On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 05:27:39 +0200, you wrote:
>family of tools. Every regular user will choose their own tools for
>calendar, email, etc. Simple picture viewer/kpaint etc, should be included
>because they are essential part of a desktop system, however, calendar,
>address book, email client, are
Radka Janekova wrote:
> Now that said, it was discussed that the spin is meant to be as a showoff
> of the KDE family. Is it? Or is it meant for the *actual user* who has
> preferences.
Both, with (personally) a priority on the former if there are conflicts of
interest.
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>> *From:* Matthew Miller
>> *To:* Development discussions related to Fedora <
>> devel@lists.fedoraproject.org>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:35 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: A less "bloated" KDE spin
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 11:
I also do not use but is based on
> the same toolkit and Plasma from what I understand).
>
> THanks!
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* Matthew Miller
> *To:* Development discussions related to Fedora <
> devel@lists.fedoraproject.org>
>
The kde list is: k...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Stephen is correct, this discussion shouldn't be on the development list
for the reasons he mentioned above. I've copied
the kde-list. please respond there if desired and remove reference to the
development list before sending.
I'd just like to rei
On 2 October 2017 at 10:57, Sylvia Sánchez wrote:
>
> Hello Stephen,
>
> So, according to you, this discussion won't change much KDE Spin?
I am trying to move this conversation from being bikeshedding to
possibly accomplishing something. The devel list is meant for general
discussion topics which
Hello Stephen,
So, according to you, this discussion won't change much KDE Spin?
Besides, how do I join a SIG? Do you have a link by chance?
Regards,
Silvia
2017-10-02 15:16 GMT+01:00 Stephen John Smoogen :
> On 2 October 2017 at 08:45, Sylvia Sánchez wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > It's not
On 2 October 2017 at 08:45, Sylvia Sánchez wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> It's not only a pain, it often ends in an unusable system.
> About the browsers, I don't like much Konqueror, actually is one of those
> programmes I uninstall first if it's around. What about Chromium instead?
> It's like Chrome an
Hello,
It's not only a pain, it often ends in an unusable system.
About the browsers, I don't like much Konqueror, actually is one of those
programmes I uninstall first if it's around. What about Chromium instead?
It's like Chrome and it's desktop agnostic so it works well and looks good
in any e
Dne 9.9.2017 v 17:47 Gerald B. Cox napsal(a):
>
> I believe you are missing the point of defaults which is to provide as
> complete environment as possible out of the box.
I am a user of KDE Spin. And I *never* used this way. I always have been using
it as a source for LiveImage so I can
ha
not to add any
mail/calendar programme at all, or add one that is simpler to use and
configure.
Just my two cents.
Regards,
Silvia
2017-09-09 13:46 GMT+01:00 Neal Gompa :
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 8:28 AM, jack smith
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Would you like to consid
> I guess the OP and his friends could create a KDE-Lite spin or try LXQT
The same could be said for GNOME to have a GNOME-Lite (Python Classroom is
exactly that)
I would happily promote LXQT and MATE Mutter as a lightweight alternative to
KDE and GNOME respectively
On 11 September 2017 at 14:19, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Richard W.M. Jones
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 07:17:56PM -0400, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
>> > While you (and others) may well know the name of the software you like
>> > for a given task, new peo
> Very good point. I think that the original poster meant "not needed" by him
> but
> it is good to be precise.
Not at all. I meant softs not popular / less common / not that useful / can be
replaced by better softs.
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No time for that ;)
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> @Jack, thank you for providing me with a cool list of stuff to remove, any
> other ideas how to make Fedora KDE a better experience? =)
No it's really good like that :)
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On 11 September 2017 at 06:45, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 07:17:56PM -0400, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
>> While you (and others) may well know the name of the software you like
>> for a given task, new people will not have that knowledge.
>
> Isn't that really a discoverabili
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Richard W.M. Jones
wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 07:17:56PM -0400, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
> > While you (and others) may well know the name of the software you like
> > for a given task, new people will not have that knowledge.
>
> Isn't that really a discover
On Saturday, September 9, 2017 2:28:52 PM CEST jack smith wrote:
> Would you like to consider to provide a less "bloated" KDE spin ? Here is the
> softs I suggest to remove to have a much cleaner base experience :
> kolourpaint kruler qupzilla ktorrent krusader kgpg krfb km
On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Richard W.M. Jones
wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 07:17:56PM -0400, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
> > While you (and others) may well know the name of the software you like
> > for a given task, new people will not have that knowledge.
