As I hope most of you have heard by now the Fedora Board and many
community members have been discussing changes to the Fedora
governance model at its highest level. I think it is fair for me to
say the primary motivation in doing this is to create a system of
governance that includes a much more a
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> To boil it down:
>
> Is the Freedom Foundation too strict? (Alternately, are we reading it
> too strictly?) In other words, is our hard-line on only displaying
> FOSS solutions ultimately accomplishing our Mission to advance FOSS? I
> arg
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On 04/21/2014 11:56 AM, Eric H. Christensen wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 08:36:55AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>>> ...I'd like to suggest a fifth Foundation, one to ultimately
>>> supersede all the rest: "Functional".
>>
>> I t
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> Lately, I've been thinking a lot about Fedora's Foundations: “Freedom,
> Friends, Features, First", particularly in relation to some very
> sticky questions about where certain things fit (such as third-party
> repositories, free and non-
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> So let's not start by putting too much sacred value on the term
> "Spin." Rather, let's think about what specific technical and
> community-building problems are caused by using Remixes, how to solve
> them, and then consider that effort o
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On 29 January 2014 15:49, inode0 wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Jon wrote:
>> > Putting on my rel-eng hat I can say that any spin that fails to
>> > compose will be dropped.
>> >
>
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Jon wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Stephen Gallagher
> wrote:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Apologies for the slightly alarmist $SUBJECT, but I want to make sure
>> that this gets read by the appropriate groups.
>
> [snip]
>
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:01 PM, inode0 wrote:
>> So I am being pulled in both directions on this. One of the goals of
>> agility is to facilitate more things being made from Fedora (at least
>> that was a discussed goal
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 4:03 PM, inode0 wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:57 PM, H. Guémar wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think we should keep spins as long as we don't have a formal process to
&g
On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:57 PM, H. Guémar wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think we should keep spins as long as we don't have a formal process to
> accept new products.
> Something like => proposal => crop (aka product-to-be) => validation =>
> product
> When we'll have that, drop the whole spin thing, any sp
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Nobrakal wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Sorry for the double-post, but I think it's necessary.
>
> Recently, some Working Groups has been created [1]. In the most of
> case (except in the Server WG with Truong Anh. Tuan), we don't have
> any representant of the ambassador gr
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 19:56 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
>
>> It is up to each WG to determine their product requirements. That
>> includes which architectures and target users they are trying to
>> produce a product for.
>>
>> > We've done a
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Ralph Bean wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 09:23:44PM -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>> On Sep 11, 2013 6:02 PM, "Matthew Miller" wrote:
>> > What if we made this like the "I voted" stickers -- you can get one by
>> > checking a box in the voting app? (Even if, by
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Ralph Bean wrote:
> A fresh idea came up in #fedora-apps:
>
> What if we nix fedmsg for voting all together, but we supply a link in
> each election page: "Claim the badge for voting" that you can click to,
> well, get the badge.
>
> This way no tracking is done w
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Eric H. Christensen
wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 03:50:58PM -0500, inode0 wrote:
>> No. In what election where the votes cast are secret is the fact of
>> voting public? I can't recall ever participating in such an election
>> but ma
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 05:13:03PM -0500, inode0 wrote:
>> How shallow are Fedora contributors if a badge is what it takes to tip
>> them over from being non-voters to being voters? If doing this
>> increases our turno
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 04:21:30PM -0500, inode0 wrote:
>> > For example, in most elections in the United States. I'm sure the
>> > particulars vary by state, but it is the general case. For example, here's
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Ralph Bean wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 05:06:58PM -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
>>
>> > FWIW, if you log in to https://badges.fedoraproject.org/ and visit
>> > your profile,
>>
>> I got "Internal Server Error" when I tried this... and now I'm on the
>> home page,
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 04:53:59PM -0500, inode0 wrote:
>> > But anyway, if people feel really strongly about this, I think the opt out
>> > of badge tracking is an okay approach. (Even if it makes more checkboxes.)
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 03:50:58PM -0500, inode0 wrote:
>> No. In what election where the votes cast are secret is the fact of
>> voting public? I can't recall ever participating in such an election
>> but maybe my
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> I never considered this until today. In the US elections I attend,
> they have my name on a list at the voting precinct. When I come in to
> vote I sign my name and they mark that I've come in. Until today I'd
> never thought if that inf
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 03:24:28PM -0500, inode0 wrote:
>> > What is under question is that it publishes a message for each set of
>> > votes cast by users[3]. It includes the number of votes cast, the fas
>> &
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Ralph Bean wrote:
> A question has come up in #fedora-apps as to whether or not we should
> publish fedmsg messages for voting. In particular, we're looking
> now at the new "nuancier" webapp[0] that will be used to vote on
> supplemental wallpapers. It is in dev
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On 24 August 2013 12:35, inode0 wrote:
>
>>
>> > If you don't want to deal with names, just don't get in the emails or
>> > vote..
