Demi Marie Obenour wrote:
> If Fedora legally cannot ship a version of OpenJDK that hasn’t
> passed the TCK, but which is still compatible with the vast majority
> of Java code, then OpenJDK isn’t free software and Fedora cannot
> ship it at all. Conversely, if OpenJDK is free software, then Fedor
On 5/18/22 23:57, Jerry James wrote:
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:41 PM Jerry James wrote:
I just updated my home machine to F36. Now, when I try to debug a
Fedora-built package after installing the appropriate debuginfo
packages with dnf, I get:
(No debugging symbols found in .gnu_debugdata fo
Hi,
I'm planning to update all of the LLVM packages in f36/rawhide to 14.0.3.
This release is API/ABI compatible with 14.0.0, so most packages that
depend on llvm won't need to be rebuilt. However, some packages hard-code
the resource directory for clang which has the version in its path, so tho
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:41 PM Jerry James wrote:
> I just updated my home machine to F36. Now, when I try to debug a
> Fedora-built package after installing the appropriate debuginfo
> packages with dnf, I get:
>
> (No debugging symbols found in .gnu_debugdata for [path to ELF object])
>
> for
I just updated my home machine to F36. Now, when I try to debug a
Fedora-built package after installing the appropriate debuginfo
packages with dnf, I get:
(No debugging symbols found in .gnu_debugdata for [path to ELF object])
for every library. Is debuginfod the only supported way to get usab
Add `slab_nomerge init_on_alloc=1 init_on_free=1 page_alloc.shuffle=1 pti=on
randomize_kstack_offset=on vsyscall=none ` as default kernel command line
arguments. This can help prevent local exploits by making it harder to exploit
the kernel. I do not think there will be any breakage, I have been
Add `slab_nomerge init_on_alloc=1 init_on_free=1 page_alloc.shuffle=1 pti=on
randomize_kstack_offset=on vsyscall=none ` as default kernel command line
arguments. This can help prevent local exploits by making it harder to exploit
the kernel. I do not think there will be any breakage, I have been
On Monday, May 16, 2022 11:00:06 AM CDT you wrote:
> With the release of ansible-collection-community-docker 2.5.1, the license
> has changed from `GPLv3+` > `GPLv3+ and Python`.
This same change applies to the new release of
ansible-collection-community-rabbitmq.
--
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Maxwell G (@gotma
Hi,
I am trying to request a package for RHEL 9, but I cannot find RHEL
under Projects at issues.redhat.com.
What is the correct project for RHEL 9 ?
Thanks
---
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On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 11:14 PM Josh Boyer wrote:
>
> Hi Fedora, CentOS, and EPEL Communities!
>
> As part of our continued 3 ye
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 10:08 PM Otto Urpelainen wrote:
> Neal's proposal seems simple and safe.
Except that it conflicts with another of the
proposal authors, who claims one will be
required to use %if-%else logic.
Limitations in tooling to not report violations
of the intention of the require
Ben Cotton kirjoitti 18.5.2022 klo 20.03:
We currently have three candidates for five open seats. This math does
not work out. You may nominate yourself (or someone else, with their
permission) before 2359 UTC on Wednesday 25 May.
On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 9:05 AM Ben Cotton wrote:
Now through
Rijul Gulati kirjoitti 15.5.2022 klo 21.05:
Hello Fedora,
My name is Rijul Gulati. I am a Software Developer from India.
I have been using Linux for a couple of years now, and would like to contribute
to the fedora project.
Welcome Rijul! Contributions are much appreciated.
I would like
Neal Gompa kirjoitti 18.5.2022 klo 19.40:
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 12:27 PM Vít Ondruch wrote:
Dne 18. 05. 22 v 15:51 David Cantrell napsal(a):
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 02:51:33PM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote:
On 17. 05. 22 21:49, Miro Hrončok wrote:
On 17. 05. 22 17:06, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
Minutes:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2022-05-18/fedora_coreos_meeting.2022-05-18-16.30.html
Minutes (text):
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2022-05-18/fedora_coreos_meeting.2022-05-18-16.30.txt
Log:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2022
On 18/05/2022 19:14, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
Every bundled library needs a Provides, not only the ones that would be
affected by this change.
Yes. And maintainers must include and keep up to date this information
in SPECs:
All packages whose upstreams have no mechanism to build against sys
On 5/18/22 06:45, jiri vanek wrote:
>> Why did you give up?
>>
>
> I'm unable to enumerate number of bugs we solved, or even dropped as
> unsolvable due to dynamic nature of distribution-correct JDK.
Can you provide an example of an unsolvable one?
>> At one point AdoptOpenJDK distributed binar
On Wed, May 18 2022 at 12:01:33 PM -0400, Neal Gompa
wrote:
At this point, I'd rather have an OpenJDK in Fedora than not.
