Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-30 Thread Stef Walter
On 01/30/2013 12:14 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 01/30/2013 10:08 AM, Martin Sivak wrote: >> Hi, >> When I install a freeipa server I do not want firstboot because I am not going to create local users anyway. I am going to install freeipa and then create users in

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-30 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 08:01:38AM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > In what situation would you ever have a system that requires neither > users nor root access? Or are you saying that root access would be via > SSH keys? I think it's probably a valid feature request to be able to Root access via

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-30 Thread Martin Sivak
Hi, the this should be not a problem. The intended logic here is requiring enabled root OR user(s). We might add ssh keys as a valid option if needed too (but I am not sure about entering the key, typing it manually is probably not a good idea). Moreover, initial-setup has a working quit butto

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-30 Thread John . Florian
> From: Stephen Gallagher > That said, the current firstboot allows you to just walk through and > skip user creation, last I checked. So I'm not sure why you need to > cancel it. If you just don't enter anything in the username and > password fields, it doesn't stop you. Exactly right, and tha

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-30 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/30/2013 05:08 AM, Martin Sivak wrote: > Hi, > >>> When I install a freeipa server I do not want firstboot because >>> I am not going to create local users anyway. I am going to >>> install freeipa and then create users in LDAP. > >> Could such

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-30 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/29/2013 10:40 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 09:15:05AM -0500, Martin Sivak wrote: >> the tool will be started using systemd unit file which can be >> disabled. It will have to be explicit (even minimal install needs >> users

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-30 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/30/2013 10:08 AM, Martin Sivak wrote: Hi, When I install a freeipa server I do not want firstboot because I am not going to create local users anyway. I am going to install freeipa and then create users in LDAP. Could such use cases not be built into firstboot? Right you are, see ano

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-30 Thread Martin Sivak
Hi, > > When I install a freeipa server I do not want firstboot because I > > am not > > going to create local users anyway. I am going to install freeipa > > and > > then create users in LDAP. > Could such use cases not be built into firstboot? Right you are, see another proposed feature that

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-30 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 03:47:33PM -0500, Simo Sorce wrote: > When I install a freeipa server I do not want firstboot because I am not > going to create local users anyway. I am going to install freeipa and > then create users in LDAP. > > So far I just skipped firstboot by using tricks, like tell

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-30 Thread Stijn Hoop
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:30:04 -0800 Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 20:20 +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote: > > On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:07:55 -0500 > > john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > > > > > From: Martin Sivak > > > > the tool will be started using systemd unit file which can be > > > >

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 20:20 +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:07:55 -0500 > john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > > > From: Martin Sivak > > > the tool will be started using systemd unit file which can be > > > disabled. It will have to be explicit (even minimal install needs > > > u

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 15:47 -0500, Simo Sorce wrote: > So far I just skipped firstboot by using tricks, like telling it I was > going to configure a network server and then just canceling. But it > would be nicer if I could simply skip it. Current firstboot does not run if you boot to anything be

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-29 Thread Simo Sorce
On Tue, 2013-01-29 at 14:28 -0500, john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > Stijn Hoop wrote on 01/29/2013 14:20:50: > > > On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:07:55 -0500 > > john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > > > > > From: Martin Sivak > > > > the tool will be started using systemd unit file which can be > > > > disa

point of style (was Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot)

2013-01-29 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/29/2013 12:31 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 29, 2013, at 5:43 AM, Alec Leamas wrote: Please don't top-post [1] [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#If_You_Are_Replying_to_a_Message It's amusing that it doesn't explain why. It just says don't do it. Top posti

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-29 Thread John . Florian
Stijn Hoop wrote on 01/29/2013 14:20:50: > On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:07:55 -0500 > john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > > > From: Martin Sivak > > > the tool will be started using systemd unit file which can be > > > disabled. It will have to be explicit (even minimal install needs > > > users or ro

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-29 Thread Stijn Hoop
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:07:55 -0500 john.flor...@dart.biz wrote: > > From: Martin Sivak > > the tool will be started using systemd unit file which can be > > disabled. It will have to be explicit (even minimal install needs > > users or root password), but we can figure something out. > > In my

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-29 Thread John . Florian
> From: Martin Sivak > the tool will be started using systemd unit file which can be > disabled. It will have to be explicit (even minimal install needs > users or root password), but we can figure something out. In my experience, root password is handled by the installer and firstboot is not

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-29 Thread Alec Leamas
On 2013-01-29 19:35, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:39 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote something about learning to read like the rest of the world. Indeed, I did learn, like most of the rest of the world today, to simply reply. And I learned to occasionally establish context wit

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-29 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:39 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote something about learning to read like the rest of the world. Indeed, I did learn, like most of the rest of the world today, to simply reply. And I learned to occasionally establish context with paraphrasing, and the occasional quote,

