Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-28 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 21 October 2016 at 21:41, Adam Williamson wrote: [..] > > Use the 'scaling factor' setting in gnome-tweak-tool. On my 1920x1080 > 13" laptop (yup, I have one too) I set it to 1.3; adjust for your > taste. Firefox should respect that setting so long as you have > layout.css.dpi set to -1 (which

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-27 Thread David Airlie
> > > > DP-3-1 connected primary 1920x1200+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y > > axis) 518mm x 324mm > > > > Not sure what you think is hiding it, sounds like KDE is just broken. > > Well, no, that's not fair - X allows you to query the display size, and > it used to return whatever the d

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2016-10-27 at 20:29 -0400, David Airlie wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: "Kevin Kofler" > > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > Sent: Friday, 28 October, 2016 7:50:48 AM > > Subject: Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displ

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-27 Thread David Airlie
- Original Message - > From: "Kevin Kofler" > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > Sent: Friday, 28 October, 2016 7:50:48 AM > Subject: Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays > > nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: > > But, GTK core maintainers

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2016-10-27 at 23:50 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: > > But, GTK core maintainers have always insisted those didn't exist (just > > like they insisted on hardcoding 96 dpi, on the eve of Apple showing the > > world it was arbitrary and obsolete). > > The wor

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-27 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 27 October 2016 at 17:50, Kevin Kofler wrote: > nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: >> But, GTK core maintainers have always insisted those didn't exist (just >> like they insisted on hardcoding 96 dpi, on the eve of Apple showing the >> world it was arbitrary and obsolete). > > The worst is tha

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-27 Thread Kevin Kofler
nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: > But, GTK core maintainers have always insisted those didn't exist (just > like they insisted on hardcoding 96 dpi, on the eve of Apple showing the > world it was arbitrary and obsolete). The worst is that this mentality has infected the core X11 as well, also

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-26 Thread nicolas . mailhot
- Mail original - De: "Adam Williamson" > Sure, it's arbitrary. Arbitrary doesn't necessarily mean 'bad'. The > 96dpi consensus worked perfectly well: hardware manufacturers knew what > sizes and resolutions to make their monitors That's pretty disingenious. Hardware manufacturers have

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-26 Thread Martin Bříza
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 09:20:30 +0200, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2016-10-26 at 08:30 +0200, nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: But, GTK core maintainers have always insisted those didn't exist (just like they insisted on hardcoding 96 dpi, on the eve of Apple showing the world it was arbit

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-26 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2016-10-26 at 08:30 +0200, nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: > But, GTK core maintainers have always insisted those didn't exist > (just like they insisted on hardcoding 96 dpi, on the eve of Apple > showing the world it was arbitrary and obsolete). ...by releasing displays carefully tune

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-25 Thread nicolas . mailhot
- Mail original - De: "Andrew Lutomirski" > (Projectors are probably a lost cause and perhaps it should be purely > a function of resolution.) Even for projectors it would be rather easy since video organisations (SMPTE, THX, ISF, etc) publish strict guidelines on the optimal viewing

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-25 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2016-10-25 at 09:30 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Tue, 2016-10-25 at 05:16 -0400, Bastien Nocera wrote: >> > >> > - Original Message - >> > > Adam Williamson wrote: >> > > > If you use Fedora (Workstation, at least, an

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2016-10-25 at 09:30 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2016-10-25 at 05:16 -0400, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > > - Original Message - > > > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > If you use Fedora (Workstation, at least, and I think maybe KDE too) on > > > > a 3200x1800 13" screen then

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2016-10-25 at 05:16 -0400, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > - Original Message - > > Adam Williamson wrote: > > > If you use Fedora (Workstation, at least, and I think maybe KDE too) on > > > a 3200x1800 13" screen then hidpi mode will kick in, and everything > > > will be sized as if you

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-25 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bastien Nocera wrote: > - Original Message - >> But KDE is actually much smarter and can handle any DPI, though you will >> likely have to configure it manually, because as you explained, the >> developers of the commonly used X drivers decided to be jerks and >> deliberately report a bogus

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-25 Thread nicolas . mailhot
De: "Bastien Nocera" > So Qt 5.6 supports non-integer scale factors with the exact same problems > that made GTK+ developers not support it. So QT 5.6 handles configurations GTK+ developers refused to envision. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ devel mailing li

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-25 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - > Adam Williamson wrote: > > If you use Fedora (Workstation, at least, and I think maybe KDE too) on > > a 3200x1800 13" screen then hidpi mode will kick in, and everything > > will be sized as if you were using a 1600x900 13" screen, which is a > > pretty common setu