>> > because it isn't worth getting worked up ov
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On 24 August 2013 10:55, inode0 wrote:
>> If "None" was an option, which I think is a terrible idea, the only
>> thing you could conclude from it winning is the we preferred to not
>> have a release
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Mathieu Bridon
wrote:
> That begs the question: what if the elected word has received a very low
> score compared to the maximum possible?
Doesn't matter.
> That would mean that it received a very small support from our community,
> and in fact that the majority
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> I don't think it's been hatred (or passionate fighting, or else he would
> have tried to reach a decision at the FPB level), but indeed, he has been
> one of those who think the release name process is a waste of time and of
> no use.
>
>
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:04 AM, drago01 wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Brendan Jones
> wrote:
>> On 07/25/2013 12:11 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2013-07-24 at 16:50 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>>>>
>&
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:50 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
> On 07/24/2013 04:40 PM, inode0 wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
>> wrote:
>> The entire budget is not public so you won't get a de
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:07 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
> On 07/24/2013 04:01 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 03:55:41PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>>>
>>> On 07/24/2013 03:47 PM, inode0 wrote:
>&g
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Martin Langhoff
wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:50 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
> wrote:
>> I as a donor donating $20 would like those to run to
>
> $20? It's going to be a long road!
25,000 to 50,000 of those could get us started.
John
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devel mailing list
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 10:09 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
> On 07/24/2013 02:13 PM, inode0 wrote:
>>
>> Fedora is not any sort of legally recognized entity as far as I know.
>> And the fact that the vast majority of contributions are time rather
>&
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 09:05:40AM -0500, inode0 wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
>> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37:09PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>> >&g
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> My understanding is that Fedora is registered as a non-profit
> organization in the United States which I believe allows for anyone to
> donate to it *today* if they so chose. The fact that the only
> donations we see are *time* rather th
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:37:09PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>> On 07/24/2013 12:15 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
>> >On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 01:50:11AM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>> >
>> >>Obvious we cannot have crowd
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Sat, 2013-05-04 at 22:48 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
>> On Sat, 2013-05-04 at 05:01 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>> > The appropriate place to discuss deliberate design decisions is a
>> > forum where said decisions are made, ie not Bu
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Markus Mayer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have started developing for embedded devices (aka microcontrollers) lately
> (mainly ARM cortex-M3 devices). Although fedora provides some of the needed
> tools, there are still some bits missing to provide a good out-of-the-box
> ex
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 03/07/2013 05:16 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>
>> I don't know for sure, but I'm not aware of any, sadly. A lot of the
>> discussion happened in a big free-for-all that ensued from the flaming
>> wreckage of spot's talk on a proposed new r
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> On 01/28/2013 02:06 AM, Dan Mashal wrote:
>> You don't see the point of MATE or Cinnamon? How long did you play with
>> them 5 minutes?
>
> Do you remember the GNOME 1.x => 2.x transition? Similarly to how there
> are forks of GNOME now to 'ke
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> I've whipped up the early ideas of a way to replace (most) spins with
> something that is more generic and useful. I have signed up for a
> fudcon session to brainstorm on this idea and see if it can be beaten
> into a plan/schedu
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> inode0 wrote:
>> People working on the elections certainly try to make the community
>> aware of the elections. Unfortunately we never seem to be able to get
>> everyone's attention.
>
> One issue is that the
On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Benjamin Lewis wrote:
> There is really no reason why the election messages couldn't go to all
> of FAS, and just have a note explaining that you need cla_done to vote.
>
> There is equally no reason, aside from it being more admin work, why you
> couldn't have two
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:33:33 -0600, inode0 wrote:
>
>> >> Looks like it was sent to the devel list as well.
>> >>
>> >> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-December/174779.html
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 09:59:03 -0600, inode0 wrote:
>
>> Looks like it was sent to the devel list as well.
>>
>> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-December/174779.html
>
> 417 messages in Dec
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Brian C. Lane wrote:
> I just saw the Fedora election results, and was surprised to learn there
> had been an election. After some digging I figured out what happened.
>
> Robyn sends her announce emails to: announce@, devel-announce@,
> test-announce@
>
> I saw th
On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 7:12 AM, Dan Mashal wrote:
> This IS a rant. And this includes a few analogies. Some good, some bad.
>
> This is one of the reasons why I chose to run for board.
>
> Nobody really knows where Fedora is going. It's like a too many chefs problem.
We might not have enough chef
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 09:43:41AM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>> Anyway, I'd like to hear what FESCo members have to say about this,
>> because it would strongly influence who I would vote for.
