Fedora eln compose report: 20241219.n.0 changes

2024-12-18 Thread Fedora ELN Report
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Re: Forming a lightweight SIG around MkDocs

2024-12-18 Thread Michel Lind
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 07:21:07PM +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote: > On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 6:31 PM Matthew Miller > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 11:17:12AM -0600, Michel Lind wrote: > > > but the only document I see for creating a SIG is still only a wiki page > > > https://fedoraprojec

Re: Revocation of provenpackager access from pbrobinson

2024-12-18 Thread Randy Barlow via devel
On Thu, 2024-12-19 at 00:31 +0100, Javier Martinez Canillas wrote: > I don't understand what was the goal exactly of making this a public > announcement rather than just notifying the decision to the affected > person. And I also don't understand what was the hurry to do it > before > having a publ

Re: Revocation of provenpackager access from pbrobinson

2024-12-18 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 at 22:35, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Oh, one additional item I wanted to mention... > > I wonder if we could encourage maintainers/community members to do > something like this: > https://cassidoo.co/post/remote-intros/ > > TLDR: a small page listing your contact prefs, timezones, e

Re: Revocation of provenpackager access from pbrobinson

2024-12-18 Thread Javier Martinez Canillas
On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 7:22 PM Al Stone wrote: > > On 16 Dec 2024 08:08, Stephen Smoogen wrote: > > On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 at 20:33, Josh Stone wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday (2024-12-10), the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee > > > (FESCo) met in a private meeting to discuss whether Fedora contri

Re: Forming a lightweight SIG around MkDocs

2024-12-18 Thread Neil Hanlon
Excellent! Thanks for putting this together Davide. Count me in. --Neil On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 7:55 AM Davide Cavalca wrote: > > MkDocs (https://www.mkdocs.org/) is a Markdown-based website maker, > geared towards technical documentation. The CentOS Project has > historically used MkDocs for S

Re: Revocation of provenpackager access from pbrobinson

2024-12-18 Thread Alexander Ploumistos
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 11:35 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Oh, one additional item I wanted to mention... > > I wonder if we could encourage maintainers/community members to do > something like this: > https://cassidoo.co/post/remote-intros/ > > TLDR: a small page listing your contact prefs, timezone

Re: Revocation of provenpackager access from pbrobinson

2024-12-18 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Oh, one additional item I wanted to mention... I wonder if we could encourage maintainers/community members to do something like this: https://cassidoo.co/post/remote-intros/ TLDR: a small page listing your contact prefs, timezones, etc. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- _

Re: Revocation of provenpackager access from pbrobinson

2024-12-18 Thread Simon de Vlieger
On 12/18/24 8:26 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Since I have not chimed in on this yet, let me just say that I am deeply sorry how the communication/timing/process went here. At the least I should have realized that many fesco members would be already away this week, so with lack of quorum, it's hard for

Re: Council update [was Re: On revoking provenpackager from probinson]

2024-12-18 Thread Simon de Vlieger
On 12/18/24 6:27 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: The Fedora Council met today. After our regular meeting (where we're taking the next formal step in the gitforge process!) [1], we had a private video call for about half an hour on this topic. As transparency is part of what's at issue, we intentionally

[heads up] update to astyle 3.6.6 with a soname bump in rawhide

2024-12-18 Thread Dan Horák
Hi, I am going to update astyle to the latest 3.6.6 version that changes ABI and also changes soname. The 2 dependent packages (codeblocks and kdevelop) will be rebuilt in a side-tag. Dan -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedo

Re: Revocation of provenpackager access from pbrobinson

2024-12-18 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 02:28:09PM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > This is not recent example, but really bad example of PP's work IMHO: > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/ruby/c/c31c7edb6913eb7417ee68c59997548df2943dde I do not think nitpicking over _ten year old_ commits is helpful. -- Matthew

Re: Forming a lightweight SIG around MkDocs

2024-12-18 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 07:21:07PM +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote: > For the latter (i.e. also be able to add the group with commit access > to packages), you actually *MUST* create a mailing list, which needs > to be associated with the bugzilla account of the group, and where > bugzilla will send b

