On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 01:22:25PM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote:
> gnome3 was not driven by user feedbak. It was driven by getting vendors
> to install it on factory shipped netbooks.
Latter is not true.
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On 06/20/2011 07:22 PM, Paul Wouters wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2011, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
>> GNOME 3 menu has categories in the right as well but in any case, the
>> common apps are in the dash and using a keyboard with a search as you
>> type interface isn't the same as using bash. Let us not b
On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 13:22 -0400, Paul Wouters wrote:
> gnome3 was not driven by user feedbak. It was driven by getting vendors
> to install it on factory shipped netbooks.
ooh! another conspiracy theory for the collection! (takes note)
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On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 11:40 +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote:
> Remember how long it took for git to get from hated, complicated,
> I-dont-know-how-to-use-it thingamagic to best thing since sliced bread?
I'll let you know when I finally figure out how to use it ;)
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On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Probably not, but I wouldn't say they're equivalent. I don't think many
> people expect their desktop to have a screen recorder built in. I can't
> think of any other desktop that _does_. When I said Shell was fully
> mouse accessible I was
On 06/20/2011 01:22 PM, Paul Wouters wrote:
...
>
> gnome3 was not driven by user feedbak. It was driven by getting vendors
> to install it on factory shipped netbooks.
Perhaps, tho I suspect Android won that market already ... but perhaps
its worth a shot, things can change.
>
> Again, I'
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> GNOME 3 menu has categories in the right as well but in any case, the
> common apps are in the dash and using a keyboard with a search as you
> type interface isn't the same as using bash. Let us not be dramatic.
With "Everything" missing, most of it
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011, Evandro Giovanini wrote:
> I'm not really sure I get what you're asking for here. GNOME 3 does have
> the "classic" (Win95-like) design installed by default and all you have
> to do is enable fallback mode in order to use it.
1) I was not aware of "classic mode", it was clear
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:55:52AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 06/17/2011 11:36 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> > Dne 17.6.2011 11:14, Ralf Corsepius napsal(a):
> >> On 06/17/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> >>> Adam Williamson wrote:
> This is a common misapprehension, but it's not true. T
On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 10:00 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> Just to be clear, eould you also consider the binding the Prnt Scrn
> labeled keyboard key to the screenshot took as non-core easter egg
> functionality?
Probably not, but I wouldn't say they're equivalent. I don't think many
people expect
On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> That's a pretty unique example. It's really not core desktop
> functionality; it's an easter egg, really. I think it was initially put
> in purely for the use of GNOME PR / documentation people, and left in
> because it wasn't hurting anyth
On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 08:42 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > For more 'advanced' users, the keyboard shortcuts are there, and you're
> > probably going to want to use them if you don't want to gnaw your own
> > legs off out of boredom. No, th
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> For more 'advanced' users, the keyboard shortcuts are there, and you're
> probably going to want to use them if you don't want to gnaw your own
> legs off out of boredom. No, they're not particularly discoverable: it's
> very difficult to d
On 06/17/2011 11:36 PM, Evandro Giovanini wrote:
those who are want to rewrite/modify GNOME3.
>
> No, I'm not. There are several working extensions *today*, I'm simply
> suggesting that people not 100% satisfied with the default GNOME 3
> experience go out there and experiment with them.
>
> It'
Em Sex, 2011-06-17 às 22:47 -0400, Scott Schmit escreveu:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:31:43AM -0300, Evandro Giovanini wrote:
> > Em Sex, 2011-06-17 às 11:55 +0200, Ralf Corsepius escreveu:
> > > Well, it's obvious to me Gnome 3 is trying to immitate W7, OS X and iOS,
> > > but ... may-be you may
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:31:43AM -0300, Evandro Giovanini wrote:
> Em Sex, 2011-06-17 às 11:55 +0200, Ralf Corsepius escreveu:
> > Well, it's obvious to me Gnome 3 is trying to immitate W7, OS X and iOS,
> > but ... may-be you may want to think about why users are not using these
> > and are us
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:46:46 -0300
Evandro Giovanini wrote:
> Em Sex, 2011-06-17 às 15:21 -0400, Bernd Stramm escreveu:
> > On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:47:38 -0400
> > Casey Dahlin wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:32:12PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote:
> > > > So Gnome Shell is not for a good
> Perhaps the Gnome3 way of thinking is that calling up an additional
> application constitutes starting a new task in the work flow, so that
> the big interruption happens anyway. I don't think that is a good
> assumption for the design of a DE.
