On 4/6/20 5:19 AM, Alex Scheel wrote:
It'd be interesting to see if the FESCo election system could be
repurposed to get a sense of all packagers' opinions, rather than
make assumptions on how the community as a whole feels based on a few
vocal members and their participation in the mailing lists
Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
> The majority here is telling you to hold off execution of that
> "decision" and revisit it, but you're ignoring those voices entirely and
> offering useless "apologies" instead. You cannot pretend to be part of a
> community if you just ignore its other membe
Hi,
On Mon, 2020-04-06 at 09:49 -0400, Ben Rosser wrote:
> > Not everyone is inclined to loudly argue their positions on the
> > mailing
> > list. There have only been 12 unique participants to this thread and 57
> > to the other thread.
> >
> > That isn't indicative of the entire Fedora packager
colas Mailhot"
>> > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 9:10:56 AM
>> > Subject: Re: CPE Weekly: 2020-04-04
>> >
>> > Le lundi 06 avril 2020 à 08:19 -0400, Alex Scheel a écrit :
>> > >
>> > > It'd be interesting to see if the FESCo e
With all of the other noise going on around this, I wanted to thank you
folks for putting this out. Even this basic update shed light on a few
things I had no idea about, communishift and rpmautospec. So thank you
it is much appreciated that you are doing these.
-Erinn
On 4/4/20 1:02 PM, Aoif
On Mon, Apr 6, 2020, at 1:48 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 at 13:34, Robbie Harwood wrote:
> > Aoife Moloney writes:
> >
> > > * We found a password, we do not know whose it is, but we have turned
> > > it into the lost and found.
> >
> > I'm sorry, what? Can yo
- Original Message -
> From: "Till Maas"
> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
>
> Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 1:39:49 PM
> Subject: Re: CPE Weekly: 2020-04-04
>
> On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 08:35:28AM -0400, Alex Scheel wrote:
&g
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 at 13:34, Robbie Harwood wrote:
> Aoife Moloney writes:
>
> > * We found a password, we do not know whose it is, but we have turned
> > it into the lost and found.
>
> I'm sorry, what? Can you explain what this is and what it means?
>
>
This was something I slipped in to see
On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 08:35:28AM -0400, Alex Scheel wrote:
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Miro Hrončok"
> > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
> > Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 8:28:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: CPE Weekly: 2020-04-04
> >
> > O
Aoife Moloney writes:
> * We found a password, we do not know whose it is, but we have turned
> it into the lost and found.
I'm sorry, what? Can you explain what this is and what it means?
Thanks,
--Robbie
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On Mon, 6 Apr 2020, Leigh Griffin wrote:
> We cannot take the view of a singular person and make changes based on
> that, we defer to them for prioritisation and their input. That's how the
But, having reviewed the 'wishlist' of criteria quoted last
week, [in the thread with Ben Cotton's message
Le lundi 06 avril 2020 à 11:42 -0400, Alex Scheel a écrit :
>
> I'm not sure why what happens outside Fedora infra has anything to do
> with the dist-git discussion. Are you suggesting that all
> contributors
> to all Fedora upstream should weigh in on this discussion as well? I
> mean, that'd be
- Original Message -
> From: "Daniel P. Berrangé"
> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
>
> Cc: "Nicolas Mailhot"
> Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 11:02:52 AM
> Subject: Re: CPE Weekly: 2020-04-04
>
> Watching the di
On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 4:34 PM Miro Hrončok wrote:
> On 06. 04. 20 17:20, Leigh Griffin wrote:
> >
> > I'm reaffirming that I hear the concerns and that my team are taking
> them on
> > board. I am also reaffirming that our engagement point is with the
> Fedora
> > Council, not at the individual
- Original Message -
> From: "Nicolas Mailhot via devel"
> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
>
> Cc: "Nicolas Mailhot"
> Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 10:57:40 AM
> Subject: Re: CPE Weekly: 2020-04-04
>
> Le
On 06. 04. 20 17:20, Leigh Griffin wrote:
I'm reaffirming that I hear the concerns and that my team are taking them on
board. I am also reaffirming that our engagement point is with the Fedora
Council, not at the individual level as the Council is responsible for listening
and collating those
On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 12:11 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski <
domi...@greysector.net> wrote:
> On Monday, 06 April 2020 at 12:41, Leigh Griffin wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 9:36 PM Randy Barlow <
> bowlofe...@fedoraproject.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 4/4/20 3:02 PM, Aoife Moloney wrote:
>
On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 09:35:58AM -0400, Alex Scheel wrote:
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Nicolas Mailhot via devel"
> > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
> >
> > Cc: "Nicolas Mailhot"
> > Sent: Monday, A
Le lundi 06 avril 2020 à 10:09 -0400, Alex Scheel a écrit :
>
> In the last FESCo election, 273 ballots were cast [0]. According to
> the
> graph maintained by Matthew Miller [1], we have between 225 and 375
> active maintainers in Fedora, depending on how you count.
That’s *weekly* activity. As
On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 09:35:58AM -0400, Alex Scheel wrote:
> That isn't indicative of the entire Fedora packager ecosystem. A lot of
> people are staying silent.
Do you really want/expect 300 folks to chime in with "+1" replies?