Re: libntlm soname bump

2024-12-18 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, Dec 09, 2024 at 10:09:44AM -0800, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Hey folks. > > In 1 week, I'd like to bump libntlm from 1.6 to 1.8. > This involves a soname bump. > > Affected are I think (gkrellm and libgsasl). > Maintainers bcced here. > > I ran a mpb on the 1.8 version and both those packages

Re: Revocation of provenpackager access from pbrobinson

2024-12-18 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Since I have not chimed in on this yet, let me just say that I am deeply sorry how the communication/timing/process went here. At the least I should have realized that many fesco members would be already away this week, so with lack of quorum, it's hard for fesco as a whole to respond or take actio

Re: Revocation of provenpackager access from pbrobinson

2024-12-18 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 02:28:09PM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > Dne 16. 12. 24 v 23:13 Miroslav Suchý napsal(a): > >Dne 16. 12. 24 v 7:03 odp. Miro Hrončok napsal(a): > >> > >>And based on my experience, I doubt this particular > >>provenpackager status was stripped based on something like that.

Re: Forming a lightweight SIG around MkDocs

2024-12-18 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 6:31 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 11:17:12AM -0600, Michel Lind wrote: > > but the only document I see for creating a SIG is still only a wiki page > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Creating_a_Fedora_SIG > > This all desperately needs a refresh. All

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 6:35 PM Clemens Lang wrote: > > I realized that after I clicked send, but I don’t think it really makes a > difference. > The main admin for many of the packages maintained by the crypto team is no > longer the person that takes care of the tickets by default. > > For exa

Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers

2024-12-18 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 10:55:13AM -0600, Jason Tibbitts wrote: > > maxwell--- via devel-announce > > writes: > > > fedscm-admin cqi, ignatenkobrain, limb, 3 weeks > > ago > > mohanboddu, orphan, tibbs > >

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Clemens Lang
Hi, > On 18. Dec 2024, at 17:51, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 10:43 AM Clemens Lang wrote: >> >> See https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/stunnel, or >> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/gnutls, owned by @crypto-team. > > Looks like there are multiple different things be

Re: Forming a lightweight SIG around MkDocs

2024-12-18 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 11:17:12AM -0600, Michel Lind wrote: > but the only document I see for creating a SIG is still only a wiki page > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Creating_a_Fedora_SIG This all desperately needs a refresh. All I ask is: please, please don't create a new mailing list. :) --

Council update [was Re: On revoking provenpackager from probinson]

2024-12-18 Thread Matthew Miller
The Fedora Council met today. After our regular meeting (where we're taking the next formal step in the gitforge process!) [1], we had a private video call for about half an hour on this topic. As transparency is part of what's at issue, we intentionally did not make any decisions in that call; we

Re: Forming a lightweight SIG around MkDocs

2024-12-18 Thread Michel Lind
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 12:55:07PM +, Davide Cavalca wrote: > MkDocs (https://www.mkdocs.org/) is a Markdown-based website maker, geared > towards technical documentation. The CentOS Project has historically used > MkDocs for SIG documentation, and the CentOS Docs SIG has recently > standardize

Re: Fedora rawhide compose report: 20241218.n.0 changes

2024-12-18 Thread Yaakov Selkowitz
On 12/18/24 03:07, Fedora Rawhide Report wrote: = DROPPED PACKAGES = Package: libtimezonemap-0.4.5.3-2.fc41 Summary: Time zone map widget for Gtk+ RPMs:libtimezonemap libtimezonemap-devel Size:12.34 MiB libtimezonemap seems to have been prematurely retired. While anaconda no l

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 02:15:23PM +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 09:03:45AM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 09:53:17AM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > > Dne 18. 12. 24 v 1:38 dop. maxwell--- via devel-announce napsal(a): > > > > The followi

Re: F42 libtimezone unannounced removal

2024-12-18 Thread Michel Lind
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 03:08:25PM -, Leigh Scott wrote: > Please readd libtimezone for f42 and give me ownership. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2333021 > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/libtimezonemap/c/3e1e20e5d49c4a3b144f8fb285c4b913dfc9bd43?branch=rawhide Indeed, t

Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers

2024-12-18 Thread Jason Tibbitts
> maxwell--- via devel-announce > writes: > fedscm-admin cqi, ignatenkobrain, limb, 3 weeks > ago > mohanboddu, orphan, tibbs > I can't think of any reason this shouldn't simply be retired. All of the