This is the sort of criticism that grants a clear
Em Sex, 2011-06-17 às 15:21 -0400, Bernd Stramm escreveu:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:47:38 -0400
> Casey Dahlin wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:32:12PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote:
> > > So Gnome Shell is not for a good many of the people who had been
> > > using Gnome before that.
> > >
> >
Evandro Giovanini wrote:
> Just curious, did you try any extensions when you played with GNOME 3?
No. I gave it 2 minutes at most, so no time to try any extensions. ;-)
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:47:38 -0400
Casey Dahlin wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:32:12PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote:
> > So Gnome Shell is not for a good many of the people who had been
> > using Gnome before that.
> >
>
> YES! I don't know why more people don't realize this: GNOME 2 was a
>
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 09:44 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 00:30 +0900, 夜神 岩男 wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 10:04 -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote:
> > > On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:33:18 +0900
> > > 夜神 岩男 wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Considering the frequent calls of "Gnome 3 has fa
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:41:21 -0600
Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:34, Bernd Stramm
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:16:46 -0600
> > Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:02, Casey Dahlin
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 01:05:08P
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:32:12PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote:
> So Gnome Shell is not for a good many of the people who had been using
> Gnome before that.
>
YES! I don't know why more people don't realize this: GNOME 2 was a
mediocre interface for a lot of people. It COULD NOT be a good interfac
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:34, Bernd Stramm wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:16:46 -0600
> Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:02, Casey Dahlin
>> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 01:05:08PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I think it fails on #1:
>> >>
>> >> > Ma
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:16:46 -0600
Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:02, Casey Dahlin
> wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 01:05:08PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote:
> >>
> >> I think it fails on #1:
> >>
> >> > Makes it easy for users to focus on their current task and
> >> >
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:25:53 -0400
Casey Dahlin wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:12:54PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote:
> > One could do that, but that would be an idiotic thing to do. So one
> > doesn't.
> >
>
> Its what you said. You explicitly want to divide your attention
> between multiple
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:12:54PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote:
> One could do that, but that would be an idiotic thing to do. So one
> doesn't.
>
Its what you said. You explicitly want to divide your attention between
multiple tasks. GNOME shell is for people who don't want to do that.
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Em Sex, 2011-06-17 às 19:33 +0200, Kevin Kofler escreveu:
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > I wonder why you recommend solutions you can't even get used to. In
> > terms of usability, it is not clear to me kickoff is doing a better job
> > at all. It is a rather convoluted way of organizing menu items
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 12:02, Casey Dahlin wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 01:05:08PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote:
>>
>> I think it fails on #1:
>>
>> > Makes it easy for users to focus on their current task and reduces
>> > distraction and interruption
>>
>> First, this point assumes that there i
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:02:14 -0400
Casey Dahlin wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 01:05:08PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote:
> >
> > I think it fails on #1:
> >
> > > Makes it easy for users to focus on their current task and reduces
> > > distraction and interruption
> >
> > First, this point assu
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 13:05 -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote:
> It all looks very pretty though.
Maybe someone can answer this...
All of the fade and animation effects that a lot of the
toolkits/desktops are using these days seem like they're making the
responsiveness substantially worse. I'm not refe
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 01:05:08PM -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote:
>
> I think it fails on #1:
>
> > Makes it easy for users to focus on their current task and reduces
> > distraction and interruption
>
> First, this point assumes that there is *one* current task. That is not
> how I work. I have on
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> I wonder why you recommend solutions you can't even get used to. In
> terms of usability, it is not clear to me kickoff is doing a better job
> at all. It is a rather convoluted way of organizing menu items and I
> had to switch it off and use the classic menu instead. I
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 19:09 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> > You can also of course use wheel scroll, or the trackpad
> > equivalent.
