On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:34 AM, jack smith <pavi...@fedoraproject.org> wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 8:28 AM, jack smith <paviluf(a)fedoraproject.org> >> wrote: >> >> Taking most of those out would make our experience significantly worse >> than the GNOME spin (a.k.a Fedora Workstation). > > Not necessarily because we can only remove the less useful one, replace some > of them by more popular one and keep some of them if they are really useful > for most people. > >> Not being able to manage GPG (KGPG) , SSH (ksshaskpass), and email >> (KMail) would be pretty painful for most people. KAddressBook and >> KOrganizer are perfectly fine to keep, too, as they are useful things. > > kgpg, ksshaskpass are probably not used by a lot of people and can be easily > installed. > > KMail, KAddressBook, KOrganizer are far less popular than Gmail or > Thunderbird and can be easily installed too. Most of the bloat come from the > PIM stack (mysql, akonaki !). Shipping Thunderbird is IMO a better choice > (for the record I use Gmail). >
Akonadi can be configured to use SQLite. I don't know why we don't, but it's a valid option. >> I could see us not including Konqueror, as Qupzilla/KDE Falkon is the >> new upcoming KDE browser. > > How many people really use Konqueror, Qupzilla/KDE Falkon instead of Chrome, > Chromium or Firefox ? > Why force them a browser they won't use ? Shipping Firefox is IMO a better > choice (even if I use Chrome). > KDE Falkon is a QtWebEngine based browser, so it behaves like Chrome/Chromium. It is worth promoting. >> As most of us actually do heavily use IRC, it'd be a shame if we lost >> Konversation on the default install. > > I don't think the majority of people use IRC and why force them an IRC client > ? They can easily choose and install one. > >> Akregator probably could be cut as RSS feeds have become considerably >> less popular and accessible in recent years. > > One less :) > >> KNode could probably be removed from the default installs, as >> Usenet/NNTP has become a lot less common. > > Two less :) > >> Jovie, KMouth, KMouseTool, and KMag are handy things for accessibility. > > That can be kept if they are handy things for accessibility. > >> Dragon is a perfectly nice video player. > > Can be kept even if VLC or MPV are better player IMO. > Neither of those are in Fedora proper, so we can't select them. The ffmpeg / encumbered codec requirements make it difficult to bring into Fedora. Dragon uses GStreamer, so it works well enough and can be extended easily with codec packs. And MPV is a GTK+ based application, which I'd prefer to avoid. >> Kamaso is our equivalent to Cheese on GNOME, and there's no reason to cut it. > > Can be kept indeed. > >> KFind for finding files on the system is kinda important, in my view. >> KNetAttach for accessing network shares, too. > > Can be kept indeed. > >> The telepathy stack (telepathy* / ktp*) might be less handy, but I >> know people who do swear by it. > > These people can install it. Again why force everyone to have these ? > There are plenty of people that do use IM and video/voice chat. >> Kolourpaint and and KRuler and handy little things. And KRFB enables >> remote desktop capabilities, which there are plenty of people who >> want. KRDC lets people connect to remote systems, which is equally >> desired. > > Can be kept indeed. > > As I said if one want to use softs that are not installed by default they can > just simply install them. But if they're just available, it makes the experience smoother. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