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 10:43 AM Clemens Lang wrote: > > Hi Neal, > > > On 18. Dec 2024, at 10:21, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > One thing I hope we never do is allow something to be principally > > owned by groups as a rule. > > See https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/stunnel, or > https://src.fedor

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 3:40 PM Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Dne 18. 12. 24 v 2:25 odp. Emmanuel Seyman napsal(a): > > If there are several co-maintainers, which one do you choose? > > Anyone. That's literally the worst way to handle this IMO. Packages that get orphaned due to long-standing "issues

Re: F42 libtimezone unannounced removal

2024-12-18 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Wed, 2024-12-18 at 15:08 +, Leigh Scott wrote: > Please readd libtimezone for f42 and give me ownership. > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2333021 > > https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/libtimezonemap/c/3e1e20e5d49c4a3b144f8fb285c4b913dfc9bd43?branch=rawhide IMHO , we should

Re: F42 libtimezone unannounced removal

2024-12-18 Thread Leigh Scott
libtimezone = libtimezonemap -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidel

Re: F42 libtimezone unannounced removal

2024-12-18 Thread Leigh Scott
releng ticket filed https://pagure.io/releng/issue/12505 -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/

F42 libtimezone unannounced removal

2024-12-18 Thread Leigh Scott
Please readd libtimezone for f42 and give me ownership. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2333021 https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/libtimezonemap/c/3e1e20e5d49c4a3b144f8fb285c4b913dfc9bd43?branch=rawhide -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@l

Re: On revoking provenpackager from probinson

2024-12-18 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 11:00:49PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > make one up on the fly, which seems not to have gone optimally. But I > don't think the reasonable conclusion to draw from this is "everything > must either fall under the CoC or nothing". Strong agree. Code of Conduct Committee is

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 18. 12. 24 v 13:18 Miroslav Suchý napsal(a): Dne 18. 12. 24 v 10:53 dop. Daniel P. Berrangé napsal(a): I don't accept that co-maintainers are (or should be assumed to be) "typically" non-responsive. That is a depressing denigration of many Fedora co-maintainer's work. During this year, as

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 18. 12. 24 v 2:25 odp. Emmanuel Seyman napsal(a): If there are several co-maintainers, which one do you choose? Anyone. If one of those co-maintainers is there to maintain a specific part of the package (a given feature, bindings to $LANGUAGE, ...), how do you ensure he is not promoted t

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 18. 12. 24 12:53, Miroslav Suchý wrote: Dne 18. 12. 24 v 10:53 dop. Miro Hrončok napsal(a): When the package is orphaned (e.g. because the buzgilla that said it does not install was ignored by all 8 maintainers), it would be assigned to one of them, we are at 7 maintainers. It would take 8 a

Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers

2024-12-18 Thread Davide Cavalca
aprsd orphan 4 weeks ago xdemorse orphan 4 weeks ago xpsk31orphan 4 weeks ago I've taken these. Cheers Davide -- _

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
* Miroslav Suchý [18/12/2024 12:59] : > > emails. And instead of putting the package on the list, it would the API > call to pagure and assign the package to another co-maintainer. So there > will be alway one main-maintainer. If there are several co-maintainers, which one do you choose? If one o

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 09:03:45AM +, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 09:53:17AM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Dne 18. 12. 24 v 1:38 dop. maxwell--- via devel-announce napsal(a): > > > The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they > > > are orphaned fo

Re: Forming a lightweight SIG around MkDocs

2024-12-18 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 5:55 AM Davide Cavalca wrote: > > MkDocs (https://www.mkdocs.org/) is a Markdown-based website maker, > geared towards technical documentation. The CentOS Project has > historically used MkDocs for SIG documentation, and the CentOS Docs SIG > has recently standardized on Mk

Forming a lightweight SIG around MkDocs

2024-12-18 Thread Davide Cavalca
MkDocs (https://www.mkdocs.org/) is a Markdown-based website maker, geared towards technical documentation. The CentOS Project has historically used MkDocs for SIG documentation, and the CentOS Docs SIG has recently standardized on MkDocs for the overall project, leading to the creation of a co