> My netbook doesn't have any such device - Just a simple touchpad and 2
> buttons. No mouse, no wheel, no fancy buttons.
The 'trackpad equivalent' is usually eit
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:43, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> Currently, when I open the giant application grid, I get oversized
>> meaningless pictures (yes, oversized - to even see the grid I had to
>> click on the "Applications" label, which is much smaller than the
>> icons),
>
> Yeah, I don't like
On 06/17/2011 06:21 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 11:14 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>> On 06/17/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>>> Adam Williamson wrote:
This is a common misapprehension, but it's not true. The reason for the
large icon grid is actually that the
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Domingo Becker wrote:
> The shortest way is by using keyboard, as Rahul says:
>
> 1. Press the key between Ctrl and Alt.
> 2. Type in what you search, at least the first letters. After that,
> some icons are shown and you may use up and down arrow keys to select.
>
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:44:45 -0700
Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 00:30 +0900, 夜神 岩男 wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 10:04 -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote:
> > > On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:33:18 +0900
> > > 夜神 岩男 wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Considering the frequent calls of "Gnome 3 has
On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 00:30 +0900, 夜神 岩男 wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 10:04 -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:33:18 +0900
> > 夜神 岩男 wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Considering the frequent calls of "Gnome 3 has failed at its task" or
> > > the "GUI has failed if the user must " ma
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 17:20 +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 01:19 +0200, Henrik Wejdmark wrote:
> >
> >> My impression is that GNOME3 is trying to compete with Android and
> >> FrontRow,
> >> but have forgotten all o
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 12:02 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > You can search for "bro" and among the results will be Nautilus and
> > Firefox (hint: Gnome Shell also searches in the application description,
> > and both are "bro"wsers).
>
> I can't believe real usability testing was done on th
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 11:14 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 06/17/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > Adam Williamson wrote:
> >> This is a common misapprehension, but it's not true. The reason for the
> >> large icon grid is actually that the developers did real world user
> >> research (yes,
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 10:04 -0400, Bernd Stramm wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:33:18 +0900
> 夜神 岩男 wrote:
>
>
> > Considering the frequent calls of "Gnome 3 has failed at its task" or
> > the "GUI has failed if the user must " makes me wonder: Where is
> > the task definition or specificati
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:59 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 01:19 +0200, Henrik Wejdmark wrote:
>
>> My impression is that GNOME3 is trying to compete with Android and FrontRow,
>> but have forgotten all of us who still uses desktops/laptops. We don't have
>> touch screens yet.
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:33:18 +0900
夜神 岩男 wrote:
> Considering the frequent calls of "Gnome 3 has failed at its task" or
> the "GUI has failed if the user must " makes me wonder: Where is
> the task definition or specification against which the implementation
> has failed?
>
> "Doesn't live
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:36:21 +0200
Vít Ondruch wrote:
>
> So in conclusion it is not that surprising at the end, that W7 and G3
> are pretty similar.
Tha's no excuse.
> Also the icons are getting bigger on both
> platforms.
Yes and the text labels are tiny. Most icons are useless, they a
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:21 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> ... you mean by "holy ghost intuition", feel tempted to press a key to
> access a hidden feature, where once was a simple feature?
The question really isn't whether or not to make use of the newer
keys. The real question is how to make it l
On 06/17/2011 07:08 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 06/17/2011 03:28 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> On 06/17/2011 06:51 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>>> ... you mean by "holy ghost intuition", feel tempted to press a key to
>>> access a hidden feature, where once was a simple feature?
>> Alt+F1 which was
On 06/17/2011 03:28 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 06/17/2011 06:51 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>> ... you mean by "holy ghost intuition", feel tempted to press a key to
>> access a hidden feature, where once was a simple feature?
>
> Alt+F1 which was the shortcut for accessing the menu still works.
On 06/17/2011 06:51 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> ... you mean by "holy ghost intuition", feel tempted to press a key to
> access a hidden feature, where once was a simple feature?
