Re: Proposal to remove NetworkManager from Core group

2018-01-19 Thread Neal Gompa
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 7:34 AM, James Hogarth wrote: > On 19 January 2018 at 11:44, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 11:48:52AM +0100, Thomas Haller wrote: >>> When you say "Core" group, what are the practical effects of removing >>> it? You can uninstall NetworkManager on Fedo

Re: Proposal to remove NetworkManager from Core group

2018-01-19 Thread James Hogarth
On 19 January 2018 at 11:44, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: > On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 11:48:52AM +0100, Thomas Haller wrote: >> When you say "Core" group, what are the practical effects of removing >> it? You can uninstall NetworkManager on Fedora today. Do you mean, it >> should not be installed by defa

Re: Proposal to remove NetworkManager from Core group

2018-01-19 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 11:48:52AM +0100, Thomas Haller wrote: > When you say "Core" group, what are the practical effects of removing > it? You can uninstall NetworkManager on Fedora today. Do you mean, it > should not be installed by default? But you need a way to connect to > the network on a ne

Re: Proposal to remove NetworkManager from Core group

2018-01-19 Thread Kevin Kofler
David Demelier wrote: > I just think there are many network possibilities on Linux and > therefore I was proposing to not add a mandatory default in Core. > Especially for people creating extremely minimal appliance (raspberry > pi, firewall) where both network script and systemd-networkd may > alr

Re: Proposal to remove NetworkManager from Core group

2018-01-19 Thread Thomas Haller
On Fri, 2018-01-19 at 10:02 +0100, David Demelier wrote: > On Fri, 2018-01-19 at 07:59 +0100, Thomas Haller wrote: > > the message doesn't give much motivation beside "can be avoided in > > many > > cases". I would be intrested in your exact criticism. > > > > Hello, > > Don't take this personal

Re: Proposal to remove NetworkManager from Core group

2018-01-19 Thread David Demelier
On Fri, 2018-01-19 at 07:59 +0100, Thomas Haller wrote: > the message doesn't give much motivation beside "can be avoided in > many > cases". I would be intrested in your exact criticism. > Hello, Don't take this personally (I feel you thought some offense). I never said NetworkManager sucks and

Re: Proposal to remove NetworkManager from Core group

2018-01-18 Thread Thomas Haller
On Thu, 2018-01-18 at 09:28 +0100, David Demelier wrote: > Hello all, > > Since systemd-networkd is a mature network system daemon nowadays, > NetworkManager can be avoided in many cases where people do not need > desktop features. > > I propose to remove NetworkManager from the “Core” group and

Re: Proposal to remove NetworkManager from Core group

2018-01-18 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 18 January 2018 at 03:28, David Demelier wrote: > Hello all, > > Since systemd-networkd is a mature network system daemon nowadays, > NetworkManager can be avoided in many cases where people do not need > desktop features. > > I propose to remove NetworkManager from the “Core” group and mark it

Re: Proposal to remove NetworkManager from Core group

2018-01-18 Thread Major Hayden
On 01/18/2018 02:28 AM, David Demelier wrote: > Since systemd-networkd is a mature network system daemon nowadays, > NetworkManager can be avoided in many cases where people do not need > desktop features. > > I propose to remove NetworkManager from the “Core” group and mark it as > optional or ev

Re: Proposal to remove NetworkManager from Core group

2018-01-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2018-01-18 at 09:28 +0100, David Demelier wrote: > Hello all, > > Since systemd-networkd is a mature network system daemon nowadays, > NetworkManager can be avoided in many cases where people do not need > desktop features. > > I propose to remove NetworkManager from the “Core” group and

Re: Proposal to remove NetworkManager from Core group

2018-01-18 Thread Silvia Sánchez
Hello, I would prefer to keep Network Manager as core. I don't see what benefits would bring if it's removed and marked as optional. Regards, Silvia FAS: Lailah On 18 January 2018 at 13:31, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 09:28:30AM +0100, David Demelier wrote: > > Since syste

Re: Proposal to remove NetworkManager from Core group

2018-01-18 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 09:28:30AM +0100, David Demelier wrote: > Since systemd-networkd is a mature network system daemon nowadays, > NetworkManager can be avoided in many cases where people do not need > desktop features. > I propose to remove NetworkManager from the “Core” group and mark it as >