licly announced in order to receive
>> community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved
>> by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee.
>>
>> == Summary ==
>> Update LibreOffice suite to 7.6
>>
>>
>> == Owner ==
&
s proposal will only be implemented if approved
> by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee.
>
> == Summary ==
> Update LibreOffice suite to 7.6
>
>
> == Owner ==
> * Name: [[User:mattia| Mattia Verga]]
> * Name: [[User:limb| Gwyn Ciesla ]]
> * libreoffice-S
Committee.
== Summary ==
Update LibreOffice suite to 7.6
== Owner ==
* Name: [[User:mattia| Mattia Verga]]
* Name: [[User:limb| Gwyn Ciesla ]]
* libreoffice-SIG
* Email: mattia.ve...@protonmail.com, gw...@protonmail.com
== Detailed Description ==
LibreOffice 7.6 is currently in Beta and the first
Am 03.07.23 um 18:07 schrieb Simon de Vlieger:
On 7/3/23 13:46, Ralf Corsépius wrote:
It is the core of the problem esp. big US companies tend to ignore.
May-be you guys are not aware of there are tendencies to legally
prohibit such "cloud solutions" in many countries?
It's generally not so
erstand why you do this i do think that it is
> >> important for desktop/workstation oriented devices to have some
> >> optional access to Office directly from the image file. Have you
> >> considered shipping the LibreOffice flatpak via the ISO much like
> >> Fedora Silverbl
On 7/3/23 13:46, Ralf Corsépius wrote:
It is the core of the problem esp. big US companies tend to ignore.
May-be you guys are not aware of there are tendencies to legally
prohibit such "cloud solutions" in many countries?
It's generally not so much 'legally prohibit' as 'data has to be kept
Am 01.07.23 um 14:28 schrieb Peter Robinson:
On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 12:50 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
wrote:
On 01/07/2023 13:36, Chris Adams wrote:
A lot of the corporate world has gone to the "cloud"
don't have to worry about local backups of important documents and
spreadsheets, they
On 7/3/23 09:23, Victor Toso wrote:
On Sat, Jul 01, 2023 at 10:09:15PM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote:
Victor (CC'd), do you want to pick up grilo and grilo-plugins?
Sure, I'll keep maintaining both in Fedora.
Excellent! Can you click on the "Take" button at
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/gr
On 03/07/2023 01:28, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
OK, host shared libraries and flatpaked libraries will be loaded at the
same time, but I really doubt that's going to be at all significant.
Include dozens of bundled libraries here too. Only runtimes can use
shared memory.
They do consume signi
n fixing that. Furthermore,
sandboxed applications have well-defined interfaces with the rest of the
system, which makes isolation techniques like SELinux, Landlock, or even
virtualization much easier to apply.
> Anyway, I don't mean to suggest we should stop packaging applications
> o
ks-permission-models.html
)
Anyway, I don't mean to suggest we should stop packaging applications
or that the work to keep the LibreOffice packages maintained is not
valuable (thank you to everyone working on that). Being able to
continue shipping LibreOffice by default is especially
Peter Robinson wrote:
> Someone doing work in EPEL is quite a bit different to my point of a
> corporate organisation downstream of RHEL adding value and
> differentiation that Red Hat doesn't provide as part of RHEL.
The discussion was about people being able or unable to obtain th
On Sun, Jul 2, 2023 at 10:27 PM Kevin Kofler via devel
wrote:
>
> Peter Robinson wrote:
> > Assuming those "binary compatible distributions" choose to add
> > LibreOffice back in and support it, given what they actually do in
> > terms of actual development it&
Peter Robinson wrote:
> Assuming those "binary compatible distributions" choose to add
> LibreOffice back in and support it, given what they actually do in
> terms of actual development it's actually pretty unlikely they're
> going to do all the extra work to add
>> optional access to Office directly from the image file. Have you
>> considered shipping the LibreOffice flatpak via the ISO much like
>> Fedora Silverblue does with various other applications?
>>
>> This is the first time i reply to a mailing list so i hope i have no
On Fri, Jun 30 2023 at 05:40:33 AM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel
wrote:
So Red Hat is essentially killing all work on desktop packages, not
just on
LibreOffice?
No. Losing Bastien is extremely unfortunate and demoralizing, but we
are not killing all work on desktop packages.
Michael
ks (Alma, Rocky, Oracle Linux) is good.
