Re: Release criteria proposal: drop kickstart package criterion

On Tue, 2018-06-05 at 21:29 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > I'm not in favor of this change. Actually, what concerns me is that > there's an underlying problem that caused Adam to propose this: there > are only a few people with the necessary permissions to be able to > prepare the release, and that

Re: Self Introduction

Hello Jerry, Thank you! (謝謝！） Yes the 歡迎光臨 is mean welcome the people. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduc

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 2:27 PM, John Florian wrote: > On 06/05/2018 12:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> I don't understand the motivation of departing from upstreams, which >> by their nature are on a knife's edge balancing security and practical >> use in the real world. Why second guess that eff

Re: F29 System Wide Change: i686 Is For x86-64

El mar, 05-06-2018 a las 15:59 -0400, Adam Jackson escribió: > On Tue, 2018-06-05 at 13:20 -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > > > as part of this change I suspect we would need to make kernel > > changes > > to stop building a i686 kernel, and all i686 deliverables would > > stop > > being made. > >

Re: Release criteria proposal: drop kickstart package criterion

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 9:21 PM Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 2:13 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 02:26:25AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 12:39 AM, Adam Williamson > > > wrote: > > > > Hi, folks! > > > > > > > >

Self Introduction: Alois Mahdal

Hi everyone! My name is Alois Mahdal ('netvor' on FAS, freenode and other places), and I'm QE Engineer at Red Hat -- that is for last ~4.5 years. I live in Brno, Czech Republic. I've been FLOSS user/fan/enthusiast/advocate for about last 10 years or so, using GNU/Linux distros exclusively for ov

Re: [X86] Fwd: F29 System Wide Change: i686 Is For x86-64

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 5 June 2018 at 12:49, Jeff Backus wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:07 PM, Matthew Miller < > mat...@fedoraproject.org> > > wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 03:50:34PM -0400, Jeff Backus wrote: > >> > Thanks for

Re: Firefox is crashing constantly?

The bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1568097 ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html Li

Firefox is crashing constantly?

Since, firefox-60.0.1-5.fc28.x86_64 and unchanged with firefox-60.0.1-6.fc28.x86_64 I'm getting a dozen random crashes per day. It's not reproducible, near as I can tell, but happens often whether clicking on a link, typing in a field, or just looking away and having touched nothing. Abrt points m

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2

On 06/05/2018 12:25 PM, Tomas Mraz wrote: On Tue, 2018-06-05 at 16:11 +, Christian Stadelmann wrote: "Fallback option" always smells like "protocol downgrade attack". This would undermine the idea of a crypto policy. Anyway, implementing it seems way out of scope for the crypto policy. Yes,

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2

On 06/05/2018 12:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: I don't understand the motivation of departing from upstreams, which by their nature are on a knife's edge balancing security and practical use in the real world. Why second guess that effort and on what basis? Totally agree! Slightly off topic as an

Re: Release criteria proposal: drop kickstart package criterion

On 06/05/2018 07:59 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 7:13 AM Josh Boyer > wrote: On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 2:13 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek mailto:zbys...@in.waw.pl>> wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 02:26:25AM +0100, Pete

Re: F29 System Wide Change: i686 Is For x86-64

On Tue, 2018-06-05 at 13:20 -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > as part of this change I suspect we would need to make kernel changes > to stop building a i686 kernel, and all i686 deliverables would stop > being made. We would? - ajax ___ devel mailing lis

Re: Intent to drop python2-notebook

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote: > Let's bring it back. > Thank you, Miro, and sorry again for the trouble. I'm serious about helping to maintain the package, too, so let me know what I can do on that score. The second sagemath upstream releases a python 3 version, we can d

Re: F29 System Wide Change: i686 Is For x86-64

as part of this change I suspect we would need to make kernel changes to stop building a i686 kernel, and all i686 deliverables would stop being made. With the current tooling we would never be able to build 32 bit x86 containers, which is not something that is done today. I would also be curious

