Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Ian Kent
On Wed, 2016-02-03 at 18:44 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Thu, 04 Feb 2016 09:09:33 +0800 > Ian Kent wrote: > > > I agree. > > > > I believe that package ownership has at least a couple of clear > > advantages for obvious reasons and I find it hard to understand how > > people can discount thei

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 08:44:32 -0700 Jerry James wrote: > Several people have said something similar lately, and it worries me. > I understand that we're trying to combat the hostility some packagers > show when somebody does something to "their" packages, but I'm > concerned that we may have swung

Fedora Rawhide 20160203 compose check report

2016-02-03 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images: Kde disk raw armhfp Cloud disk raw i386 Cloud disk raw x86_64 Cloud_atomic disk raw x86_64 Images in this compose but not Rawhide 20160202: Design_suite live x86_64 Generic boot x86_64 Lxde live i386 Soas disk raw armhfp Xfce disk raw armhfp Security live i386 Scientific

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 04 Feb 2016 09:09:33 +0800 Ian Kent wrote: > I agree. > > I believe that package ownership has at least a couple of clear > advantages for obvious reasons and I find it hard to understand how > people can discount their usefulness. > > 1) A point of contact and co-ordination for changes

Fedora Rawhide 20160203 compose check report

2016-02-03 Thread Fedora compose checker
Missing expected images: Kde disk raw armhfp Cloud disk raw i386 Cloud disk raw x86_64 Cloud_atomic disk raw x86_64 Images in this compose but not Rawhide 20160202: Design_suite live x86_64 Generic boot x86_64 Lxde live i386 Soas disk raw armhfp Xfce disk raw armhfp Security live i386 Scientific

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Ian Kent
On Wed, 2016-02-03 at 16:04 +, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > > If I send these two provenpackagers a somewhat hostile email, are you > > going to blame me? I have no problem with most provenpackager > > changes. In general, they have an obvious purpose and save me the > > work of making the same

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Ian Kent
On Wed, 2016-02-03 at 08:44 -0700, Jerry James wrote: > > I think we need to ask ourselves, as a project, what behaviors we want > to motivate and what behaviors we want to demotivate in our packagers. > I think we need to take human nature, flawed as it is, into account > when doing so. I fear t

Re: Unannounced soname bump: libpsl

2016-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote: > Why would it be a pointless edit? Surely you are editing it to update > to the new version, why wouldn't you also just edit it to adjust the > so files? or do you not test your version upgrade specs before firing > off official builds? Of course not. The rule of thumb is "Rawh

Re: DNF pains

2016-02-03 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Qua, 2016-02-03 at 15:10 -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 02/03/2016 02:28 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > > Problem #3: > > When running from say the /boot directory the same dnf command > > above: > > > > # dnf update kd*, kf*, q*, per*, pyt*, u*, v*, x* y*, z* > > > > dnf reports cannot install

Re: DNF pains

2016-02-03 Thread Felix Miata
Chris Murphy composed on 2016-02-03 15:54 (UTC-0700): > Felix Miata wrote: ... >> Does anyone here agree that each of the three would represent legitimate >> wishlist bugs, unlikely to be summarily dismissed as wontfix? > My expectation is that's a lot more work than for dnf to do a better > esti

Re: DNF pains

2016-02-03 Thread Dan Book
On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 02/03/2016 02:28 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > >> Problem #3: >> When running from say the /boot directory the same dnf command above: >> >> # dnf update kd*, kf*, q*, per*, pyt*, u*, v*, x* y*, z* >> >> dnf reports cannot install package

courier-unicode and maildrop update for rawhide

2016-02-03 Thread Brian C. Lane
I'll be updating these in rawhide only. The big change is that courier-unicode has changed the library name to libcourier-unicode and includes a couple extra header files. As far as I can tell the only package that cares is maildrop, so this shouldn't be an issue. -- Brian C. Lane | Anaconda Team

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 23:26:23 + Ian Malone wrote: > If this is a requirement then it rules out a lot of potential > packagers who are not full time employed to work on OSS. I could not > sit at my desk and respond to IRCs about Fedora all day. As with so much in life, IMHO, it's not a black an

Re: Unannounced soname bump: libpsl

2016-02-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 23:27:30 +0100 Kevin Kofler wrote: > Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > > This is the hazard of using %{_libdir}/*.so.* in %files. Is there > > any reason why such a syntax should NOT be formally discouraged in > > the packaging guidelines? > > There is: I do not want to have to po