Alt+F1 which was the shortcut for accessing the menu still works. For
GUI users, they just hit the hot corner. For
On 06/17/2011 02:53 PM, Jared K. Smith wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>> With Gnome3 you 1stly have to tick on "Applications" (located left top
>> on the screen), then hit this tiny scroll bar located ca. 1 in/2cm left
>> of the right screen (not an easy task - Req
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 09:01:57AM -0300, Evandro Giovanini wrote:
> I would argue that simply typing a keyword related to the task you're
> trying to perform is far more effective and easier to use than manually
> browsing a long list of applications artificially categorized, specially
> in this a
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> With Gnome3 you 1stly have to tick on "Applications" (located left top
> on the screen), then hit this tiny scroll bar located ca. 1 in/2cm left
> of the right screen (not an easy task - Requires travelling almost the
> whole screen), then t
* Domingo Becker [17/06/2011 14:21] :
>
> Access through keyboard was something missing in previous GNOME. End
> users go faster if they only use keyboard (of course, the program and
> the desktop environment should be prepared for that).
Agreed. Before installing F15, I was sceptic about having t
Em Sex, 2011-06-17 às 13:43 +0200, Ralf Corsepius escreveu:
> On 06/17/2011 12:48 PM, Mathieu Bridon wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 12:20 +0200, Henrik Wejdmark wrote:
>
> > You can search for "bro" and among the results will be Nautilus and
> > Firefox (hint: Gnome Shell also searches in the ap
2011/6/17 Rahul Sundaram :
> On 06/17/2011 03:59 PM, Henrik Wejdmark wrote:
>> As has been stated earlier in this thread, having the hot spot in the top
>> left corner and categories far right causes a lot of mouse movements. Common
>> apps in the dash only opens the first instance, after that it s
On 17/06/11 12:17, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> On 06/17/2011 01:02 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>> I can't believe real usability testing was done on the final version
>> of GNOME 3. I keep hearing about all these completely undiscoverable
>> keyboard shortcuts that appear to be necessary to u
On 06/17/2011 12:48 PM, Mathieu Bridon wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 12:20 +0200, Henrik Wejdmark wrote:
> You can search for "bro" and among the results will be Nautilus and
> Firefox (hint: Gnome Shell also searches in the application description,
> and both are "bro"wsers).
A "keyword search"
On 06/17/2011 01:02 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:48:14PM +0800, Mathieu Bridon wrote:
>> On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 12:20 +0200, Henrik Wejdmark wrote:
> Since you recommend not using the application menu, in other words,
> you agree that the application menu is use
Dne 17.6.2011 12:29, Ralf Corsepius napsal(a):
> On 06/17/2011 12:16 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>> Dne 17.6.2011 11:57, Henrik Wejdmark napsal(a):
>> It is useful when you are looking for something and you don't know what
>> exactly it is. In that case, it is much much better then the previous
>> menus
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:48:14PM +0800, Mathieu Bridon wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 12:20 +0200, Henrik Wejdmark wrote:
> > > > Since you recommend not using the application menu, in other words,
> > > > you agree that the application menu is useless?
> > > >
> > >
> > > It is useful when you
On 06/17/2011 03:59 PM, Henrik Wejdmark wrote:
> As has been stated earlier in this thread, having the hot spot in the top
> left corner and categories far right causes a lot of mouse movements. Common
> apps in the dash only opens the first instance, after that it switches to
> the existing instan
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 12:20 +0200, Henrik Wejdmark wrote:
> > > Since you recommend not using the application menu, in other words,
> > > you agree that the application menu is useless?
> > >
> >
> > It is useful when you are looking for something and you don't know what
> > exactly it is. In that
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 15:50 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 06/17/2011 03:50 PM, Henrik Wejdmark wrote:
> > On my desktop it's not on "one" page, it's a mile long listing so you get no
> > overview at all. In Gnome2 at least all the apps are categorized. If the
> > graphical user interface _requi
Em Sex, 2011-06-17 às 11:55 +0200, Ralf Corsepius escreveu:
> On 06/17/2011 11:36 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> > Dne 17.6.2011 11:14, Ralf Corsepius napsal(a):
> >> On 06/17/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> >>> Adam Williamson wrote:
> This is a common misapprehension, but it's not true. The r
> GNOME 3 menu has categories in the right as well but in any case, the
> common apps are in the dash and using a keyboard with a search as you type
> interface isn't the same as using bash. Let us not be dramatic.