Re: [X86] Fwd: F29 System Wide Change: i686 Is For x86-64

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 1:55 PM Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On 5 June 2018 at 12:49, Jeff Backus wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:07 PM, Matthew Miller > > wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 03:50:34PM -0400, Jeff Backus wrote: > >> > Thanks for the data. 25k is still a pret

Re: [X86] Fwd: F29 System Wide Change: i686 Is For x86-64

On 5 June 2018 at 12:49, Jeff Backus wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:07 PM, Matthew Miller > wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 03:50:34PM -0400, Jeff Backus wrote: >> > Thanks for the data. 25k is still a pretty healthy number. :) I realize >> >> Yeah, absolutely. And it's likely that t

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 6:40 AM, Jan Kurik wrote: and weak Diffie-Hellman key exchange sizes (1024 bit) What size is currently required by upstream Firefox and Chrome? The most recent reference I could find is https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/security-dev/WyGIpevBV1s wh

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2

I don't understand the motivation of departing from upstreams, which by their nature are on a knife's edge balancing security and practical use in the real world. Why second guess that effort and on what basis? Slightly off topic as an anecdote, but the Payment Card Industry Data Security Standard

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2

On Tue, 2018-06-05 at 09:47 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2018-06-05 at 17:59 +0200, Till Maas wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 08:08:00AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > > I don't know, but it seems worth considering, and my basic point here > > > is this is something the Change

Re: Intent to drop python2-notebook

On 5.6.2018 18:42, Miro Hrončok wrote: On 5.6.2018 18:21, Jerry James wrote: On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Miro Hrončok > wrote:     On 11.5.2018 17:54, Miro Hrončok wrote:     python2-notebook is a leaf package (nothing in Fedora     (build)requires it).

Re: [X86] Fwd: F29 System Wide Change: i686 Is For x86-64

On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 10:07 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 03:50:34PM -0400, Jeff Backus wrote: > > Thanks for the data. 25k is still a pretty healthy number. :) I realize > > Yeah, absolutely. And it's likely that those mirror numbers undercount, > because not every system

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2

On Tue, 2018-06-05 at 17:59 +0200, Till Maas wrote: > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 08:08:00AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > I don't know, but it seems worth considering, and my basic point here > > is this is something the Change owner should be responsible for > > figuring out: making at least a

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2

On Tue, 2018-06-05 at 18:29 +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote: > On Tue, 2018-06-05 at 08:08 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2018-06-05 at 11:16 +0200, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: > > > On Mon, 2018-06-04 at 11:46 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2018-06-01 at 13:40 +0200, Jan Kurik

Re: Intent to drop python2-notebook

On 5.6.2018 18:21, Jerry James wrote: On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Miro Hrončok > wrote: On 11.5.2018 17:54, Miro Hrončok wrote: python2-notebook is a leaf package (nothing in Fedora (build)requires it). I'd like to drop it from rawhide. Any

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 4:14 AM, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: Note that this change, if applied, includes browsers shipped by fedora (i.e., firefox). That is pretty much all or nothing plan, either we bump the defaults for all software, or for none. Nikos, I'm really surprised to see you comm

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2

On Tue, 2018-06-05 at 08:08 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2018-06-05 at 11:16 +0200, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: > > On Mon, 2018-06-04 at 11:46 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Fri, 2018-06-01 at 13:40 +0200, Jan Kurik wrote: > > > > = Proposed System Wide Change: Strong crypto

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2

On Tue, 2018-06-05 at 16:11 +, Christian Stadelmann wrote: > "Fallback option" always smells like "protocol downgrade attack". > This would undermine the idea of a crypto policy. Anyway, > implementing it seems way out of scope for the crypto policy. Yes, a fallback option is a no-way. You can

Re: Intent to drop python2-notebook

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 11.5.2018 17:54, Miro Hrončok wrote: > >> python2-notebook is a leaf package (nothing in Fedora (build)requires >> it). I'd like to drop it from rawhide. Any objections? >> >> This **does not** affect the ability to run Jupyter Notebook (vi

