Re: Proposal: Drop comps

On Wed, 29 Jul, 2015 at 21:06:52 GMT, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > I've never used comps.xml and don't really know what it is good for, > except I know of the existence of some graphical tools which consume > it. Richard Hughes's appdata seems like a more complete concept for > people that want tha

Re: [HEADS UP] rpm-4.12.90 in rawhide

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 09:08:07 + (UTC) Petr Pisar wrote: > On 2015-07-24, Florian Festi wrote: > > The freshly released rpm-4.12.90 aka rpm-4.13.0-alpha is going to > > hit rawhide soon. The two major new features are: > > > Will you rebuild all librpm.so.3's reverse dependencies? I've already

Re: Help needed: F23 32-bit kernel issue

On July 29, 2015 7:36:07 AM PDT, Josh Boyer wrote: >Hello, > >There is a report of an issue with the boot.iso and DVD isos not >booting on 32-bit machines/VMs because of a kernel issue [1]. As far >as is known, the issue doesn't happen on 64-bit. It may happen on >32-bit ARM but that is not conf

Re: Fedora minimal installations

Am 29.07.2015 23:26 schrieb "Adam Jackson" : > > On Wed, 2015-07-29 at 21:48 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > > > Then I don't get the argument of the libs requiring device-mapper. > > /me is puzzled. > > The changelog message sort of implies the libs contain code that > doesn't work unless the rules h

Re: Fedora minimal installations

On Wed, 2015-07-29 at 21:48 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Then I don't get the argument of the libs requiring device-mapper. > /me is puzzled. The changelog message sort of implies the libs contain code that doesn't work unless the rules have run. So the rules have to be installed, but they call

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] FTBFS Packages in rawhide (2015-07-27)

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 03:23:23PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Matthew Miller > wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 01:00:26PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >> A bunch of packages depend on /usr/bin/execstack, provide by prelink. > >> If prelink goe

Re: Fedora minimal installations

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:14:05PM +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > >> > - emacs-filesystem - do we really need that? > > >> That's a package with three directories... Guidelines require this > > >> dependency. > > > It's pretty painless in itself, but then requires anyone to build emacs > > > i

Re: Help needed: F23 32-bit kernel issue

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:36:07AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >> Secondly, it would be excellent if someone could commit to spinning >> test ISOs when requested. Turn around time on bugs like this are >> quite lengthy given that they ofte

Re: Proposal: Drop comps

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:45:57AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > ocaml The comps.xml group for ocaml is pretty weird. It has some mandatory base packages, which are OK-ish (although there are some notable ones missing such as ocaml-camlp4-devel and ocaml-labltk-devel). Then it has a strange set of

F23 System Wide Change: DNF System Upgrades

= Proposed System Wide Change: DNF System Upgrades = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DNF_System_Upgrades Change owner(s): * Will Woods (fedup author) * Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (systemd developer) * Radek Holy (DNF developer) == Detailed Description == While fedup worked well in man

Re: Help needed: F23 32-bit kernel issue

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:36:07AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > Secondly, it would be excellent if someone could commit to spinning > test ISOs when requested. Turn around time on bugs like this are > quite lengthy given that they often require building a new kernel > package, and then spinning a cu

Re: Fedora minimal installations

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:56:30 -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > On Wed, 2015-07-29 at 18:24 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > Some -filesystem packages contain shared libs. Others are not > .noarch: > > Not being noarch isn't a sin, mesa-filesystem owns %{_libdir}/dri so it > really can't be archfu

Re: Fedora minimal installations

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 09:48:49PM +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > Am 29.07.2015 21:44 schrieb "Adam Jackson" : > > > > On Wed, 2015-07-29 at 21:17 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > > > > > > Well, then why not ship the udev rules with device-mapper instead of > > > the libs? > > > > I don't understand the

Re: Fedora minimal installations

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 20:05:52 +0100, Jonathan Underwood wrote: > >> > - emacs-filesystem - do we really need that? > >> That's a package with three directories... Guidelines require this > >> dependency. > > > > It's pretty painless in itself, but then requires anyone to build emacs > > itself as

Re: Emacs packaging guidelines (was: Re: Fedora minimal installations)

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 20:12:56 +0100, Jonathan Underwood wrote: > >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Emacs for more detail." > >> > And once again the wording is weak. It says "should". Three times even. > >> What's wrong with the word "should"? What am I missing? Seems like the > >> usu

Re: Fedora minimal installations

Am 29.07.2015 21:44 schrieb "Adam Jackson" : > > On Wed, 2015-07-29 at 21:17 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > > > > Well, then why not ship the udev rules with device-mapper instead of > > the libs? > > I don't understand the question. They _are_ shipped in device-mapper. > Then I don't get the argume

Re: Fedora minimal installations

On Wed, 2015-07-29 at 21:17 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > > Well, then why not ship the udev rules with device-mapper instead of > the libs? I don't understand the question. They _are_ shipped in device-mapper. - ajax -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproj

Re: Fedora minimal installations

Am 29.07.2015 20:33 schrieb "Adam Jackson" : > > On Wed, 2015-07-29 at 15:42 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > > > - krb5-libs requires gawk - why do libs require utils other than > > ldconfig? > > This looks like it was originally a Requires(triggerun) for the > configure_default_ccache_name case. Sinc

Re: Emacs packaging guidelines (was: Re: Fedora minimal installations)

On 29 July 2015 at 20:08, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 08:03:00PM +0100, Jonathan Underwood wrote: >> >> "The Emacs add-on packaging guidelines no longer stipulate that packages >> >> which >> >> also bundle support for Emacs should split out those Emacs files into >> >> separ

Re: Emacs packaging guidelines (was: Re: Fedora minimal installations)

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 08:03:00PM +0100, Jonathan Underwood wrote: > >> "The Emacs add-on packaging guidelines no longer stipulate that packages > >> which > >> also bundle support for Emacs should split out those Emacs files into > >> separate > >> sub-packages. This package should instead ship

Re: Fedora minimal installations

On 29 July 2015 at 17:24, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 02:09:02PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >> > A couple of strange deps: >> > - libsemanage requires python >> > (filed as ) >> > - emacs-filesystem - do we r

Re: Emacs packaging guidelines (was: Re: Fedora minimal installations)

On 29 July 2015 at 18:42, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 18:53:27 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > >> "The Emacs add-on packaging guidelines no longer stipulate that packages >> which >> also bundle support for Emacs should split out those Emacs files into >> separate >> sub-packages.

Re: Fedora minimal installations

On Wed, 2015-07-29 at 14:40 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 02:33:22PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > > From staring at the reduced graph a bit, openldap -> nss-tools, which > > is the only thing pulling in the NSS stack. This looks pretty bogus to > > me, openldap is just the

Re: Fedora minimal installations

On 29 July 2015 at 17:29, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:24:17 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 02:09:02PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >> > > A couple of strange deps: >> > > - libsemanage requires python >> > > (filed as

Re: Fedora minimal installations

On Wed, 2015-07-29 at 14:40 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 02:33:22PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > > From staring at the reduced graph a bit, openldap -> nss-tools, > > which > > is the only thing pulling in the NSS stack. This looks pretty > > bogus to > > me, openldap i

Re: Fedora minimal installations

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 02:33:22PM -0400, Adam Jackson wrote: > From staring at the reduced graph a bit, openldap -> nss-tools, which > is the only thing pulling in the NSS stack. This looks pretty bogus to > me, openldap is just the core library package and none of them seem to > have any exec ca

Re: Fedora minimal installations

On Wed, 2015-07-29 at 15:42 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > - krb5-libs requires gawk - why do libs require utils other than > ldconfig? This looks like it was originally a Requires(triggerun) for the configure_default_ccache_name case. Since that's handling upgrading from <= 1.11.3-16, we can prob

Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2015-07-30 16:00 UTC)

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC meeting Thursday at 2015-07-30 16:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. Local time information (via. rktime): 2015-07-30 09:00 Thu US/Pacific PDT 2015-07-30 12:00 Thu US/Eastern EDT 2015-07-30 1

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2015-07-29)

Sorry, I'll be unable to join as my ISP decided to mess up with their equipment. H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Fedora minimal installations

On Wed, 2015-07-29 at 18:24 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > Some -filesystem packages contain shared libs. Others are not > .noarch: Not being noarch isn't a sin, mesa-filesystem owns %{_libdir}/dri so it really can't be archful. Also, boost-filesystem and lua-filesystem appear to just be confu

Re: Fedora minimal installations

On 29.07.2015 16:09, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 03:42:28PM +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: >> In order to define the Base WG core package group and minimize minimal >> installations for e.g. cloud images and the atomic spin, I created some >> dependency lists: >> >> The

Emacs packaging guidelines (was: Re: Fedora minimal installations)

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 18:53:27 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > "The Emacs add-on packaging guidelines no longer stipulate that packages which > also bundle support for Emacs should split out those Emacs files into separate > sub-packages. This package should instead ship those files with the main > pac

Re: Help needed: F23 32-bit kernel issue

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: >> First, it would be good to isolate it to the first kernel that doesn't >> work. That narrows down the range of commits to look at for the bug. > > So we are looking for boot probl

Re: Help needed: F23 32-bit kernel issue

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > First, it would be good to isolate it to the first kernel that doesn't > work. That narrows down the range of commits to look at for the bug. So we are looking for boot problems somewhere between 4.1 and 4.2? Can this be tested on f22 machines

Re: Fedora minimal installations

On 29.07.2015 18:29, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:24:17 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 02:09:02PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: A couple of strange deps: - libsemanage requires python (filed as

Re: Fedora minimal installations

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:24:17 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 02:09:02PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > A couple of strange deps: > > > - libsemanage requires python > > > (filed as ) > > > - emacs-filesy

Re: Fedora minimal installations

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 02:09:02PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > A couple of strange deps: > > - libsemanage requires python > > (filed as ) > > - emacs-filesystem - do we really need that? > That's a package with three director