I'll bite: why? Just so that it's easily available via RPM? It's
starting to sound like Fedora would be providing very little value here
on top of what is offered by upst
We currently have three candidates for five open seats. This math does
not work out. You may nominate yourself (or someone else, with their
permission) before 2359 UTC on Wednesday 25 May.
On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 9:05 AM Ben Cotton wrote:
>
> Now through 25 May, you may nominate candidates for th
On 18/05/2022 18:26, Simon Farnsworth wrote:
In English, "lie" means "a statement made by someone knowing it is not true".
It carries with it the idea that the person making the false statement knew it
was false, but claimed it was true anyway.
True, but we don't know for sure was it a mistake
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 12:27 PM Vít Ondruch wrote:
>
>
> Dne 18. 05. 22 v 15:51 David Cantrell napsal(a):
> > On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 02:51:33PM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> >> On 17. 05. 22 21:49, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> >>> On 17. 05. 22 17:06, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
> Dne 17. 05. 22 v 16:59
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 12:33 PM jiri vanek wrote:
>
> Hi Neal!
>
> We are participating on Wakefield too. Why do you think JDK in feora should
> miss it ?
> It does nto metter if it is static or dynamic one, it will just run correctly
> under wayaland. Or do I miss something?
The runtime libra
On 18/05/2022 17:51, jiri vanek wrote:
You can not put uncertified JDK to fedora.
Why not?
And we can no longer properly support certified dynamic builds
Hire new maintainers who can.
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Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org)
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Hi Neal!
We are participating on Wakefield too. Why do you think JDK in feora should
miss it ?
It does nto metter if it is static or dynamic one, it will just run correctly
under wayaland. Or do I miss something?
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On 18/05/2022 18:01, Neal Gompa wrote:
At this point, I'd rather have an OpenJDK in Fedora than not. If that
means switching to bundled libraries, then fine. But all bundled
libraries need to be documented in the spec file and that information
needs to be kept up to date.
They also want to bund
On 18/05/2022 17:28, Peter Boy wrote:
You neglect the reality.
RPM is still the main package format on Fedora.
One alternative installation source is flatpak, that is gaining approval among
more and more Fedora developers, and more and more are switching to it.
Do you mean a third-party re
Dne 18. 05. 22 v 15:51 David Cantrell napsal(a):
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 02:51:33PM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote:
On 17. 05. 22 21:49, Miro Hrončok wrote:
On 17. 05. 22 17:06, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
Dne 17. 05. 22 v 16:59 Miro Hrončok napsal(a):
Thanks for the explanation. Could this be explicit
On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 15:41:17 BST Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 18/05/2022 13:47, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
>
> > Then call it "incorrect". Saying it's a lie implies intent to mislead,
> > while there obviously was none.
>
>
> Saying "lie" means "not true".
>
In English,
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 6:04 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 11:55 AM jiri vanek wrote:
> >
> > You can imagine TCK as gigantic and pretty good testsuite, runing 24hours
> > with quite complicated setup. The pull and setup and run is completely
> > autoamted, but it is a lot o
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 11:55 AM jiri vanek wrote:
>
> You can imagine TCK as gigantic and pretty good testsuite, runing 24hours
> with quite complicated setup. The pull and setup and run is completely
> autoamted, but it is a lot of HW you need (all architecures x all oses x all
> jdks). In a
One one side it is good testsuite, on second something yo have to pass to
publish. So if users in fedora should have distribution-packed JDKs, someone
have to run (At least) them.
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You can imagine TCK as gigantic and pretty good testsuite, runing 24hours with
quite complicated setup. The pull and setup and run is completely autoamted,
but it is a lot of HW you need (all architecures x all oses x all jdks). In
adition, you need human power to keep with TCK evolution, somet
You can not put uncertified JDK to fedora. And we can no longer properly
support certified dynamic builds. We realy do no like this change, but we do
not see another way.
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On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 11:28 AM Peter Boy wrote:
>
>
>
> > Am 18.05.2022 um 16:36 schrieb Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
> > :
> >
> > On 18/05/2022 11:27, Peter Boy wrote:
> >> We didn’t lost Eclipse, we switched from RPM to another distribution
> >> method. The same with Netbeans.
> >
> > No RPMS i
> Am 18.05.2022 um 16:36 schrieb Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
> :
>
> On 18/05/2022 11:27, Peter Boy wrote:
>> We didn’t lost Eclipse, we switched from RPM to another distribution method.
>> The same with Netbeans.
>
> No RPMS in Fedora repositories => Fedora lost them.
You neglect the reality.
On 18/05/2022 17:04, Stephen Smoogen wrote:
It generally means and is interpreted as 'not true with the intention of
deceiving'. 'incorrect' is considered 'not true'.