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 18. 12. 24 v 10:53 dop. Daniel P. Berrangé napsal(a): I don't accept that co-maintainers are (or should be assumed to be) "typically" non-responsive. That is a depressing denigration of many Fedora co-maintainer's work. During this year, as part of my work on SPDX, I opened several hundreds

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 18. 12. 24 v 10:51 dop. Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Also making `ruby-packagers-sig` as a primary contact is problematic, because the group cannot e.g. retire such package without opening rel-eng ticket. Valid concern. Can be solved by skipping @ID. So only real people would be assigned. -- Mi

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 18. 12. 24 v 10:03 dop. Daniel P. Berrangé napsal(a): What would you suggest if there are currently 2 (or more) "admin"s (co-maintainers). No. I thinking about implementation in the script that generates   "Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers" emails. And instead of putting the

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 18. 12. 24 v 10:53 dop. Miro Hrončok napsal(a): When the package is orphaned (e.g. because the buzgilla that said it does not install was ignored by all 8 maintainers), it would be assigned to one of them, we are at 7 maintainers. It would take 8 another weeks to orphan it again, and again,

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Michael J Gruber
Daniel P. Berrangé venit, vidit, dixit 2024-12-18 10:53:00: > On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 10:43:33AM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > I would object! We've been there prior we arrived to the current workflow. > > And the typical situation was that such package was moved from one > > non-responsive maintai

Re: F42 Change Proposal: Switch to git-core (self-contained)

2024-12-18 Thread Pavel Raiskup
On čtvrtek 5. prosince 2024 10:21:28, středoevropský standardní čas Pavel Raiskup wrote: > Would you mind updating the change wiki page with the list of > features/commands that are provided by the `git` package on top of > `git-core`? Is it expected we do this only for Fedora Rawhide, or > shall

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Miro Hrončok
On 18. 12. 24 9:53, Miroslav Suchý wrote: Dne 18. 12. 24 v 1:38 dop. maxwell--- via devel-announce napsal(a): The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure that the package should be retired, please

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 10:43:33AM +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: > I would object! We've been there prior we arrived to the current workflow. > And the typical situation was that such package was moved from one > non-responsive maintainer to the other non-responsive maintainer. With my > handle beginni

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 18. 12. 24 v 10:42 Clemens Lang napsal(a): Hi Neal, On 18. Dec 2024, at 10:21, Neal Gompa wrote: One thing I hope we never do is allow something to be principally owned by groups as a rule. See https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/stunnel, or https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/gnutls, ow

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Vít Ondruch
I would object! We've been there prior we arrived to the current workflow. And the typical situation was that such package was moved from one non-responsive maintainer to the other non-responsive maintainer. With my handle beginning with "v" I was always the last to become the maintainer and I

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Clemens Lang
Hi Neal, > On 18. Dec 2024, at 10:21, Neal Gompa wrote: > > One thing I hope we never do is allow something to be principally > owned by groups as a rule. See https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/stunnel, or https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/gnutls, owned by @crypto-team. > As a general pract

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 02:21:19AM -0700, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 2:04 AM Daniel P. Berrangé > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 09:53:17AM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > > Dne 18. 12. 24 v 1:38 dop. maxwell--- via devel-announce napsal(a): > > > > The following package

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 2:04 AM Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 09:53:17AM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > > Dne 18. 12. 24 v 1:38 dop. maxwell--- via devel-announce napsal(a): > > > The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they > > > are orphaned for six w

Re: Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Daniel P . Berrangé
On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 09:53:17AM +0100, Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Dne 18. 12. 24 v 1:38 dop. maxwell--- via devel-announce napsal(a): > > The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they > > are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure > > that the p

Promoting co-maintainer to main maintainer for orphaned packages?

2024-12-18 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 18. 12. 24 v 1:38 dop. maxwell--- via devel-announce napsal(a): The following packages are orphaned and will be retired when they are orphaned for six weeks, unless someone adopts them. If you know for sure that the package should be retired, please do so now with a proper reason: https://fed

Fedora rawhide compose report: 20241218.n.0 changes

2024-12-18 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20241217.n.0 NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20241218.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:3 Dropped images: 4 Added packages: 3 Dropped packages:1 Upgraded packages: 76 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 953.22 KiB Size of dropped packages