>
> > While your data won't be gone in an instant you still end up in the same
> > situation with using an unsupported office suite.
>
> You can simply switch to one of these RHEL binary compatible distributions.
Assuming those &quo
On 02/07/2023 10:51, Simon de Vlieger wrote:
The suppliers for these enterprise distributions and the support they
offer also abide by political lines.
Indeed. That's why having RHEL repacks (Alma, Rocky, Oracle Linux) is good.
While your data won't be gone in an instant you still end up in th
On 7/2/23 08:56, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
On 01/07/2023 14:28, Peter Robinson wrote:
This sort of comment is off topic, various companies are free to do
with their data as they wish, just as you are free to do with it as
you please.
This is not offtopic. What I mean is that a distributi
On 01/07/2023 14:28, Peter Robinson wrote:
This sort of comment is off topic, various companies are free to do
with their data as they wish, just as you are free to do with it as
you please.
This is not offtopic. What I mean is that a distribution targeted at
enterprise use should have a stand
On Jun 29, 2023, at 7:47 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> Here is a list of Fedora packages which I maintained or co-maintained which I
> won't be able to contribute to anymore:
>
> sloccount
I grabbed sloccount as I’ve found it useful over the years.
It looks the right level of incredibly low main
On 6/29/23 16:47, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Hello,
As part of the same process outlined in Matthias Clasen's "LibreOffice
packages" email, my upstream and downstream work on desktop Bluetooth, multimedia
applications (namely totem, rhythmbox and sound-juicer) and libfprint/f
Am 01.07.23 um 14:28 schrieb Peter Robinson:
On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 12:50 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
wrote:
On 01/07/2023 13:36, Chris Adams wrote:
A lot of the corporate world has gone to the "cloud"
don't have to worry about local backups of important documents and
spreadsheets, they ge
On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 12:50 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
wrote:
>
> On 01/07/2023 13:36, Chris Adams wrote:
> > A lot of the corporate world has gone to the "cloud"
>
> > don't have to worry about local backups of important documents and
> > spreadsheets, they get sharing with minimal effort, they
On 01/07/2023 13:36, Chris Adams wrote:
A lot of the corporate world has gone to the "cloud"
don't have to worry about local backups of important documents and
spreadsheets, they get sharing with minimal effort, they can access
things from their mobile devices, etc.
And voluntarily hand over
Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler said:
> Peter Robinson wrote:
> > I would hardly say Libreoffice, bluetooth on the desktop and certain
> > iDevice pieces is "killing all work on the desktop" it's more focusing
> > on things that are important to their cu
On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 12:30 PM Peter Robinson wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 12:00 AM Kevin Kofler via devel
> wrote:
> >
> > Peter Robinson wrote:
> > > I would hardly say Libreoffice, bluetooth on the desktop and certain
> > > iDevice pieces is &quo
On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 12:00 AM Kevin Kofler via devel
wrote:
>
> Peter Robinson wrote:
> > I would hardly say Libreoffice, bluetooth on the desktop and certain
> > iDevice pieces is "killing all work on the desktop" it's more focusing
> > on things that ar
On 29/06/2023 16:47, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Hello,
As part of the same process outlined in Matthias Clasen's "LibreOffice
packages" email, my upstream and downstream work on desktop Bluetooth, multimedia
applications (namely totem, rhythmbox and sound-juicer) and libfprint/f
On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 1:00 AM Kevin Kofler via devel
wrote:
>
> What corporate desktop customers do not use LibreOffice?
I know two big-name scientific instrument manufacturers that offer
RHEL workstations on which to run the control software. I suspect
there are other domains with simil
Peter Robinson wrote:
> I would hardly say Libreoffice, bluetooth on the desktop and certain
> iDevice pieces is "killing all work on the desktop" it's more focusing
> on things that are important to their customers in those contexts.
What corporate desktop customers do no
On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 4:41 AM Kevin Kofler via devel
wrote:
>
> Bastien Nocera wrote:
> > As part of the same process outlined in Matthias Clasen's "LibreOffice
> > packages" email, my upstream and downstream work on desktop Bluetooth,
> > multimedia ap
Bastien Nocera wrote:
> As part of the same process outlined in Matthias Clasen's "LibreOffice
> packages" email, my upstream and downstream work on desktop Bluetooth,
> multimedia applications (namely totem, rhythmbox and sound-juicer) and
> libfprint/fprintd is being s
On 2023-06-29 18:09, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Do you want to pick up the rest of the libimobiledevice stack as well?