>
> Isn't that really a discove
On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 07:17:56PM -0400, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
> While you (and others) may well know the name of the software you like
> for a given task, new people will not have that knowledge.
Isn't that really a discoverability problem?
I could imagine having menu items pointing to best-i
T (which I also do not use but is based on the same
toolkit and Plasma from what I understand).
THanks!
From: Matthew Miller
To: Development discussions related to Fedora
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: A less "bloated" KDE spin
On Sun, Sep 10, 2017
On Sun, 10 Sep 2017 23:34:10 +0200, you wrote:
>+1 for making the KDE spin lighter.
>I'm really surprised with all the advocates here. Isn't it the right way to
>go, to always have as minimal install as possible, with just the basics for
>the purpose? I truly believe that everyone grabs KDE spin f
On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 11:34:10PM +0200, Radka Janekova wrote:
> Yes, I've installed it and removed about a *gigabyte* of trash. I believe
> that most people will use maybe one or two tools out of that list.
Hey, let's please not call software in Fedora "trash", regardless of
personal opinion of
+1 for making the KDE spin lighter.
I'm really surprised with all the advocates here. Isn't it the right way to
go, to always have as minimal install as possible, with just the basics for
the purpose? I truly believe that everyone grabs KDE spin for the Plasma
desktop, for the environment, and not
Anyway MPV is only in RPM Fusion so can't be included in the ISO.
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Thanks but I'm perfectly happy with KDE :)
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> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:34 AM, jack smith wrote:
> And MPV is a GTK+ based application,
That isn't true or are you actually referring to gnome-mpv (separate project)?
[leigh@localhost ~]$ rpm -qa --requires mpv\* |grep gtk
[leigh@localhost ~]$
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El 9/9/2017 9:35 a. m., "jack smith" escribió:
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 8:28 AM, jack smith
> Taking most of those out would make our experience significantly worse
> than the GNOME spin (a.k.a Fedora Workstation).
Not necessarily because
I know this is not KDE, but the original poster could consider using the LXQT
spin and see if that serves his purpose.
From: Markus S.
To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: A less "bloated" KDE spin
Wholeheart
Wholeheartedly agree. Everybody who disagrees with your proposal better put
their money where their mouth is and do all necessary QA work for the upcoming
release!
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KDE without these softs plus the one I want make a really great experience ;)
My KDE install consume only 400M at boot without the "bloat" !
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> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:34 AM, jack smith wrote:
>
> Akonadi can be configured to use SQLite. I don't know why we don't,
> but it's a valid option.
That would be better indeed even if I think that PIM stack shouldn't be on the
ISO.
> KDE Falkon is a QtWebEngine based browser, so it behaves
That's what I do but why not have a cleaner, saner and less bloated ISO ?
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That's not the point at all. Fedora doesn't ship every Gnome app that exist.
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On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 8:28 AM, jack smith wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Would you like to consider to provide a less "bloated" KDE spin ? Here is the
> softs I suggest to remove to have a much cleaner base experience :
Heh. I've been publishing RPM building tools, for *years*,
On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 08:47:22AM -0700, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
> I believe you are missing the point of defaults which is to provide as
> complete environment as possible out of the box. Since this is a KDE spin,
> we should be providing as complete of a KDE environment as possible.
> Users sh
On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:34 AM, jack smith wrote:
>> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 8:28 AM, jack smith > wrote:
>>
>> Taking most of those out would make our experience significantly worse
>> than the GNOME spin (a.k.a Fedora Workstation).
>
> Not necessarily because we can only remove the less useful o
# dnf remove foo
and you can easly get rid of what you do not like.
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On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 8:34 AM, jack smith
wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 8:28 AM, jack smith wrote:
>
>
> As I said if one want to use softs that are not installed by default they
> can just simply install them.
>
> I believe you are missing the point of defaults which is to provide as
c
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 8:28 AM, jack smith wrote:
>
> Taking most of those out would make our experience significantly worse
> than the GNOME spin (a.k.a Fedora Workstation).
Not necessarily because we can only remove the less useful one, replace some of
them by more popular one and keep some
On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 8:28 AM, jack smith wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Would you like to consider to provide a less "bloated" KDE spin ? Here is the
> softs I suggest to remove to have a much cleaner base experience :
>
> kolourpaint kruler qupzilla ktorrent krusader kgp
Hello,
Would you like to consider to provide a less "bloated" KDE spin ? Here is the
softs I suggest to remove to have a much cleaner base experience :
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