On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Are you saying he didn't post an accusation and refused to elaborate when
> asked or are you saying he did it and we should just ignore it or encourage
> it anyway?
>
> "My point wasn't restricted to this conversation"
>
> Might be better t
On Thu, 2017-02-23 at 11:46 -0500, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
> On 02/23/2017 10:25 AM, Gerald B. Cox
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > There are countless examples in the threads where
> > people resort to "I'm offended" and "You've violated the Code
> > of
> > Conduct" to cha
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 11:04 AM Gerald B. Cox > wrote:
>
>
> So let's berate and silence someone because you thought they made "vague
> accusations"
>
Are you saying he didn't post an accusation and refused to elaborate when
asked or are you saying he did it and we should just ignore it or encou
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Przemek Klosowski <
przemek.klosow...@nist.gov> wrote:
> when they are criticized for offending and for being overly offended.
Much more for the former than the latter unfortunately. Whitewashing isn't
going to fix it.
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On 02/23/2017 10:25 AM, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
There are countless examples in the threads where people resort to
"I'm offended" and "You've violated the Code of Conduct" to change the
subject and deflect the entire thread.
The community in this list is very civil: when people get called out on
How about we go back on topic here, this meta discussion isn't
productive. If the OP wants to expand on their points, they are welcome
to do so or not.
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On 02/23/2017 12:27 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2017-02-23 at 00:22 +0100, Petr Lautrbach wrote:
>>
>> I have a fix for it in setools-4.1.0-1.fc26.6 -
>> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/build/516358/
>>
>>
>> python3-networkx is only required by setools-gui (/usr/bin/apol) and
>> s
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM Gerald B. Cox wrote:
>
>> It gets a bit tedious to read all the feigned outrage and the continuous
>> aggrandisement of the Fedora Code of Conduct; it shouldn't be used as a
>> construct to silence debate.
>>
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 4:14 PM M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
wrote:
> I'm glad someone brought up Tumbleweed because every so often I build a VM
> of Tumbleweed, a VM of Rawhide and a VM of Debian "sid" just to see if I
> could use any of them as a workstation day-to-day. What I'm looking for
> mostly
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:55 PM Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> It gets a bit tedious to read all the feigned outrage and the continuous
> aggrandisement of the Fedora Code of Conduct; it shouldn't be used as a
> construct to silence debate.
>
Vague accusations are not a debate.
Rahul
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On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
> What you are doing is filing a bug report with no way for anyone else to
> reproduce it or resolve it and refusing to provide more info when asked.
>
> CLOSED CANTFIX
>
Unfortunately, this is an ongoing, extremely transparent theme.
OK
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 5:00 AM Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 02/21/2017 01:02 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 6:42 PM Ralf Corsepius
> >
> >
> > No. Mr. Williamson's attitude towards the Fedora community makes it
> > impossible to answer
> >
> >
> > Without deta
On Thu, 2017-02-23 at 00:22 +0100, Petr Lautrbach wrote:
>
> I have a fix for it in setools-4.1.0-1.fc26.6 -
> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/build/516358/
>
>
> python3-networkx is only required by setools-gui (/usr/bin/apol) and
> setools-console-analyses (/usr/bin/sedta and /usr/bin/
On 02/22/2017 07:14 PM, Petr Lautrbach wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 09:05:14AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> On Wed, 2017-02-22 at 17:30 +0100, Petr Lautrbach wrote:
>>>
Rawhide has been broken since the 15th, First due to nss, then rdma-
core, followed by policycoreutils and setoo
On Wed, 2017-02-22 at 09:36 -0800, Brian C. Lane wrote:
>
> > Because the entire installer environment is loaded into RAM during
> > install, we try quite hard to keep the installer environment *small*.
>
> Not anymore (that was a F17 experiment that didn't go well). We run from
> the boot media
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 09:05:14AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-02-22 at 17:30 +0100, Petr Lautrbach wrote:
> >
> > > Rawhide has been broken since the 15th, First due to nss, then rdma-
> > > core, followed by policycoreutils and setools breakages.
> >
> > Could you please share
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 09:05:14AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-02-22 at 17:30 +0100, Petr Lautrbach wrote:
> >
> > > Rawhide has been broken since the 15th, First due to nss, then rdma-
> > > core, followed by policycoreutils and setools breakages.