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-24 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: > If you use Fedora (Workstation, at least, and I think maybe KDE too) on > a 3200x1800 13" screen then hidpi mode will kick in, and everything > will be sized as if you were using a 1600x900 13" screen, which is a > pretty common setup. Yes, Plasma 5 definitely handles that

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-21 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2016-10-21 at 16:23 -0700, Thomas Daede wrote: > Even more so > because until recently, Qt still used EDID DPI scaling (as of 5.6, it > supports a mode like Windows where it assumes 96dpi and supports > fractional scale factors) As I mentioned in my long mail, according to my investigation

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-21 Thread Thomas Daede
On 10/21/2016 03:31 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> There was a lot of kerfuffle around the GTK (and Wayland) decision to >> only support integer scales, searching for it will give you some background. > > I don't recall that...do you have any specific references? At the time > hidpi was first added

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-21 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2016-10-21 at 15:18 -0700, Thomas Daede wrote: > On 10/21/2016 03:08 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > 13" 1080p laptops are the biggest exception to this that I can think > > of. I dunno what you do with them on Windows; I think Windows has a > > slider somewhere which more or less works like

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-21 Thread Thomas Daede
On 10/21/2016 03:20 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Out of curiosity, do you know if that's hidpi-style 'scale everything' > scaling, or is it just font size scaling? It's hidpi-style 'scale everything'. Apps can either natively draw at 1.5x or 1.25x, or be scaled by the compositor (with what looks l

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-21 Thread Dan Book
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2016-10-21 at 18:16 -0400, Dan Book wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 6:08 PM, Adam Williamson < > adamw...@fedoraproject.org > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > 13" 1080p laptops are the biggest exception to this that I can think > >

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-21 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2016-10-21 at 18:16 -0400, Dan Book wrote: > On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 6:08 PM, Adam Williamson > wrote: > > > > > > 13" 1080p laptops are the biggest exception to this that I can think > > of. I dunno what you do with them on Windows; I think Windows has a > > slider somewhere which more

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-21 Thread Thomas Daede
On 10/21/2016 03:08 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > 13" 1080p laptops are the biggest exception to this that I can think > of. I dunno what you do with them on Windows; I think Windows has a > slider somewhere which more or less works like the 'scaling factor' > setting. Yes, Windows also has a scali

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-21 Thread Dan Book
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 6:08 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > 13" 1080p laptops are the biggest exception to this that I can think > of. I dunno what you do with them on Windows; I think Windows has a > slider somewhere which more or less works like the 'scaling factor' > setting. FWIW, here on

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-21 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2016-10-21 at 13:55 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Adam Williamson > wrote: > > On Fri, 2016-10-21 at 12:44 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > HP Spectre 13" 1920x1080 and all text everywhere by default is just on > > > the cusp of too small. I don't think this

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-21 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Thomas Daede wrote: > In Firefox, the about:config setting: > > layout.css.devPixelsPerPx > > can be set to an arbitrary non-integer scalefactor, such as 1.25 or 1.5. 1.25 is looking sane at the moment. I didn't realize it'd take a non-integer. 2 is huge and worse

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-21 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2016-10-21 at 12:44 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: >> HP Spectre 13" 1920x1080 and all text everywhere by default is just on >> the cusp of too small. I don't think this is really a hidpi display, >> so I'd expect this problem to be muc

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-21 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2016-10-21 at 12:41 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Use the 'scaling factor' setting in gnome-tweak-tool. On my 1920x1080 > 13" laptop (yup, I have one too) I set it to 1.3; adjust for your > taste. Firefox should respect that setting so long as you have > layout.css.dpi set to -1 (which

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-21 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2016-10-21 at 12:44 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > HP Spectre 13" 1920x1080 and all text everywhere by default is just on > the cusp of too small. I don't think this is really a hidpi display, > so I'd expect this problem to be much worse if it were 3200x1800. Actually, no, it'd be better. h

Re: F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-21 Thread Thomas Daede
In Firefox, the about:config setting: layout.css.devPixelsPerPx can be set to an arbitrary non-integer scalefactor, such as 1.25 or 1.5. Unfortunately, GTK applications are limited to scalefactors of 1 or 2 so you're stuck with Large Text, gnome-tweak-tool's font scaling factor, or setting font

F25 workstation, and (almost) hidpi displays

2016-10-21 Thread Chris Murphy
HP Spectre 13" 1920x1080 and all text everywhere by default is just on the cusp of too small. I don't think this is really a hidpi display, so I'd expect this problem to be much worse if it were 3200x1800. To compensate, I'm using Large Text in Universal Access. But applications don't use that, su