The Oxford English Dictionary gives the following answer:
lie (noun) - an intentionally false statement
used with reference to
On Wed, 18 May 2022 at 10:41, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel <
devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On 18/05/2022 13:47, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
> > Then call it "incorrect". Saying it's a lie implies intent to mislead,
> > while there obviously was none.
>
> Saying "lie" means "not tru
On 18/05/2022 14:09, Stephen Snow wrote:
Below is the link to the JCK/TCK and to be able to use the OpenJDK name
you must sign the agreement and then you get access to the JCK which is
the certification test API.
That means that OpenJDK is no longer a free software and can't be
distributed by
On 18/05/2022 13:47, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote:
Then call it "incorrect". Saying it's a lie implies intent to mislead,
while there obviously was none.
Saying "lie" means "not true".
--
Sincerely,
Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org)
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Hi,
"jiri vanek" writes:
> As for .NET - you can not compare.
That's completely fair. One (OpenJDK) has been open source in various
forms for 15 years. The other has been (re-designed and made) open
source for around 5 years now. 10 years is an eternity, and has both
positive and negative impli
On 18/05/2022 11:27, Peter Boy wrote:
We didn’t lost Eclipse, we switched from RPM to another distribution method.
The same with Netbeans.
No RPMS in Fedora repositories => Fedora lost them.
--
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Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org)
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Hi,
Neal Gompa writes:
> The Python team made "Fedora Loves Python": https://fedoralovespython.org/
> The .NET team maintains the Developer page for .NET and has a domain
> redirect to it: https://fedoraloves.net/
For the record, the .NET SIG has a bus factor of one (maybe two) people
when it c
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 9:49 AM Mario Torre wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 11:52 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
>
> > I'm confused how this would not negatively impact the user experience,
> > because things like FreeType and HarfBuzz in Fedora have features and
> > configuration that are non-default t
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 02:51:33PM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> On 17. 05. 22 21:49, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> > On 17. 05. 22 17:06, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
> > > Dne 17. 05. 22 v 16:59 Miro Hrončok napsal(a):
> > > > Thanks for the explanation. Could this be explicitly written in
> > > > the change pro
On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 11:52 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
> I'm confused how this would not negatively impact the user experience,
> because things like FreeType and HarfBuzz in Fedora have features and
> configuration that are non-default that improve the font rendering
> capabilities of applications t
On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 03:30:43PM -0400, Kevin P. Fleming wrote:
> On 5/17/22 14:35, David Cantrell wrote:
> > I think a better thing to do would be to use a scanner like scancode[1]
> > to
> > check the source tree in question and then construct a License expression
> > for
> > the spec file fro
On 5/17/22 21:39, Orion Poplawski wrote:
> libfabric 1.15.1 builds on x86_64 are failing because the final LTO link
> seems to consume all available memory:
...
> gcc: fatal error: Killed signal terminated program lto1
> compilation terminated.
> lto-wrapper: fatal error: gcc returned 1 exit statu
On Wed, 2022-05-18 at 14:39 +0200, Petr Pisar wrote:
> V Wed, May 18, 2022 at 08:09:06AM -0400, Stephen Snow napsal(a):
> > Once upon a time On Tue, 2022-05-17 at 10:29 -0500, Chris Adams
> > wrote:(snip unrelated) ...
> > > In this thread it was claimed (I believe by a packager) that TCK
> > > is
On Wed, 2022-05-18 at 07:27 -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> Once upon a time, Stephen Snow said:
> > Once upon a time On Tue, 2022-05-17 at 10:29 -0500, Chris Adams
> > wrote:(snip unrelated) ...
> > > In this thread it was claimed (I believe by a packager) that TCK
> > > is
> > > important to Java us
On 17. 05. 22 21:49, Miro Hrončok wrote:
On 17. 05. 22 17:06, Miroslav Suchý wrote:
Dne 17. 05. 22 v 16:59 Miro Hrončok napsal(a):
Thanks for the explanation. Could this be explicitly written in the change
proposal?
Yes. I will amend the proposal with FAQ posted in this thread.
Also, when y
V Wed, May 18, 2022 at 08:09:06AM -0400, Stephen Snow napsal(a):
> Once upon a time On Tue, 2022-05-17 at 10:29 -0500, Chris Adams
> wrote:(snip unrelated) ...
> > In this thread it was claimed (I believe by a packager) that TCK is
> > important to Java users, but I haven't seen any users say that.
Am 18.05.22 um 11:27 schrieb Peter Boy:
We didn’t lost Eclipse, we switched from RPM to another distribution method.
Do you mean the Eclipse flatpak? I tried the flatpak but in the end went back to
upstream's plain binaries as the Flatpak does not work well when using pydev.