> >
> > Could you please share
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 06:24:21PM -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
> I for one don't actually want Rawhide to be gated because it makes
> things much harder in terms of properly developing new features. We're
> simply not capable of being as good as OpenSUSE in terms of automation
> to be able to pull off
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 01:17:02AM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> >No. Mr. Williamson's attitude towards the Fedora community makes it
> >impossible to answer
> >Without details, a vague discussion adds nothing meaningful to the
> >conversation.
> Yes, and? It's Mr. Williamson's responsibly
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 09:28:51AM -0600, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Rex Dieter wrote:
>
> > Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> >
> >>> Let's not overreact, even though I agree Ralf was out of line.
> >>>
> >>> https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct
> >>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Community_worki
On Wed, 2017-02-22 at 17:30 +0100, Petr Lautrbach wrote:
>
> > Rawhide has been broken since the 15th, First due to nss, then rdma-
> > core, followed by policycoreutils and setools breakages.
>
> Could you please share more information about policycoreutils and
> setools breakages? I haven't no
On 02/21/2017 03:33 AM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> El mar, 21-02-2017 a las 01:56 +0100, Ralf Corsepius escribió:
>> On 02/21/2017 01:48 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 00:14:56 +
>>> "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" wrote:
>>> ...snip...
>>>
Rawhide as it currently exists can't
Rex Dieter wrote:
> Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>
>>> Let's not overreact, even though I agree Ralf was out of line.
>>>
>>> https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct
>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Community_working_group
>>
>> Well, what exactly are you suggesting with those links? The
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 09:29:33AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 07:48:27 +0100
>> Tomasz Torcz wrote:
>>
>> > I have:
>> > page dumped because: VM_BUG_ON_PAGE(1 && PageCompound(page)), kernel
>> > BUG at include/linux/p
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>> Let's not overreact, even though I agree Ralf was out of line.
>>
>> https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Community_working_group
>
> Well, what exactly are you suggesting with those links? The first of
> those links specif
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 19:09:53 +0100
Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> This is bare hardware with intel GPU. The comment at the
> end just points for one possible solution, as virtualbox
> used to encounter the same issue.
ok, makes sense.
> The issue is linked to increased debugging options enabled on
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:44:22PM +0100, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
> On Tuesday, 21 February 2017 at 16:14, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 01:17:02AM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> > > On 02/21/2017 01:02 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > > >On Mon, Feb 20,
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
wrote:
> On Tuesday, 21 February 2017 at 16:14, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 01:17:02AM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>> > On 02/21/2017 01:02 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> > >On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 6:4
On Mon, 2017-02-20 at 19:13 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 02/20/2017 06:44 PM, Jan Kurik wrote:
> > = Proposed System Wide Change: No More Alphas =
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoMoreAlpha
> >
> > Change owner(s):
> > * Dennis Gilmore
> > * Adam Williamson
> >
> > Fedora will
On Tuesday, 21 February 2017 at 16:14, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 01:17:02AM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> > On 02/21/2017 01:02 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > >On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 6:42 PM Ralf Corsepius
> > >No. Mr. Williamson's attitude towards the Fedora
On 21 February 2017 at 04:10, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>
>
> Dne 21.2.2017 v 01:31 Ralf Corsepius napsal(a):
>> On 02/21/2017 01:09 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>>> On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 18:24:21 -0500
>>> Neal Gompa wrote:
>>>
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Kevin Kofler
wrote:
> Dennis Gilmor
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 09:29:33AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 07:48:27 +0100
> Tomasz Torcz wrote:
>
> > I have:
> > page dumped because: VM_BUG_ON_PAGE(1 && PageCompound(page)), kernel
> > BUG at include/linux/page-flags.h:275
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?i
On Tue, 2017-02-21 at 01:31 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>
> What you are missing: Due to you keeping the package having been rebuilt
> since Feb 15 behind closed doors, NOBODY outside RH can have tested them
> and is able to go after run-time bugs these package introduce.
This is entirely inac
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 07:48:27 +0100
Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> I have:
> page dumped because: VM_BUG_ON_PAGE(1 && PageCompound(page)), kernel
> BUG at include/linux/page-flags.h:275
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1303860
>
> Because of this bug, I haven't been able to start GDM on m
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 01:17:02AM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 02/21/2017 01:02 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> >On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 6:42 PM Ralf Corsepius
> >No. Mr. Williamson's attitude towards the Fedora community makes it
> >impossible to answer
> >
> >Without details, a vague di
Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> followed by policycoreutils and setools breakages
Yawn… When will they ever learn?