That's ifuse, libplist, libusbmuxd and usbmuxd.
I've just picked these up, thanks! Will work together with Neal on this
stack as part of the Fedora Asahi SIG.
Cheers
Davide
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On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 at 10:48, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> Hello,
>
> As part of the same process outlined in Matthias Clasen's "LibreOffice
> packages" email, my upstream and downstream work on desktop Bluetooth,
> multimedia applications (namely totem, rhythmbox and
I've picked up low-memory-monitor
On 6/29/23 08:46, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 10:48 AM Bastien Nocera wrote:
Hello,
As part of the same process outlined in Matthias Clasen's "LibreOffice
packages" email, my upstream and downstream work on desktop B
On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 10:48 AM Bastien Nocera wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> As part of the same process outlined in Matthias Clasen's "LibreOffice
> packages" email, my upstream and downstream work on desktop Bluetooth,
> multimedia applications (namely totem
Hello,
As part of the same process outlined in Matthias Clasen's "LibreOffice
packages" email, my upstream and downstream work on desktop Bluetooth,
multimedia applications (namely totem, rhythmbox and sound-juicer) and
libfprint/fprintd is being stopped, and all the rest of
Hi,
On Tuesday, 2023-06-27 17:06:56 -, Mattia Verga via devel wrote:
> Anyone interested can join the `#libreoffice-sig:fedoraproject.org` matrix
> room for discussion.
Nope, it's #libreoffice:fedoraproject.org
Eike
--
GPG key 0x6A6CD5B765632D3A - 2265 D7F3 A7B0 95CC 3918
Greetings folks,
the libreoffice-sig is now live.
Anyone interested can join the `#libreoffice-sig:fedoraproject.org` matrix room
for discussion. If you're a packager and like to help maintain LO and related
packages, you can ask to join the
https://accounts.fedoraproject.org/group/libreo
I've filed the request to set up a libreoffice-sig:
https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/11372
If I forgot something in the request, please correct it. I've also quickly set
up a wiki page which can be enhanced in many ways... ;
ail secure email.
--- Original Message ---
On Friday, June 16th, 2023 at 2:34 AM, Dan Horák wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 18:40:39 +0200
> Miro Hrončok mhron...@redhat.com wrote:
>
> > On 01. 06. 23 22:16, Gwyn Ciesla via devel wrote:
> >
> > > I'v
On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 18:40:39 +0200
Miro Hrončok wrote:
> On 01. 06. 23 22:16, Gwyn Ciesla via devel wrote:
> > I've taken ownership of libreoffice for the time being, at least to keep
> > the lights on. Co-maintainers, as always, welcome.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Could
On 01. 06. 23 22:16, Gwyn Ciesla via devel wrote:
I've taken ownership of libreoffice for the time being, at least to keep the
lights on. Co-maintainers, as always, welcome.
Thanks.
Could you please prioritize making it build? The LibreOffice package fails to
build in rawhide for m
s of new versions of specified projects. Could be used
for any component maintenance including RPMs. I get notified and then
it's up to me when and how I act on it. You can build automation based
on it, too.
My biggest flatpak has 15 modules. Maybe if it ha
Hi Adam,
On Wednesday, 2023-06-07 13:57:44 -, Adam Ł. wrote:
> What ( and eventually where post this message ) about missing feature in
> LibreOffic3 ?
> (transulcent/transparent groups and interesecion 2d object/text top of video)
> https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nandi-bishal_powerpoint-des
On 6/7/23 15:15, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
[1] https://github.com/flathub/flatpak-external-data-checker
Oh, thanks, didn't know about that. Will try to make use of it for
LibreOffice,
<https://github.com/flathub/org.libreoffice.LibreOffice/pull/236> "Add
metadata for flatp
What ( and eventually where post this message ) about missing feature in
LibreOffic3 ?
(transulcent/transparent groups and interesecion 2d object/text top of video)
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nandi-bishal_powerpoint-design-study-activity-7072031917180674048-stI8?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mem
The main difference is that Fedora - be it rpms, flatpaks from module rpms
(current state), flatpaks from whatever - comes with the promise of all the
four F's, including freedom from legal issues as outlined in our guidelines.