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Ian Malone
On 3 February 2016 at 23:00, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Really, it is not realistic to expect people who need to urgently fix > something to write up a polite e-mail and wait possibly days for you to > reply (especially if you then answer that you don't want the change and more > days are wasted goi

Re: DNF pains

2016-02-03 Thread Colin Walters
On Wed, Feb 3, 2016, at 05:54 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > NAICT, DNF, like Yum before it, offers no option I can recognize from its > > man > > page to download less than all the to-be-updated/installed packages before > > proceeding to install any packages. Thus it downloads (typically hundred

Self Introduction: Fran Tsao

2016-02-03 Thread Francisco J. Tsao Santin
Hello /all, I've been using GNU/Linux since 1998. That year I joined to GPUL, the Coruña (North Spain) Linux Users Group. In these years I organised with my LUG a lot of free software hackmeetings, the greatest one, the GUADEC 2012. I was a Debian zealot more than 10 years, but because my curre

Re: DNF pains

2016-02-03 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 02/03/2016 02:28 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Problem #3: When running from say the /boot directory the same dnf command above: # dnf update kd*, kf*, q*, per*, pyt*, u*, v*, x* y*, z* dnf reports cannot install package inityada, cannot install package vmliyada, It ought to be smart e

Re: Help with Rawhide build error with GCC 6.0

2016-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jonathan Wakely wrote: > A workaround would be to make it too hard for the compiler to see the > problem: > > void* ptr = page->data; > _root = new (ptr) impl::xml_document_struct(page); > > This way GCC doesn't see that the address refers to a 1-byte array. Why not simply: char data[ #i

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jerry James wrote: > a. Last fall, a provenpackager updated a package for which I am the > primary point of contact (as well as the original submitter). The > update was to an upstream alpha release. It was alpha for a reason. > The release is super buggy. I had not updated to it on purpose. A

Re: DNF pains

2016-02-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > I have lots of test installations using identical partition sizes for EXT3 or > EXT4 / filesystems. the filesystem space these provided is adequate on all if > running Mageia or openSUSE, but quite often not for Fedora. Working around > the inad

Re: DNF pains

2016-02-03 Thread Subhendu Ghosh
Do we have zypper in Fedora? Perhaps we should give that a try? On Feb 3, 2016 23:28, "Felix Miata" wrote: > I have lots of test installations using identical partition sizes for EXT3 > or > EXT4 / filesystems. the filesystem space these provided is adequate on all > if > running Mageia or openS

DNF pains

2016-02-03 Thread Felix Miata
I have lots of test installations using identical partition sizes for EXT3 or EXT4 / filesystems. the filesystem space these provided is adequate on all if running Mageia or openSUSE, but quite often not for Fedora. Working around the inadequacy on Fedora presents problems #2 & #3. Problem #1: NAI

Re: Unannounced soname bump: libpsl

2016-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > This is the hazard of using %{_libdir}/*.so.* in %files. Is there any > reason why such a syntax should NOT be formally discouraged in the > packaging guidelines? There is: I do not want to have to pointlessly edit my specfile each time some soname changes, and waste a

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Rich Mattes
On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 16:04:19 +, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > >> When a provenpackager is rebuilding *hundreds* of packages at once, >> and trying to deal with maybe dozens of build failures, sending emails >> to all the package owners and wa

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
Michael Schwendt (mschwe...@gmail.com) said: > > Sometimes a provenpackager will make a bad change, and that's > > unfortunate, but it happens. Sometimes package owners make bad changes > > too! :-) > > You're taking it too lightly. Somebody who performs version upgrades really > needs to take ca

Re: Another GCC 6 & Rawhide build failure

2016-02-03 Thread Tom Callaway
On 02/03/2016 02:21 PM, Marek Polacek wrote: > Looks like a g++ bug; I opened > https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=69658 > to track it further. Thanks. Always nice to have someone else agree that it probably isn't my fault. :D ~tom == Red Hat -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedorapr

Re: Another GCC 6 & Rawhide build failure

2016-02-03 Thread Marek Polacek
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 02:10:46PM -0500, Tom Callaway wrote: > On 02/03/2016 01:57 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: > > > Okay, self-contained test case is: > > > > struct GVector4 { > > GVector4(int); > > }; > > struct GNamedSVGcolor { > > char Name[22]; > > GVector4 RGBA; > > }; > > > > static

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 16:04:19 +, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > When a provenpackager is rebuilding *hundreds* of packages at once, > and trying to deal with maybe dozens of build failures, sending emails > to all the package owners and waiting to see if they respond promptly > is not an efficient way