>
> Rahul
As has been stated earlier in this thread, having the hot spot in the
On 06/17/2011 12:16 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> Dne 17.6.2011 11:57, Henrik Wejdmark napsal(a):
> It is useful when you are looking for something and you don't know what
> exactly it is. In that case, it is much much better then the previous
> menus, because you have nice overview on one page and mor
On 06/17/2011 03:50 PM, Henrik Wejdmark wrote:
> On my desktop it's not on "one" page, it's a mile long listing so you get no
> overview at all. In Gnome2 at least all the apps are categorized. If the
> graphical user interface _requires_ you to use the keyboard to type the
> command it has failed
> > Since you recommend not using the application menu, in other words,
> > you agree that the application menu is useless?
> >
>
> It is useful when you are looking for something and you don't know what
> exactly it is. In that case, it is much much better then the previous
menus,
> because you
Dne 17.6.2011 11:57, Henrik Wejdmark napsal(a):
>> The workflow is:
>> 1) Move the mouse to the to left corner (move is enough, you don't have to
>> click. You even can drag and drop through activities, so learn to not
> click
>> there.)
>> 2) Type on the keyboard few character of the application n
On 06/17/2011 02:26 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
>> This is a common misapprehension, but it's not true. The reason for the
>> large icon grid is actually that the developers did real world user
>> research (yes, really!) and found that many people had significant
>> trouble nav
> The workflow is:
> 1) Move the mouse to the to left corner (move is enough, you don't have to
> click. You even can drag and drop through activities, so learn to not
click
> there.)
> 2) Type on the keyboard few character of the application name you want to
> run, e.g. "cal" and on your screen wi
On 06/17/2011 11:36 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> Dne 17.6.2011 11:14, Ralf Corsepius napsal(a):
>> On 06/17/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>>> Adam Williamson wrote:
This is a common misapprehension, but it's not true. The reason for the
large icon grid is actually that the developers did
Dne 17.6.2011 11:14, Ralf Corsepius napsal(a):
> On 06/17/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Adam Williamson wrote:
>>> This is a common misapprehension, but it's not true. The reason for the
>>> large icon grid is actually that the developers did real world user
>>> research (yes, really!) and
On 06/17/2011 10:56 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
>> This is a common misapprehension, but it's not true. The reason for the
>> large icon grid is actually that the developers did real world user
>> research (yes, really!) and found that many people had significant
>> trouble nav
Am 17.06.2011 03:59, schrieb Adam Williamson:
> On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 01:19 +0200, Henrik Wejdmark wrote:
>
>> My impression is that GNOME3 is trying to compete with Android and FrontRow,
>> but have forgotten all of us who still uses desktops/laptops. We don't have
>> touch screens yet
>
>
Adam Williamson wrote:
> This is a common misapprehension, but it's not true. The reason for the
> large icon grid is actually that the developers did real world user
> research (yes, really!) and found that many people had significant
> trouble navigating the typical Windows / GNOME 2 nested menu
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 22:15, seth vidal wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 18:59 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 01:19 +0200, Henrik Wejdmark wrote:
>>
>> > My impression is that GNOME3 is trying to compete with Android and
>> > FrontRow,
>> > but have forgotten all of us who
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 21:35, John Reiser wrote:
> This is because clicking [Button1 down up] does not temporarily "pin" the
> clicked sub-menu. ... The current behavior
> does not match the expectations of users.
Have you seen GNOME 3's Network Manager menu? When a large number of
WiFi networks
On Thu, 2011-06-16 at 18:59 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 01:19 +0200, Henrik Wejdmark wrote:
>
> > My impression is that GNOME3 is trying to compete with Android and FrontRow,
> > but have forgotten all of us who still uses desktops/laptops. We don't have
> > touch screens
On 06/16/2011 06:59 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> ... many people had significant
> trouble navigating the typical Windows / GNOME 2 nested menu system full
> of wide-but-short entries. They would lose levels in the nesting by
> moving the mouse a bit wrong.