Kevin Kofler
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El mar, 21-02-2017 a las 07:43 +0100, Pavel Raiskup escribió:
> On Monday, February 20, 2017 6:44:50 PM CET Jan Kurik wrote:
> > Fedora will no longer produce Alpha releases.
>
> As a side-effect of making rawhide "alpha". That doesn't sound bad.
>
> After seeing Denis's talk on devconf, I think
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 11:26:00PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2017-02-21 at 07:43 +0100, Pavel Raiskup wrote:
> > On Monday, February 20, 2017 6:44:50 PM CET Jan Kurik wrote:
> > > Fedora will no longer produce Alpha releases.
> >
> > As a side-effect of making rawhide "alpha". That
Dne 21.2.2017 v 10:10 Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
>
> Dne 21.2.2017 v 01:31 Ralf Corsepius napsal(a):
>> On 02/21/2017 01:09 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>>> On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 18:24:21 -0500
>>> Neal Gompa wrote:
>>>
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Kevin Kofler
wrote:
> Dennis Gilmore wro
Dne 21.2.2017 v 01:31 Ralf Corsepius napsal(a):
> On 02/21/2017 01:09 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 18:24:21 -0500
>> Neal Gompa wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Kevin Kofler
>>> wrote:
Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> I do not get what you mean by your statement,
On 02/21/2017 01:02 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 6:42 PM Ralf Corsepius
No. Mr. Williamson's attitude towards the Fedora community makes it
impossible to answer
Without details, a vague discussion adds nothing meaningful to the
conversation.
Yes, and? It's Mr.
On 02/21/2017 01:09 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 18:24:21 -0500
Neal Gompa wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Kevin Kofler
wrote:
Dennis Gilmore wrote:
I do not get what you mean by your statement, it is extremely vague
with no detail. can you please expand on it in the c
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 01:56:44 +0100
Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 02/21/2017 01:48 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 00:14:56 +
> > "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" wrote:
> > ...snip...
> >
> >>
> >> Rawhide as it currently exists can't stay solid enough for me even
> >> with just the few
On Tue, 2017-02-21 at 07:43 +0100, Pavel Raiskup wrote:
> On Monday, February 20, 2017 6:44:50 PM CET Jan Kurik wrote:
> > Fedora will no longer produce Alpha releases.
>
> As a side-effect of making rawhide "alpha". That doesn't sound bad.
>
> After seeing Denis's talk on devconf, I think I und
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 05:48:58PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 00:14:56 +
> "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" wrote:
> ...snip...
>
> >
> > Rawhide as it currently exists can't stay solid enough for me even
> > with just the few pieces I absolutely need. Tumbleweed, for all it's
>
On Monday, February 20, 2017 6:44:50 PM CET Jan Kurik wrote:
> Fedora will no longer produce Alpha releases.
As a side-effect of making rawhide "alpha". That doesn't sound bad.
After seeing Denis's talk on devconf, I think I understand the motivation:
it takes ages to generate all the Fedora rel
On Tue, 2017-02-21 at 03:49 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 05:09:55PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 18:24:21 -0500
> > Neal Gompa wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Kevin Kofler
> > > wrote:
> > > > Dennis Gilmore wrote:
>
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 05:09:55PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 18:24:21 -0500
> Neal Gompa wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Kevin Kofler
> > wrote:
> > > Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> > >> I do not get what you mean by your statement, it is extremely vague
> > >> wit
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 6:36 PM M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
wrote:
> It's been a while since I went through the exercise. For a while the
> Workstation Live media wasn't building and the GNOME desktop wasn't
> installing from the netinstall because LibreOffice wasn't working. More
> recently I hit som
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 4:50 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 00:14:56 +
> "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" wrote:
> ...snip...
>
> >
> > Rawhide as it currently exists can't stay solid enough for me even
> > with just the few pieces I absolutely need. Tumbleweed, for all it's
> > promise
El mar, 21-02-2017 a las 01:56 +0100, Ralf Corsepius escribió:
> On 02/21/2017 01:48 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 00:14:56 +
> > "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" wrote:
> > ...snip...