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2

"Fallback option" always smells like "protocol downgrade attack". This would undermine the idea of a crypto policy. Anyway, implementing it seems way out of scope for the crypto policy. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscr

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2

On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 08:08:00AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > I don't know, but it seems worth considering, and my basic point here > is this is something the Change owner should be responsible for > figuring out: making at least a reasonable effort to evaluate which > important (particularly

Re: Intent to drop python2-notebook

On 11.5.2018 17:54, Miro Hrončok wrote: python2-notebook is a leaf package (nothing in Fedora (build)requires it). I'd like to drop it from rawhide. Any objections? This **does not** affect the ability to run Jupyter Notebook (via the jupyter-notebook command) with Python 2 kernel (from the p

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2

On Tue, 2018-06-05 at 11:16 +0200, Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos wrote: > On Mon, 2018-06-04 at 11:46 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Fri, 2018-06-01 at 13:40 +0200, Jan Kurik wrote: > > > = Proposed System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2 = > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/S

Re: Hiding the grub menu by default on single OS installs

Am 01.06.2018 um 20:22 schrieb Chris Murphy: > Ironically, server, cloud, and VMs all benefit the most from the > feature. I'm just a user/bystander for the most part of this discussion but I feel I have to correct this statement: For the most part, server boot time is determined by firmware st

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Hide the grub menu

Hi, On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:09:46PM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Talking from my experience running Rawhide on two my laptops for ~5 > years, I really don't remember where I would really need to use older > kernel. If I had to, it was probably due to something like audio issues > with my dockin

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2

Not just web sites.  Changes in Firefox and Chrome have already made working with embedded devices such as DRAC and storage servers nearly impossible.  IMO there needs to be a fallback option to still allow access to "insecure" sites that still use TLS 1.0 or older certificates that still use SHA-1

F29 Self Contained Change: Changes/Update festival to 2.5

= Proposed Self Contained Change: Changes/Update festival to 2.5 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Update_festival_to_2.5 Owner(s): * Lukáš Tyrychtr Update the packaged festival speech synthesis system to the latest upstream version. And just as a bonus make it actually work. == De

Re: Release criteria proposal: drop kickstart package criterion

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 7:13 AM Josh Boyer wrote: > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 2:13 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 02:26:25AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 12:39 AM, Adam Williamson > > > wrote: > > > > Hi, folks! > > > > > > > > W

Re: Release criteria proposal: drop kickstart package criterion

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 2:13 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 02:26:25AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 12:39 AM, Adam Williamson > > wrote: > > > Hi, folks! > > > > > > We currently have a Final release criterion that reads as follows: > >

Re: equivalent of Debian config-package?

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 5:51 AM Dave Love wrote: > > You wrote: > > > I think generally the Fedora/RH-ecosystem answer is to use Ansible for > > configuration, rather than configuration packages. > > > > That's not sayin' there can't be another answer, but in general that's > > the route *I'd* take

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2

On Mon, 2018-06-04 at 11:46 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2018-06-01 at 13:40 +0200, Jan Kurik wrote: > > = Proposed System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2 = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2 > > > How about clients for networking with other O

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Strong crypto settings: phase 2

On Fri, 2018-06-01 at 10:25 -0500, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 8:06 AM, Daniel P. Berrangé > wrote: > > What is the availibility of TLS 1.2 vs 1.1/1.0 on the internet ? > > ie how likely is this to break the ability of users to access > > websites > > they care about ? >

Re: F29 System Wide Change: Hide the grub menu

On 06/04/2018 06:09 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 1.6.2018 v 16:29 Ken Coar napsal(a): On 06/01/2018 05:06 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: It is irony, that people, who are capable to get into the grub menu if they need, complain about it being hidden. So to say, I am 100% for hiding the grub menu, speed