That enables RedHat to make the guarantees which they make for their
Ideally all bundled dependencies should be hooked up to some sort of
automation that notices when there are upstream updates available,
comparable to upstream release monitoring. On Flathub this is done by
flathub-external-data-checker [1], but using it is optional and it's
not useful if it's
On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 18:07:04 +0200,
Fabio Valentini wrote:
> On the other hand, the libreoffice flatpak bundles ~80 projects:
> - gpgme (huh?)
This...
> - openldap (huh?)
and perhaps this are probably because it is possible to sign and
encrypt ODF documents using OpenPGP. Some details
ion of *trust* - do I trust the
> > software source and / or the people / projects providing them?
> >
> > Let's take LibreOffice as an example, since it started this whole
> > discussion.
> > The Fedora package appears to bundle only one "major" depen
On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 8:51 AM Stephan Bergmann wrote:
>
> If you are talking about the LibreOffice upstream flatpak on Flathub
> (i.e.,
> <https://github.com/flathub/org.libreoffice.LibreOffice/blob/06020bac005ef56305bcf5bc62ada8db2f259436/org.libreoffice.LibreOffice.json>):
Y
On 6/7/23 08:00, Mattia Verga via devel wrote:
As for admin privileges on the FAS group and ML, I'd like to ask 3-4
people to be set up. @decathorpe, @limb, @sharkcz ? @caolanm and
@sbergmann would you like to continue helping in your great work on LO
packages outside RH assignment?
Yes, you ca
em?
Let's take LibreOffice as an example, since it started this whole discussion.
The Fedora package appears to bundle only one "major" dependency,
hsqldb, and it's documented and justified why this is the case in the
spec file.
On the other hand, the libreoffice flatpak bundles ~
Il 06/06/23 21:16, Fabio Valentini ha scritto:
> On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 9:01 PM Gwyn Ciesla via devel
> wrote:
>> I would honestly prefer ownership be transferred to the libreoffice -sig, of
>> which I am more than happy to be a member.
> This is not possible, the "
I am also interested in keeping the LO packages in Fedora.
Hussein
On 6/6/23 20:55, Mattia Verga via devel wrote:
I'm forking this proposal off from the other thread, as it got buried
under tons of posts.
Shall we set up a libreoffice-sig to coordinate and ensure that
libreoffice an
Valentini
wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 9:01 PM Gwyn Ciesla via devel
> devel@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
>
> > I would honestly prefer ownership be transferred to the libreoffice -sig,
> > of which I am more than happy to be a member.
>
>
> This is
On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 18:55:36 +
Mattia Verga via devel wrote:
> I'm forking this proposal off from the other thread, as it got buried
> under tons of posts.
>
> Shall we set up a libreoffice-sig to coordinate and ensure that
> libreoffice and all dependencies are pro
On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 9:01 PM Gwyn Ciesla via devel
wrote:
>
> I would honestly prefer ownership be transferred to the libreoffice -sig, of
> which I am more than happy to be a member.
This is not possible, the "main admin" needs to be a person, and
cannot be a group. H
I would honestly prefer ownership be transferred to the libreoffice -sig, of
which I am more than happy to be a member.
--
Gwyn Ciesla
she/her/hers
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in your fear, seek only love
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I'm forking this proposal off from the other thread, as it got buried
under tons of posts.
Shall we set up a libreoffice-sig to coordinate and ensure that
libreoffice and all dependencies are properly maintained and updated as
RPMs? Are there enough users which, like me, don't like t
On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 10:00 PM Christian Schaller wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 2:36 PM Demi Marie Obenour
> wrote:
>>
>> Why is a Flatpak a better choice for LibreOffice?
>> --
>> Sincerely,
>> Demi Marie Obenour (she/her/hers)
>
> There a
On Tue, Jun 6, 2023 at 7:50 AM Leon Fauster via devel <
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Is the Fedora OCI flatpak approach not about the trust into the chain of
> flatpak creation? src -> signed rpm -> flatpak? So, even in an ideal world
> where RHEL is immutable and the best workstation e
Is the Fedora OCI flatpak approach not about the trust into the chain of
flatpak creation? src -> signed rpm -> flatpak? So, even in an ideal world
where RHEL is immutable and the best workstation experience is based on
flatpaks - RPMs are the building block. This is completly different to the
On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 at 16:14, Michael Catanzaro
wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 01:37:24 PM -0400, Stephen Smoogen
> wrote:
> >
> > 1. What is a flatpak and what does it mean to have an application in
> > it? Is it everything bundled in it or does it use layers?