Re: Another GCC 6 & Rawhide build failure

2016-02-03 Thread Tom Callaway
On 02/03/2016 01:57 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: > Okay, self-contained test case is: > > struct GVector4 { > GVector4(int); > }; > struct GNamedSVGcolor { > char Name[22]; > GVector4 RGBA; > }; > > static const GNamedSVGcolor SVGColors[1] = { > { "aliceblue", GVector4(1) }, > }; > > The R

Re: Another GCC 6 & Rawhide build failure

2016-02-03 Thread Florian Weimer
On 02/03/2016 07:51 PM, Tom Callaway wrote: > On 02/03/2016 01:49 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: >> On 02/03/2016 07:37 PM, Tom Callaway wrote: >> >>> Ideas? >> >> Please tells us which package and which build. This needs more context >> for an investigation, I think. > > amanith: > https://kojipkgs.f

Re: Another GCC 6 & Rawhide build failure

2016-02-03 Thread Tom Callaway
On 02/03/2016 01:49 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 02/03/2016 07:37 PM, Tom Callaway wrote: > >> Ideas? > > Please tells us which package and which build. This needs more context > for an investigation, I think. amanith: https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/6502/12806502/build.log ~t

Re: Another GCC 6 & Rawhide build failure

2016-02-03 Thread Florian Weimer
On 02/03/2016 07:37 PM, Tom Callaway wrote: > Ideas? Please tells us which package and which build. This needs more context for an investigation, I think. Florian -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

releng pushed to bucardo (master). "- Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_24_Mass_Rebuild"

2016-02-03 Thread notifications
From b1efc082c60eae772d5f0edb3caf7b63ed916140 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Dennis Gilmore Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 17:15:59 + Subject: - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_24_Mass_Rebuild --- bucardo.spec | 5 - 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/b

Another GCC 6 & Rawhide build failure

2016-02-03 Thread Tom Callaway
First the C++ code: namespace Amanith { struct GNamedSVGcolor { GChar8 Name[22]; GVector4 RGBA; }; static const GNamedSVGcolor SVGColors[147] = { { "aliceblue", GVector4(0.941, 0.973, 1.000, 1.000) }, { "antiquewhite", GVector4(0.980, 0.922, 0.843, 1.000) },

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Orion Poplawski
On 02/03/2016 08:44 AM, Jerry James wrote: > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 11:30 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon > wrote: >> Well, one thing about this is that no-one owns packages anymore. We are a >> community and there are package maintainers in that community. >> Each package has one or more maintainers, but

Re: Firefox - call for testing (Gtk3 effort)

2016-02-03 Thread Martin Stransky
On 02/03/2016 05:08 PM, Jonathan Wakely wrote: On 03/02/16 11:58 +0100, Jakub Jelen wrote: Don't know it it will help, but I see Firefox almost always crash when I open new window and try to close it on F23. Sometimes earlier after opening the windows, sometimes later after closing. I've been

Re: Unannounced soname bump: libpsl

2016-02-03 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/03/2016 12:42 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 05:26:23 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 06:13:13PM -0600, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: This approach really scales badly and creates busywork. And breaking rawhide however often due to unnoticed soname bumps d

Re: Help with Rawhide build error with GCC 6.0

2016-02-03 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On 03/02/16 17:30 +, Jonathan Wakely wrote: On 03/02/16 10:59 -0600, Richard Shaw wrote: With the release of GCC 6.0 in Rawhide I'm having a build warning/error[1,2] with OpenImageIO I'm not sure what to do with (other than adding a flag to ignore it). tl;dr either add -Wno-error=placement

Re: Help with Rawhide build error with GCC 6.0

2016-02-03 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On 03/02/16 10:59 -0600, Richard Shaw wrote: With the release of GCC 6.0 in Rawhide I'm having a build warning/error[1,2] with OpenImageIO I'm not sure what to do with (other than adding a flag to ignore it). tl;dr either add -Wno-error=placement-new for now or try the workaround at the bottom

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Nathanael D. Noblet
On Wed, 2016-02-03 at 08:44 -0700, Jerry James wrote: > I know a number of companies have experimented with "ownership-free" > models of code development, but they are able to offer incentives > that > Fedora cannot offer, such as money and kudos offered in front of > coworkers.  What motivates vol