Speaking for myself, Neal and Adam (and others) have already expre
On 4/6/20 8:28 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
I think it's hard to see who's vocal against GitLab and who just wants a
truly open decision process for this.
I've heard people who would love to get GitLab, but who are genuinely
sad about how CPE management handled this.
This. I personally actually l
On 4/6/20 6:41 AM, Leigh Griffin wrote:
We are engaged with the Fedora Council on the next steps here for the
adoption of Gitlab / the retirement of Pagure from the CPE remit. That
much of the decision has been made, the actual specifics are what we are
engaging on to make sure that the Fedora
On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 09:49:13 -0400, rosser@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 9:36 AM Alex Scheel wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > I believe we need a different way to engage the rest of our packager
> > base.
>
> I'm a packager who has been staying silent, but I generally strongly
>
- Original Message -
> From: "Ben Rosser"
> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
>
> Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 9:49:13 AM
> Subject: Re: CPE Weekly: 2020-04-04
>
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. :-)
> Not saying you're wron
On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 9:36 AM Alex Scheel wrote:
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Nicolas Mailhot via devel"
> > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
> >
> > Cc: "Nicolas Mailhot"
> > Sent: Monday
- Original Message -
> From: "Nicolas Mailhot via devel"
> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
>
> Cc: "Nicolas Mailhot"
> Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 9:10:56 AM
> Subject: Re: CPE Weekly: 2020-04-04
>
> Le
Le lundi 06 avril 2020 à 08:19 -0400, Alex Scheel a écrit :
>
> It'd be interesting to see if the FESCo election system could be
> repurposed to get a sense of all packagers' opinions, rather than
> make assumptions on how the community as a whole feels based on a few
> vocal members and their par
Dne 06. 04. 20 v 12:29 Pierre-Yves Chibon napsal(a):
> On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 11:09:37AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>> Dne 04. 04. 20 v 21:02 Aoife Moloney napsal(a):
>>> * rpmautospec 0.0.1 through 0.0.10 have been released and deployed in
>>> staging
>>
>> Could somebody please update on the st
- Original Message -
> From: "Miro Hrončok"
> To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 8:28:15 AM
> Subject: Re: CPE Weekly: 2020-04-04
>
> On 06. 04. 20 14:19, Alex Scheel wrote:
> > That part isn't actually clear t
On 06. 04. 20 14:19, Alex Scheel wrote:
That part isn't actually clear to me. There's certainly a vocal portion
against using GitLab
I think it's hard to see who's vocal against GitLab and who just wants a truly
open decision process for this.
I've heard people who would love to get GitLab,
- Original Message -
> From: "Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski"
> To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 7:09:38 AM
> Subject: Re: CPE Weekly: 2020-04-04
>
> On Monday, 06 April 2020 at 12:41, Leigh Griffin wrote:
> >
On Monday, 06 April 2020 at 12:41, Leigh Griffin wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 9:36 PM Randy Barlow
> wrote:
>
> > On 4/4/20 3:02 PM, Aoife Moloney wrote:
> > > However we do
> > > recognize that it was still nonetheless a decision that was not made
> > > in public, and for that we can only now
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 10:56 PM Chris Murphy
wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:36 PM Randy Barlow
> wrote:
> >
> > On 4/4/20 3:02 PM, Aoife Moloney wrote:
> > > However we do
> > > recognize that it was still nonetheless a decision that was not made
> > > in public, and for that we can only now
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 9:36 PM Randy Barlow
wrote:
> On 4/4/20 3:02 PM, Aoife Moloney wrote:
> > However we do
> > recognize that it was still nonetheless a decision that was not made
> > in public, and for that we can only now offer our apologies for this
> > mistake and learn a hard lesson from
On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 11:09:37AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>
> Dne 04. 04. 20 v 21:02 Aoife Moloney napsal(a):
> > * rpmautospec 0.0.1 through 0.0.10 have been released and deployed in
> > staging
>
>
> Could somebody please update on the status? What were the proof of
> concepts, what are ta
- Original Message -
> From: "Randy Barlow"
> To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2020 10:35:21 PM
> Subject: Re: CPE Weekly: 2020-04-04
>
> On 4/4/20 3:02 PM, Aoife Moloney wrote:
> > However we do
> > recognize that
Dne 04. 04. 20 v 21:02 Aoife Moloney napsal(a):
> * rpmautospec 0.0.1 through 0.0.10 have been released and deployed in staging
Could somebody please update on the status? What were the proof of
concepts, what are takeaways? Was there any decision on the approach and
why?
Vít
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On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 at 23:56, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:36 PM Randy Barlow
> wrote:
> >
> > On 4/4/20 3:02 PM, Aoife Moloney wrote:
> > > However we do
> > > recognize that it was still nonetheless a decision that was not made
> > > in public, and for that we can only now of
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:36 PM Randy Barlow
wrote:
>
> On 4/4/20 3:02 PM, Aoife Moloney wrote:
> > However we do
> > recognize that it was still nonetheless a decision that was not made
> > in public, and for that we can only now offer our apologies for this
> > mistake and learn a hard lesson fro
On 4/4/20 3:02 PM, Aoife Moloney wrote:
However we do
recognize that it was still nonetheless a decision that was not made
in public, and for that we can only now offer our apologies for this
mistake and learn a hard lesson from it.
It's simply not true that this is the only thing that can be d
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