So for my use
Hello all,
Fedora 34 will go end of life for updates and support on 2022-06-07
No further updates, including security updates, will be
available for Fedora 34 after the said date. All the updates of Fedora
34 being pushed to stable will be stopped as well.
Regards,
Fedora Release Engineering
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Once upon a time, Stephen Snow said:
> Once upon a time On Tue, 2022-05-17 at 10:29 -0500, Chris Adams
> wrote:(snip unrelated) ...
> > In this thread it was claimed (I believe by a packager) that TCK is
> > important to Java users, but I haven't seen any users say that.
> >
> > I'm not a Java us
Once upon a time On Tue, 2022-05-17 at 10:29 -0500, Chris Adams
wrote:(snip unrelated) ...
> In this thread it was claimed (I believe by a packager) that TCK is
> important to Java users, but I haven't seen any users say that.
>
> I'm not a Java user... I had never heard of TCK. I just went
> sea
Missing expected images:
Minimal raw-xz armhfp
Compose PASSES proposed Rawhide gating check!
All required tests passed
Failed openQA tests: 14/231 (x86_64), 19/161 (aarch64)
New failures (same test not failed in Fedora-Rawhide-20220517.n.0):
ID: 1271137 Test: x86_64 Workstation-live-iso ap
> Jiri Vanek wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, your mail does not clarify all that much for me. I actually
> see several contradictions, e.g.:
>
>
> vs.
>
>
> so "putting [the binary] onto some other system", "eg on super custom
> opensuse", is exactly what you want to be able to do.
I do not see i
On Tuesday, 17 May 2022 at 16:30, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 17/05/2022 14:36, Stephen Smoogen wrote:
> > I am going to ask you once to dial back your rhetoric. Calling people
> > liars for having definitions of firmware and drivers isn't helpful to
> > this conversation.
>
> I've never
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 12:28 PM jiri vanek wrote:
>
> > Once, long ago, we were the leader in the Linux Java ecosystem, but
> > ironically as Red Hat's influence in OpenJDK grew, investment in
> > Fedora dwindled.
>
> That really is not true. But maybe we were doing to much to keep any java
> s
No missing expected images.
Soft failed openQA tests: 1/8 (x86_64), 1/8 (aarch64)
(Tests completed, but using a workaround for a known bug)
Old soft failures (same test soft failed in Fedora-Cloud-34-20220517.0):
ID: 1271463 Test: x86_64 Cloud_Base-qcow2-qcow2 cloud_autocloud
URL: https://op
Yo are right. Then probably the only precedent I have is shmi.
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> Why did you give up?
>
I'm unable to enumerate number of bugs we solved, or even dropped as unsolvable
due to dynamic nature of distribution-correct JDK.
>
> At one point AdoptOpenJDK distributed binaries that were not tested
> against the TCK (https://dzone.com/articles/an-overview-on-jdk-v
> On 5/17/22 08:33, Stephen Smoogen wrote:
> If I understand correctly, the main problem
> with the Java ecosystem
> is that it is based on redistribution of binaries, not source code.
> The focus is on building binaries that can be run on as many
> systems as possible, rather than on providing sou
> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 8:33 AM Stephen Smoogen wrote:
>
> My expectation is based on how both Python and .NET have done this:
>
> The Python team made "Fedora Loves Python": https://fedoralovespython.org/
> The .NET team maintains the Developer page for .NET and has a domain
> redirect to it:
> Once, long ago, we were the leader in the Linux Java ecosystem, but
> ironically as Red Hat's influence in OpenJDK grew, investment in
> Fedora dwindled.
That really is not true. But maybe we were doing to much to keep any java
somehow alive. This proposal will untie our hands, and we wil be a
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20220517.n.0
NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20220518.n.0
= SUMMARY =
Added images:1
Dropped images: 7
Added packages: 2
Dropped packages:1
Upgraded packages: 65
Downgraded packages: 0
Size of added packages: 5.61 MiB
Size of dropped packages
> Am 17.05.2022 um 15:02 schrieb Neal Gompa :
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 8:33 AM Stephen Smoogen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> So tell me, if we actually *did* this, what are *you* planning to do
>>> to make open source Java more attractive? What are you going to do to
>>
>>
>> Why is this their j
> Am 17.05.2022 um 05:08 schrieb Neal Gompa :
> I don't know if you're going to gain any sympathy for stating this,
> considering how badly the Fedora Java ecosystem has fallen apart in
> the span of five years. Both in the wider Red Hat world and within
> Fedora itself, Java has received less an
Hi,
I am trying to create a new package in Fedora: "zstd-jni"
https://github.com/luben/zstd-jni
This would allow our package "apache-commons-compress" to use zstd
compression. Note that zstd-jni is a separate project from zstd. They
just add some jni C and Java librry to use them.
I am facin
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