Re: Help with Rawhide build error with GCC 6.0

2016-02-03 Thread Richard Shaw
On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 02/03/2016 05:59 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: > > > In member function 'void > OpenImageIO::v1_6::pugi::xml_document::create()': > > > /builddir/build/BUILD/oiio-Release-1.6.9/src/include/OpenImageIO/pugixml.cpp:5143:58: > > error: placement

Re: Help with Rawhide build error with GCC 6.0

2016-02-03 Thread Florian Weimer
On 02/03/2016 05:59 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: > In member function 'void OpenImageIO::v1_6::pugi::xml_document::create()': > /builddir/build/BUILD/oiio-Release-1.6.9/src/include/OpenImageIO/pugixml.cpp:5143:58: > error: placement new constructing an object of type > 'OpenImageIO::v1_6::pugi::impl::x

Help with Rawhide build error with GCC 6.0

2016-02-03 Thread Richard Shaw
With the release of GCC 6.0 in Rawhide I'm having a build warning/error[1,2] with OpenImageIO I'm not sure what to do with (other than adding a flag to ignore it). Upstream is looking into it but currently thinks that the pugixml API is requiring a method that GCC 6.0 doesn't like: [ 3%] Buildi

Re: PATH contains at build time

2016-02-03 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 11:09:48AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 03:12:17PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > Using %{_sbindir} is just busywork. It is safe it too asume that is > > $PATH. > > I sadly agree. Ship sailed for fixing this about a decade ago. It'd

Re: nss_myhostname as default in Fedora

2016-02-03 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
Sorry to reply with such a delay. On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 07:43:35PM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > I also think that the whole gethostname(2) mechanism is terminally > screwed up. We abuse the hostname for multiple purposes: > > 1. It shows up in the default bash prompt. > > 2. It gets sent

Re: Upstream release monitoring issue

2016-02-03 Thread Richard Shaw
I would have just made the lib a subproject but the version is higher than that of the binary/overall version. Maybe the best thing to do is just to go ahead and bite the bullet and bump the Epoch and do it that way. Thanks, Richard -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org http://lists.

Re: Upstream release monitoring issue

2016-02-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 07:32:33 -0600, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Christian Stadelmann wrote: > > > Is there any reason why two packages provide tsqllib and tsqllib-devel? > > See https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/s?search=trustedqsl and the > > related .spec files

Re: PATH contains at build time

2016-02-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 03:12:17PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > Using %{_sbindir} is just busywork. It is safe it too asume that is > $PATH. I sadly agree. Ship sailed for fixing this about a decade ago. It'd be a nice usability enhancement to get programs which are not intended to

Re: Firefox - call for testing (Gtk3 effort)

2016-02-03 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On 03/02/16 11:58 +0100, Jakub Jelen wrote: Don't know it it will help, but I see Firefox almost always crash when I open new window and try to close it on F23. Sometimes earlier after opening the windows, sometimes later after closing. I've been seeing this recently when I close a tab that wa

Re: Unannounced soname bump: libpsl

2016-02-03 Thread Jerry James
On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 3:26 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > Right. Tooling should stop that too. And I'm not just talking > _completely_ in hand-wavy theory. This is Dennis Gilmore's plan, where > any package build which breaks other packages (or possibly other > integration testing) gets automaticall

Re: On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Jonathan Wakely
On 03/02/16 08:44 -0700, Jerry James wrote: 1. Demotivating packagers I know a number of companies have experimented with "ownership-free" models of code development, but they are able to offer incentives that Fedora cannot offer, such as money and kudos offered in front of coworkers. What mot

Fedora 24 Mass Rebuild

2016-02-03 Thread Dennis Gilmore
Hi all, Per the Fedora 24 schedule[1] we will be starting a mass rebuild for Fedora 24 very shortly. We are doing a mass rebuild for Fedora 24 for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GCC6 we will start the mass rebuild on 2016-02-03 This is a heads up that it will be done in a side tag and m

Re: F24 Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades

2016-02-03 Thread James Hogarth
On 3 February 2016 at 15:27, Brian C. Lane wrote: > On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 03:00:53PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote: > > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GraphicalSystemUpgrades > > This change is really light on details (or progre

On packager motivation

2016-02-03 Thread Jerry James
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 11:30 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > Well, one thing about this is that no-one owns packages anymore. We are a > community and there are package maintainers in that community. > Each package has one or more maintainers, but nobody owns it. The only reason > we > even have