>
> Two layers:
>
> * Runtime
On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 04:46:42 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour
wrote:
Fedora could, of course ship its own SELinux policy for Flatpak (and I
recommend this), but Flatpak will not (and cannot reasonably be
expected
to) integrate with SELinux natively.
Well it would have to be a very permissive p
On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 04:49:07 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour
wrote:
“several hundred megabits a second on tap at all times” is
completely
out of the question for the majority of the world’s population.
I’m not
sure what the median bandwidth in the developing world is, but it is
far
FAR less t
On Mon, 2023-06-05 at 16:49 -0400, Demi Marie Obenour wrote:
> On 6/5/23 15:01, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Mon, 2023-06-05 at 19:51 +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
> > > On 6/5/23 19:13, Demi Marie Obenour wrote:
> > >
> > > > Are you willing to do the packaging work? Asking upstream to create
>
On 6/5/23 15:01, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Mon, 2023-06-05 at 19:51 +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
>> On 6/5/23 19:13, Demi Marie Obenour wrote:
>>
>>> Are you willing to do the packaging work? Asking upstream to create
>>> packages for every distribution is not reasonable.
>>
>> I would never wan
On 6/5/23 16:35, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 02:09:58 PM -0400, Steve Grubb
> wrote:
>> Yes. And how does it's security model work?
>
> The security model is that the application is assumed to be compromised
> by malicious input and is trying to do evil things to the host s
On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 02:09:58 PM -0400, Steve Grubb
wrote:
Yes. And how does it's security model work?
The security model is that the application is assumed to be compromised
by malicious input and is trying to do evil things to the host system,
like read your home directory and send cop
On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 01:37:24 PM -0400, Stephen Smoogen
wrote:
1. What is a flatpak and what does it mean to have an application in
it? Is it everything bundled in it or does it use layers?
Two layers:
* Runtime (base platform, responsibility of runtime maintainers)
* Application (inclu
On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 01:05:25 PM -0500, Chris Adams
wrote:
It's layered, but from what I understand, an upper layer depends on a
specific build of a lower layer. So using the up-thread example, if
there's a security update to zlib, the lower layer can rebuild to pick
it up, but until the up
Il 05/06/23 19:51, Roberto Ragusa ha scritto:
> On 6/5/23 19:13, Demi Marie Obenour wrote:
>
>> Are you willing to do the packaging work? Asking upstream to create
>> packages for every distribution is not reasonable.
> I would never want upstream to do packaging, as experience teaches,
> they wou
Once upon a time, Adam Williamson said:
> On Mon, 2023-06-05 at 13:05 -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> > It's layered, but from what I understand, an upper layer depends on a
> > specific build of a lower layer. So using the up-thread example, if
> > there's a security update to zlib, the lower layer
On Mon, 2023-06-05 at 19:51 +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
> On 6/5/23 19:13, Demi Marie Obenour wrote:
>
> > Are you willing to do the packaging work? Asking upstream to create
> > packages for every distribution is not reasonable.
>
> I would never want upstream to do packaging, as experience te
On Mon, 2023-06-05 at 13:05 -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Stephen Smoogen said:
> > 1. What is a flatpak and what does it mean to have an application in it? Is
> > it everything bundled in it or does it use layers?
>
> It's layered, but from what I understand, an upper layer depen
On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 at 14:10, Steve Grubb wrote:
> On Monday, June 5, 2023 1:37:24 PM EDT Stephen Smoogen wrote:
> > On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 at 13:32, Michael Catanzaro
> >
> > wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 01:13:50 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > zlib should be added to
On 6/5/23 2:05 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Stephen Smoogen said:
1. What is a flatpak and what does it mean to have an application in it? Is
it everything bundled in it or does it use layers?
It's layered, but from what I understand, an upper layer depends on a
specific build of
On Monday, June 5, 2023 1:37:24 PM EDT Stephen Smoogen wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 at 13:32, Michael Catanzaro
>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 01:13:50 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour
> >
> > wrote:
> > > zlib should be added to the standard freedesktop.org runtime if it is
> > > not
> > > al
Once upon a time, Stephen Smoogen said:
> 1. What is a flatpak and what does it mean to have an application in it? Is
> it everything bundled in it or does it use layers?