>
> Yeah, I too came up with a couple of
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 13:59:16 -0700 (PDT)
> Henrique Junior wrote:
>
>> Fedora multi-arch [1] is a
>> good idea that is not receiving the emphasis it should. In fact, most
>> people do not even know it exists and I wonder why not give a little
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> inode0 wrote:
>> The "quota" for these would need to be much higher already as the
>> Multi-Desktop is now 6.1GB
>
> The Multi Desktop Live DVD is dual-layer, it's not expected to fit 4.7 GB.
> But dual
On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Andre Robatino wrote:
>> Would it be possible for QA to get access to the Multi Desktops before
>> release and test those directly against a media-determined hard limit?
>
> That makes sense, though the problem then is which spin gets the bla
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Tomas Mraz wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 21:30 -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
>> El Sat, 2 Jun 2012 12:18:17 -0400
>> Orcan Ogetbil escribió:
>> > On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
>> > >
>> > > The only Freedom you've lost is that now, in additi
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 12:18:17PM -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote:
>
>> Hmm, will the package maintainers have the freedom to not support
>> users who have the secureboot enabled? How are we going to detect
>> this?
>
> Any piece of userspace c
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On 4/3/12 9:44 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
>>
>> Anyway, we can easily arrange things so that the installer does not get
>> autostarted anymore once you tick the 'No thanks, just playing'
>> checkbox.
>
>
> Instead of autolaunching the install
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Scott Doty wrote:
> On 02/10/2012 10:57 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 10:39 -0800, Scott Doty wrote:
>>> On 02/10/2012 10:05 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
You're not supposed to be running Fedora on production servers. That is
not what
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Karel Zak wrote:
> I'd like to remove:
>
> ddate - converts Gregorian dates to Discordian dates
>
> command from rawhide (F17). IMHO this crazy command is used by very
> very small minority of Fedora users.
>
> Comments?
That would make me very sad. Instead
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Bernd Stramm wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 10:41:36 -0600
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
>
>> I welcome posts back on the technical topic of trusted boot. ;)
>
> Right.
>
> So can we have specifics about what it's good for? Not how it is
> implemented, but what the purpos
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Nils Philippsen wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 22:46 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
>
>> Right. I'm not saying Jarod should issue Fedora Arrest Warrants (FAWs?)
>
> I like this. We also need black helicopters.
Those are in the hangars at the secret desert compound now
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Jon Masters wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 18:09 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>> That's a good point, but I would hope that someone elected to serve on a
>> body in Fedora would actually *want* to vote, and the measures above are
>> just ideas meant to be motivation/
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Manuel Escudero wrote:
> 1) We're already using a GOOGLE SEARCH BOX!! in
> http://start.fedoraproject.org/ ¿Do you have the code for this one?
> NO. And Fedora Project is using it. I'm sharing a "Fedora Solution" an
> applied search engine for the community. and I
On Saturday, August 14, 2010, Jesse Keating wrote:
> I'm still looking for an android email client that allows me to place
> the reply below the quoted text. I guess an alternative is to delete
> the entire quoted text...
While not very convenient the web browser let's you do whatever you please
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:41 AM, David Malcolm wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 20:51 -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, inode0 wrote:
>> > Sadly they don't have categories like the best linux distribution for
>> > developers there.
>>
>> I
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, inode0 wrote:
>> Sadly they don't have categories like the best linux distribution for
>> developers there.
>>
>
> Is that what we're doing? If so would we win it?
One thing I know
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Feb 2010, Mike McGrath wrote:
>>
>> I really don't know what our users are a measure of. I don't think it's
>> marketing as inode0 suggests, because the people using Fedora already know
>> a
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 16:25 -0600, inode0 wrote:
> Since we can't act as a single hive mind, we have to come to some sort
> of agreement, and to do so, we need guidelines rather than "whatever I
> feel like t
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 12:54 -0600, inode0 wrote:
>>
>> I believe that what fundamentally makes the Fedora Project a great
>> place to be is that it is an open community where the participants
>> share a group of
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:26 AM, John Poelstra wrote:
> Adam Miller said the following on 02/03/2010 08:02 AM Pacific Time:
>> I'm not on some crusade to undermine the Board if that's what you
>> think, I'm honestly looking for clarification but not only from those
>> involved in the Board but the
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> Unless you were misquoted the question you asked was:
>
> "Isn't it amazing how thousands of contributors doing whatever they want
> created such a spectacular OS?" [1]
That was a rhetorical answer to the question, "Does letting thousands
o
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Robyn Bergeron
wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:54 AM, inode0 wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
>>> And to answer your question about what "isnt' broken". I suggest you look
>>> at our htt
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, inode0 wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
>> > And to answer your question about what "isnt' broken". I suggest you look
>> > at our http://f
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Mike McGrath wrote:
> And to answer your question about what "isnt' broken". I suggest you look
> at our http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics page. We've only seen
> growth in 2 of our last 6 releases. Think about that.
While I don't see that as directly re
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