Re: nss_myhostname as default in Fedora

2016-02-03 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
Hi, On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 11:57:37PM +0100, Jan Pokorný wrote: > attempt on settle this one down: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6761 rfc6761 is a useful reference, but it doesn't really solve this discussion one way or another. It's concerned with names to be "carved off a sub-tree of the DNS n

Re: F24 Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades

2016-02-03 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 03:00:53PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote: > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GraphicalSystemUpgrades This change is really light on details (or progress?). How is this going to be different (and why) from the dn

Re: PATH contains at build time

2016-02-03 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 09:44:21AM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 02/03/2016 09:35 AM, Petr Pisar wrote: > > On 2016-02-02, Florian Weimer wrote: > >> May packages assume that /usr/sbin is on PATH when they are built? > >> > >> If you nee

Re: PATH contains at build time

2016-02-03 Thread Ian Malone
On 3 February 2016 at 14:35, Petr Pisar wrote: > On 2016-02-02, Florian Weimer wrote: >> May packages assume that /usr/sbin is on PATH when they are built? >> >> If you need a program which is currently only in /usr/sbin, should a >> package use an absolute path, or reset PATH to include /usr/sbi

Re: PATH contains at build time

2016-02-03 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/03/2016 09:35 AM, Petr Pisar wrote: > On 2016-02-02, Florian Weimer wrote: >> May packages assume that /usr/sbin is on PATH when they are built? >> >> If you need a program which is currently only in /usr/sbin, should a >> package use an absol

Re: PATH contains at build time

2016-02-03 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2016-02-02, Florian Weimer wrote: > May packages assume that /usr/sbin is on PATH when they are built? > > If you need a program which is currently only in /usr/sbin, should a > package use an absolute path, or reset PATH to include /usr/sbin? > When I was small, I was tought that sbin is for p

Re: F24 Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades

2016-02-03 Thread Kalev Lember
On 02/03/2016 03:16 PM, Heiko Adams wrote: > Am Mittwoch, den 03.02.2016, 15:00 +0100 schrieb Jan Kurik: >> First supported version is going to >> be Fedora 23->24 upgrades. > Does this mean the changes will be backported to GNOME Software 3.18? No. The plan is to put GNOME Software 3.20 in F23, s

F24 System Wide Change: The GNU C Library version 2.23

2016-02-03 Thread Jan Kurik
= Proposed System Wide Change: The GNU C Library version 2.23 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GLIBC223 Change owner(s): * Carlos O'Donell Switch glibc in Fedora 24 to glibc version 2.23. == Detailed Description == The GNU C Library version 2.23 will be released at the end of February 2

Re: F24 Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades

2016-02-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 03:21:26PM +0100, Kalev Lember wrote: > >> We'll implement a graphical user interface for system upgrades. The > >> implementation will use PackageKit and the libhif stack as a backend > >> and GNOME Software as a frontend. First supported version is going to > >> be Fedora

Re: F24 Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades

2016-02-03 Thread Kalev Lember
On 02/03/2016 03:11 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 03:00:53PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote: >> We'll implement a graphical user interface for system upgrades. The >> implementation will use PackageKit and the libhif stack as a backend >> and GNOME Software as a frontend. First suppor

F24 System Wide Change: Removal of librtkaio from glibc

2016-02-03 Thread Jan Kurik
= Proposed System Wide Change: Removal of librtkaio from glibc = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GLIBC223_librtkaio_removal Change owner(s): * Carlos O'Donell Remove librtkaio support from glibc in Fedora 24. == Detailed Description == On July 2003 the rtkaio add-on was added to Fedora i

Re: F24 Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades

2016-02-03 Thread Heiko Adams
Am Mittwoch, den 03.02.2016, 15:00 +0100 schrieb Jan Kurik: > First supported version is going to > be Fedora 23->24 upgrades. Does this mean the changes will be backported to GNOME Software 3.18? -- Regards, Heiko Adams signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- dev

F24 System Wide Change: GNOME 3.20

2016-02-03 Thread Jan Kurik
= Proposed System Wide Change: GNOME 3.20 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GNOME3.20 Change owner(s): * Kalev Lember Update GNOME to the latest upstream release, 3.20 == Detailed Description == The new features for 3.20 include: * Graphical System Upgrades * Cantarell font improvements

Re: F24 Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades

2016-02-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Feb 03, 2016 at 03:00:53PM +0100, Jan Kurik wrote: > We'll implement a graphical user interface for system upgrades. The > implementation will use PackageKit and the libhif stack as a backend > and GNOME Software as a frontend. First supported version is going to > be Fedora 23->24 upgrades