It's layered, but from what I understand, an upper layer depends on a
specific build of a lower layer. So using the up-thread
On 6/5/23 19:13, Demi Marie Obenour wrote:
Are you willing to do the packaging work? Asking upstream to create
packages for every distribution is not reasonable.
I would never want upstream to do packaging, as experience teaches,
they would certainly do it wrong.
Packaging and integration is
On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 at 13:32, Michael Catanzaro
wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 01:13:50 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour
> wrote:
> > zlib should be added to the standard freedesktop.org runtime if it is
> > not
> > already included.
>
> zlib is included in both freedesktop-sdk and also GNOME runtime
On Mon, Jun 5 2023 at 01:13:50 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour
wrote:
zlib should be added to the standard freedesktop.org runtime if it is
not
already included.
zlib is included in both freedesktop-sdk and also GNOME runtimes, so
nobody should need to bundle it.
Michael
sturbing trend to bundling everything, which comes from
> environments with no shared libraries (Android) or from languages
> that do not do dynamic linking (golang).
Bundling is the norm on Windows and macOS, and is required on Android
and iOS. Cross-platform projects like LibreOffice, Fir
the dictionaries were
outdated. As far as I can see, every language points to different
sources: I wonder if it would be easier to maintain if we switch to
sources provided by LO at https://github.com/LibreOffice/dictionaries so
that we'll have a single specfile and source tarball with m
On 6/5/23 09:35, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
"easily install from Flathub" brings us closer to Windows where you
"easily" install software from random places on the Internet and they
bring their own bundled outdated versions of libraries. Flatpaks have
the added downside of not integra
I've taken up hyphen and the orphaned hyphen-* packages. They don't appear to
be high maintenance, but co-admins welcome, of course. Similarly, feel free to
admin as co-admin to other hyphen-* in case something needs coordinations. The
language packages are basically a "cp" in "%install", though
On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:39 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
wrote:
>
> On 05/06/2023 13:54, Josh Boyer wrote:
> > I'm not sure what led you to the conclusion that IBM has anything to
> > do with this or that "they fired a lot of good engineers". I don't
> > see evidence of either being the case.
> >
On 05/06/2023 13:54, Josh Boyer wrote:
I'm not sure what led you to the conclusion that IBM has anything to
do with this or that "they fired a lot of good engineers". I don't
see evidence of either being the case.
Please don't state your own assumptions as facts.
https://news.ycombinator.com/
On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 2:43 PM Michael Catanzaro
wrote:
> We cannot ship anything from Flathub because
> FESCo will not allow it. I don't *like* this FESCo requirement, but I
> also don't expect that to change.
I haven't studied that ruling, but perhaps the assumption was that said
software is
On Sat, 03 Jun 2023 08:45:28 -0500
Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> I'm not going to defend callous layoffs during a time when Red Hat is
> earning big profits. And I have no clue what our corporate overloads
It is a fact of corporate life that if you are a manager and want to be
promoted, cutting h
On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 3:56 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
wrote:
>
> On 03/06/2023 02:46, Leslie Satenstein via devel wrote:
> > No LibreOffice, no continuation with Fedora. LO better be there with
> > F39. Without it, all you have is Firefox. It is not enough to keep
> &
> I've taken ownership of libreoffice for the time being, at least to keep the
> lights
> on. Co-maintainers, as always, welcome.
Don't know how much time I'll be able to contribute, but you can count me in.
As Mattia suggested, I think it might be a good idea to set u
On Sat, Jun 03, 2023 at 09:09:57AM +0200, Peter Boy wrote:
> > Am 03.06.2023 um 02:06 schrieb Sandro :
> > What will we ship in Fedora if we were to follow in Red Hat's
> > footsteps? LibreOffice Flatpak? That may prove to be the straw
> > that broke the camel'
On Saturday, 03 June 2023 at 14:42, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
[...]
> My $0.02: maintaining complex desktop applications as part of the operating
> system requires significant effort and produces low value for users when you
> can easily install that app from Flathub instead. (It *especially* doesn'
blow up quite a few things.
Shall we set up a libreoffice-sig to coordinate community efforts in LO
packaging?
Mattia
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On Fri, Jun 2, 2023, 9:09 AM Matthew Miller mailto:mat...@fedoraproject.org>> wrote:
I think this sentiment is getting ahead of things. This thread _is_ that
effort.
Yes, but. In general, a better approach is to say "we plan on orphaning the packages
in $timeframe".
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