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-29 Thread Steve Clark
On 01/29/2013 12:39 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: On 01/29/2013 05:31 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 29, 2013, at 5:43 AM, Alec Leamas wrote: Please don't top-post [1] [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#If_You_Are_Replying_to_a_Message It's amusing that it doesn'

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-29 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/29/2013 05:31 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jan 29, 2013, at 5:43 AM, Alec Leamas wrote: Please don't top-post [1] [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#If_You_Are_Replying_to_a_Message It's amusing that it doesn't explain why. It just says don't do it. Top posting fa

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-29 Thread Allan Day
Hi Martin, Martin Sivak wrote: > no, system-config-* is not going to be used anywhere. Can you expand on that? Is the plan to remove the existing dependencies on system-config-*? Allan -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-29 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jan 29, 2013, at 5:43 AM, Alec Leamas wrote: > > Please don't top-post [1] > > [1] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#If_You_Are_Replying_to_a_Message It's amusing that it doesn't explain why. It just says don't do it. Top posting fails worse than bottom posting when

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-29 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 09:15:05AM -0500, Martin Sivak wrote: > the tool will be started using systemd unit file which can be disabled. It > will have to be explicit (even minimal install needs users or root > password), but we can figure something out. That's not necessarily true; please don't fo

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-29 Thread Alec Leamas
Answer below :) On 2013-01-29 15:20, Martin Sivak wrote: Hi, yes, all the screens are shared with the Anaconda installer and the internal data structure is closely tied to kickstart. This allows us to configure almost everything using kickstart and then dump the final kickstart for the admin

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-29 Thread Martin Sivak
Hi, this has nothing to do with Gnome. Initial-setup will prepare system-wide settings regardless on the WM as firstboot did. The only difference here (which is not implemented yet) is to skip the user creation screens in case GDM is the login manager and Gnome asks for it. In that case GIE pa

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-29 Thread Martin Sivak
Hi, yes, all the screens are shared with the Anaconda installer and the internal data structure is closely tied to kickstart. This allows us to configure almost everything using kickstart and then dump the final kickstart for the admin to see (as we always did). Headless is a bit harder, someo

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-29 Thread Martin Sivak
Hi, the tool will be started using systemd unit file which can be disabled. It will have to be explicit (even minimal install needs users or root password), but we can figure something out. Martin - Original Message - > > > From: Jaroslav Reznik > > > > = Features/NewFirstboot = > >

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-29 Thread Martin Sivak
Hi, no, system-config-* is not going to be used anywhere. Martin - Original Message - > Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > = Features/NewFirstboot = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewFirstboot > > > > Feature owner(s): Martin Sivák > ... > > Firstboot currently depends on system-

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-29 Thread Martin Sivak
Hi Adam, it will use Anaconda screens that already exist (like Time and Date, Root password) or are planned for F19 (User creation). So the project itself does not require any heavy coding. The 3rd party screens are out of our hands, but are not necessary for the system to work. The current fi

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2013-01-28 at 11:46 +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Features/NewFirstboot = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewFirstboot > > Feature owner(s): Martin Sivák > > This feature proposes new initial setup application with better integration > to > the NewUI anaconda and to Gnome

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-28 Thread Allan Day
Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > = Features/NewFirstboot = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewFirstboot > > Feature owner(s): Martin Sivák ... Firstboot currently depends on system-config-users, system-config-authentication and system-config-date, causing them to be included in a new Fedora in

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-28 Thread John . Florian
> From: Jaroslav Reznik > > = Features/NewFirstboot = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewFirstboot Please consider in the development of this to provide a simple means to bypass this as easily as is currently possible with firstboot. Our use case rarely involves making a custom kick

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-28 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
On Monday 28 of January 2013 12:16:54 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > On 01/28/2013 11:46 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > > = Features/NewFirstboot = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewFirstboot > > > > Feature owner(s): Martin Sivák > > > > This feature proposes new initial setup applic

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-28 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:46:40AM +, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > Anaconda, initial-setup and Gnome Inital Experience will communicate to > ensure > the screens are not shown multiple times. So for example the root password > setup or user creation process will be done only in one place, depend

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-28 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/28/2013 07:16 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 01/28/2013 11:46 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: >> = Features/NewFirstboot = >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewFirstboot >> >> Feature owner(s): Martin Sivák >> >> This feature pro

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-28 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/28/2013 11:46 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: = Features/NewFirstboot = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewFirstboot Feature owner(s): Martin Sivák This feature proposes new initial setup application with better integration to the NewUI anaconda and to Gnome Initial Experience. Wil

Proposed F19 Feature: New firstboot

2013-01-28 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
= Features/NewFirstboot = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewFirstboot Feature owner(s): Martin Sivák This feature proposes new initial setup application with better integration to the NewUI anaconda and to Gnome Initial Experience. == Detailed description == Since the Anaconda instal