This is because clicking [Button1 down
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 01:19 +0200, Henrik Wejdmark wrote:
> My impression is that GNOME3 is trying to compete with Android and FrontRow,
> but have forgotten all of us who still uses desktops/laptops. We don't have
> touch screens yet
This is a common misapprehension, but it's not true. The r
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 15:27 +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> "plymouth_running()"? Plymouth? Systemd knows about plymouth? Why?
Because it has implications for the correct handoff of tty1, I believe.
This was one of the trickier things to get right in systemd.
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On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 05:35:19PM +0200, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> > On 06/15/2011 11:03 AM, Miloslav Trma? wrote:
> >> - At policy build time, precompute a DFA for all of the regexps, and
> >> store it in a file. This file could be mmap()ed
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 09:40 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:23 -0500, Dan Williams wrote:
>
> > systemd might be happy if you change it later, but other stuff is not.
> > The canonical example is X, where the hostname was used as the xauth key
> > to allow you to actually tal
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> On 06/15/2011 11:03 AM, Miloslav Trma? wrote:
>> - At policy build time, precompute a DFA for all of the regexps, and
>> store it in a file. This file could be mmap()ed into any user of the
>> policy, requiring no malloc(), and allowing the
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:12:35AM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> On 06/15/2011 11:03 AM, Miloslav Trma? wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> >> Ways to improve the situation for systemd would include:
> >> - Only load a subset of file_contexts entries, similar to u
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On 06/15/2011 11:03 AM, Miloslav Trma? wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Stephen Smalley wrote:
>> Ways to improve the situation for systemd would include:
>> - Only load a subset of file_contexts entries, similar to udev.
>> - Only load the f
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> Ways to improve the situation for systemd would include:
> - Only load a subset of file_contexts entries, similar to udev.
> - Only load the file contexts entries temporarily, using selabel_open +
> selabel_close to bracket entire blocks wh
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 10:03 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 13.06.11 18:18, Denys Vlasenko (dvlas...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> >
> > On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 10:17 +0200, drago01 wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Denys Vlasenko
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi Lennart,
> > > >
> > > > s
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:23 -0500, Dan Williams wrote:
> The next example is apps that try to find out your IP address by
> looking
> up your hostname. That's completely broken too. Do you have multiple
> interfaces? Multiple IP addresses? Are you behind NAT? Yeah, all
> that
> will torpedo hos
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 08:53 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> The memory problem is just the share number of file context that we are
> loading, each line of the file_context file is a regex. Currently the
> file_context file on my Rawhide machine is 4209 lines. If we can
> determine the only file
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 21:23 -0500, Dan Williams wrote:
> systemd might be happy if you change it later, but other stuff is not.
> The canonical example is X, where the hostname was used as the xauth key
> to allow you to actually talk to the X server. When the hostname
> changed, there was no aut
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 10:21 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 14:08 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Tue, 14.06.11 07:25, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
> >
> > > > > What's the problem of having a specific hostname set up at boot
> > > > time ?
> > > >
> > > > The user
Nathanael D. Noblet wrote:
> Its worked super well for me (though less well with GNOME3's effects
> etc)... Can you point me to what you mean by the usual info into
> xorg.conf? to be clear, I don't want to run *my* session over VNC. I
> want to be able to connect to a remote users *current* s
On 06/14/2011 12:40 PM, Genes MailLists wrote:
> I assume its either local intranet - or you've ssh tunneled port 5900 to
> be visible on your client machine where you're running vncviewer if
> your doing this over the internet.
Thanks, that's great. Yeah this is all VPN'd access so secured via
On 06/14/2011 01:55 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Nathanael D. Noblet
> wrote:
>
>
>> Its worked super well for me (though less well with GNOME3's effects
>> etc)... Can you point me to what you mean by the usual info into
>> xorg.conf? to be clear, I don't want to r
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote:
> Its worked super well for me (though less well with GNOME3's effects
> etc)... Can you point me to what you mean by the usual info into
> xorg.conf? to be clear, I don't want to run *my* session over VNC. I
> want to be able to conne
On 06/14/2011 12:40 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:27:33AM -0600, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote:
>> On 06/14/2011 07:31 AM, seth vidal wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 11:25 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
I've installed XFCE. It was easy to install, and it works sane
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