where are the logs for systemd? In /var/log/messages, maybe?
I add systemd.log_target=kmsg systemd.log_level=debug as kernel
parameters to flesh out logging in /var/log/messages
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:52:30 -0400
Jon Masters wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 18:39 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 15:23 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> >
> > > >Again, I feel it is necessary to have a survey of Fedora users.
> > > >Preferably annually. And listen to the feedb
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 18:00 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Jon Masters wrote:
> > But I feel it is "design by committee" now, just the Open Source
> > version. A small group of people (f-d-l and similar) arbitrarily decide
> > what the userbase "wants" without asking them, and b
On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 17:54:37 -0400
Matthias Clasen wrote:
> Your attack is misguided, Jon. It is very much our responsibility to
> inform users that the software they install or use is no longer actively
> supported.
Inform, sure. But Kevin proposed an installer that would "just refuse
to instal
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 17:00 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:52:30 -0400
> Jon Masters wrote:
> > > So I'm filing another FESCo ticket as I type this. They can decide
> > > to reject my proposal again, in which case I will bring it up with
> > > the Fedora Board by way of appeal
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Bob Arendt wrote:
> Actually I think Fedora *should* articulate who the users are, basically
> design and express who and what Fedora is designed for.
> I think it would be much better for Fedora to decide what it *should* be,
> specifically what the Fedora usersp
Brendan Jones - I.T. wrote:
> On 08/27/2010 10:11 AM, Petrus de Calguarium wrote:
>> Where are the logs for systemd? In /var/log/messages, maybe?
> I add systemd.log_target=kmsg systemd.log_level=debug as kernel
> parameters to flesh out logging in /var/log/messages
>
Thanks. I think it is not
On 08/27/10 16:09, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Bob Arendt wrote:
>> Actually I think Fedora *should* articulate who the users are, basically
>> design and express who and what Fedora is designed for.
>
>> I think it would be much better for Fedora to decide what it *sho
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Bob Arendt wrote:
> On 08/27/10 16:09, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Bob Arendt wrote:
>>> Actually I think Fedora *should* articulate who the users are, basically
>>> design and express who and what Fedora is designed for.
>>
>>> I thin
On 8/27/2010 2:03 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> In accordance with the normal process, the following packages have been
> orphaned for Fedora 14 and rawhide.
Will packages with untouched FTBFS bugs also be removed like the normal
process dictates?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FTBFS#.28Proposed.2
On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 15:47 -0700, Bob Arendt wrote:
> On 08/27/10 15:19, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Jon Masters
> > wrote:
> >> Again, I feel it is necessary to have a survey of Fedora users.
> >> Preferably annually. And listen to the feedback. If they say "yep, we
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