F24 Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades

2016-02-03 Thread Jan Kurik
= Proposed Self Contained Change: Graphical System Upgrades = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/GraphicalSystemUpgrades Change owner(s): * Kalev Lember < klember AT redhat DOT com > Add support for performing system upgrades to a newer Fedora release through GNOME Software. == Detailed Desc

Re: Firefox - call for testing (Gtk3 effort)

2016-02-03 Thread Martin Stransky
On 02/03/2016 02:45 PM, Jakub Jelen wrote: On 02/03/2016 10:53 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: Also please remove Firefox from ABRT blacklist at: /etc/abrt/abrt-action-save-package-data.conf ma. On 02/03/2016 10:43 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: Folks, we see many Gtk3 crashes in Firefox recently (h

Re: Firefox - call for testing (Gtk3 effort)

2016-02-03 Thread Jakub Jelen
On 02/03/2016 10:53 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: Also please remove Firefox from ABRT blacklist at: /etc/abrt/abrt-action-save-package-data.conf ma. On 02/03/2016 10:43 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: Folks, we see many Gtk3 crashes in Firefox recently (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=

Re: Upstream release monitoring issue

2016-02-03 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 04:11:46PM -0600, Richard Shaw wrote: > >I was notified by a user that a newer version of trustedqsl was > available > >so I looked into why I wasn't notified. > >For some reason it still thinks 1.13 i

Re: Upstream release monitoring issue

2016-02-03 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Christian Stadelmann < genodeft...@fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Is there any reason why two packages provide tsqllib and tsqllib-devel? > See https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/s?search=trustedqsl and the > related .spec files in git repos? They used to be sup

Re: Upstream release monitoring issue

2016-02-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 07:34:06 +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 10:45:04PM -, Christian Stadelmann wrote: > > Is there any reason why two packages provide tsqllib and tsqllib-devel? See > > https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/s?search=trustedqsl and the related > >

Re: Unannounced soname bump: libpsl

2016-02-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 05:26:23 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 06:13:13PM -0600, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > > >This approach really scales badly and creates busywork. > > And breaking rawhide however often due to unnoticed soname bumps > > does scale well and does not cause bu

Re: Unannounced soname bump: libpsl

2016-02-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 13:01:04 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > > Even if the spec file uses wildcards to include any shared library > > version, the automatic dependency checks for Rawhide will notice the > > SONAME change and inform the packager about it. > > [...] > > This is too late, though. We

Re: Firefox - call for testing (Gtk3 effort)

2016-02-03 Thread Martin Stransky
I'd need the ABRT backtrace for that - don't see it on my F23 box. On 02/03/2016 11:58 AM, Jakub Jelen wrote: Don't know it it will help, but I see Firefox almost always crash when I open new window and try to close it on F23. Sometimes earlier after opening the windows, sometimes later after cl

Re: Firefox - call for testing (Gtk3 effort)

2016-02-03 Thread Jakub Jelen
Don't know it it will help, but I see Firefox almost always crash when I open new window and try to close it on F23. Sometimes earlier after opening the windows, sometimes later after closing. Jakub On 02/03/2016 10:43 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: Folks, we see many Gtk3 crashes in Firefox rec

Re: Unannounced soname bump: libpsl

2016-02-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 06:13:13PM -0600, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > >Ideally, every line in a package definition (specfile or what have you) > >is only there because of some exception from the typical case. For > >well-behaved > >upstreams, the perfect packaging description would be _empty_. > I d

Re: Unannounced soname bump: libpsl

2016-02-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Feb 02, 2016 at 06:13:13PM -0600, Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: > >This approach really scales badly and creates busywork. > And breaking rawhide however often due to unnoticed soname bumps > does scale well and does not cause busywork? Right. Tooling should stop that too. And I'm not just talki

Re: Firefox - call for testing (Gtk3 effort)

2016-02-03 Thread Martin Stransky
Also please remove Firefox from ABRT blacklist at: /etc/abrt/abrt-action-save-package-data.conf ma. On 02/03/2016 10:43 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: Folks, we see many Gtk3 crashes in Firefox recently (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1239962) which comes from Gtk3 system library.

Firefox - call for testing (Gtk3 effort)

2016-02-03 Thread Martin Stransky
Folks, we see many Gtk3 crashes in Firefox recently (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1239962) which comes from Gtk3 system library. If you's like to help here, please install latest FF updates from koji: F23: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2016-8344bd0b61 F22: ht