> >
> > >
> > > Rawhide as it currently exists can't stay solid enough for me
> > > even
> > > wit
On Mon, 2017-02-20 at 20:49 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 7:24 PM, Adam Williamson
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2017-02-20 at 18:24 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > I for one don't actually want Rawhide to be gated because it makes
> > > things much harder in terms of properly developin
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 7:24 PM, Adam Williamson
wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-02-20 at 18:24 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
>> I for one don't actually want Rawhide to be gated because it makes
>> things much harder in terms of properly developing new features. We're
>> simply not capable of being as good as O
On Tue, 2017-02-21 at 01:56 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 02/21/2017 01:48 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 00:14:56 +
> > "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" wrote:
> > ...snip...
> >
> > >
> > > Rawhide as it currently exists can't stay solid enough for me even
> > > with just the f
On 02/21/2017 01:48 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 00:14:56 +
"M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" wrote:
...snip...
Rawhide as it currently exists can't stay solid enough for me even
with just the few pieces I absolutely need. Tumbleweed, for all it's
promise of "latest and greatest", is
On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 00:14:56 +
"M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" wrote:
...snip...
>
> Rawhide as it currently exists can't stay solid enough for me even
> with just the few pieces I absolutely need. Tumbleweed, for all it's
> promise of "latest and greatest", is not supported by enough third
> parti
On Mon, 2017-02-20 at 18:24 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
> I for one don't actually want Rawhide to be gated because it makes
> things much harder in terms of properly developing new features. We're
> simply not capable of being as good as OpenSUSE in terms of automation
> to be able to pull off the fe
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 4:11 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Anyhow, I am in favor of the proposal.
>
Yes, so am I, at least until Atomic Workstation has a full GNOME desktop,
Firefox and Virtual Machine Manager ;-).
--
How many people can stand on the shoulders of a giant before the giant
collapses?
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 3:26 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
> I also wonder if we're thinking about this problem all wrong. What if
> the answer isn't to increase the friction in Rawhide, but instead to
> create a regular output stream that people can use to be above
> releases? That's more or less how Tum
On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 18:24:21 -0500
Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Kevin Kofler
> wrote:
> > Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> >> I do not get what you mean by your statement, it is extremely vague
> >> with no detail. can you please expand on it in the context of the
> >> change? a
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 6:42 PM Ralf Corsepius
>
> No. Mr. Williamson's attitude towards the Fedora community makes it
> impossible to answer
Without details, a vague discussion adds nothing meaningful to the
conversation.
Rahul
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On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Dennis Gilmore wrote:
>> I do not get what you mean by your statement, it is extremely vague
>> with no detail. can you please expand on it in the context of the
>> change? and the changes it will bring to the entire workflow of
>> rawhide?
>
On 02/20/2017 08:47 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
El lun, 20-02-2017 a las 19:13 +0100, Ralf Corsepius escribió:
On 02/20/2017 06:44 PM, Jan Kurik wrote:
= Proposed System Wide Change: No More Alphas =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoMoreAlpha
Change owner(s):
* Dennis Gilmore
* Adam Wil
Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> I do not get what you mean by your statement, it is extremely vague
> with no detail. can you please expand on it in the context of the
> change? and the changes it will bring to the entire workflow of
> rawhide?
Rawhide is just nowhere near working, half the packages have
El lun, 20-02-2017 a las 19:13 +0100, Ralf Corsepius escribió:
> On 02/20/2017 06:44 PM, Jan Kurik wrote:
> > = Proposed System Wide Change: No More Alphas =
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoMoreAlpha
> >
> > Change owner(s):
> > * Dennis Gilmore
> > * Adam Williamson
> >
> > Fedora
On 02/20/2017 06:44 PM, Jan Kurik wrote:
= Proposed System Wide Change: No More Alphas =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoMoreAlpha
Change owner(s):
* Dennis Gilmore
* Adam Williamson
Fedora will no longer produce Alpha releases.
-1 from me. This plan is not applicable and will kill
= Proposed System Wide Change: No More Alphas =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoMoreAlpha
Change owner(s):
* Dennis Gilmore
* Adam Williamson
Fedora will no longer produce Alpha releases.
== Detailed Description ==
By gating Rawhide builds from landing in the compose and gating the
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