Re: Fedora minimal installations

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:09:02 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > A couple of strange deps: > > - emacs-filesystem - do we really need that? > That's a package with three directories... Guidelines require this dependency. That's https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Emacs#Case_II_3

Re: and legacy software Re: pyorbit

On 2015-07-29, 14:31 GMT, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > FWIW I found the port of Gtk3 pretty straightforward for > my Entangle application and find it quite alot nicer to work > with than Gtk2 in general, so has been a big plus overall. OK, I stand corrected. I am sorry, if I sound too bitter, but

Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2015-07-29)

- Original Message - > Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo > meeting tomorrow at 18:00UTC (1:00pm EST) in #fedora-meeting on > irc.freenode.net. > > Links to all tickets below can be found at: > https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9 > > = Followups = > >

Re: and legacy software Re: pyorbit

On Qua, 2015-07-29 at 10:05 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Wed, 2015-07-29 at 12:47 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 21:27:45 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: > > > > > As I have thought for some time, I think we should have a team to > > > keep > > > packages and make migrat

Re: shared-mime-info and desktops

Rex Dieter wrote: > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> Greetings. >> >> For a while now it's been possible for desktops to have their own mime >> info (which is great), but it seems we have also gotten rid of the >> generic one, which causes some strange behavior: >> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bu

Help needed: F23 32-bit kernel issue

Hello, There is a report of an issue with the boot.iso and DVD isos not booting on 32-bit machines/VMs because of a kernel issue [1]. As far as is known, the issue doesn't happen on 64-bit. It may happen on 32-bit ARM but that is not confirmed as the ARM issue manifests differently. The bug nee

Fedora 23 Alpha Freeze

Hi all, Today's an important day on the Fedora 23 schedule[1], with several significant cut-offs. First of all today is the Bodhi activation point [2]. That means that from now all Fedora 23 packages must be submitted to updates-testing and pass the relevant requirements[3] before they will be mar

Re: and legacy software Re: pyorbit

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 02:07:50PM +0200, Matěj Cepl wrote: > On 2015-07-29, 10:47 GMT, Michael Schwendt wrote: > >> As I have thought for some time, I think we should have a team to keep > >> packages and make migrations like gtk2 to gkt3, libgnome2, pyorbit, > >> gnome-python2, pyhton2 to python

Re: Fedora minimal installations

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 03:42:28PM +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > In order to define the Base WG core package group and minimize minimal > installations for e.g. cloud images and the atomic spin, I created some > dependency lists: > > There are so many definitions of minimum sets: > > systemd: cont

Re: and legacy software Re: pyorbit

On Wed, 2015-07-29 at 12:47 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 21:27:45 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: > > > As I have thought for some time, I think we should have a team to > > keep > > packages and make migrations like gtk2 to gkt3, libgnome2, pyorbit, > > gnome-python2, pyhton2

Fedora minimal installations

In order to define the Base WG core package group and minimize minimal installations for e.g. cloud images and the atomic spin, I created some dependency lists: There are so many definitions of minimum sets: systemd: container boot systemd + bash + login: container boot with login systemd + kerne

Re: F23: Copr build failure: glibc

On Wed, 2015-07-29 at 15:15 +0200, Rajeesh K V wrote: > Hello, > > Copr fails to build for F23 (i686, x86_64) due to error: > > Error: Package glibc-2.21.90-21.fc23.x86_64.rpm is not signed > > For instance see the build log > https://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/rajeeshknambiar/kf5-k

F23: Copr build failure: glibc

Hello, Copr fails to build for F23 (i686, x86_64) due to error: Error: Package glibc-2.21.90-21.fc23.x86_64.rpm is not signed For instance see the build log https://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/rajeeshknambiar/kf5-kde-apps/fedora-23-x86_64/plasma-volume-control-5.3.90-1.fc22/root.log

rawhide report: 20150729 changes

Compose started at Wed Jul 29 05:15:03 UTC 2015 Broken deps for i386 -- [abrt-java-connector] abrt-java-connector-1.1.0-4.fc23.i686 requires librpmio.so.3 abrt-java-connector-1.1.0-4.fc23.i686 requires librpm.so.3 [apache-scout

F-23 Branched report: 20150729 changes

Compose started at Wed Jul 29 07:15:03 UTC 2015 Broken deps for armhfp -- [apache-scout] apache-scout-1.2.6-11.fc21.noarch requires mvn(org.apache.juddi:uddi-ws) apache-scout-1.2.6-11.fc21.noarch requires mvn(org.apache.juddi:

Re: and legacy software Re: pyorbit

On 2015-07-29, 10:47 GMT, Michael Schwendt wrote: >> As I have thought for some time, I think we should have a team to keep >> packages and make migrations like gtk2 to gkt3, libgnome2, pyorbit, >> gnome-python2, pyhton2 to python3 , qt3 etc etc > > Wishful thinking. Porting from gtk2 to gtk3 is n

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] FTBFS Packages in rawhide (2015-07-27)

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:41:12AM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > On 07/27/2015 10:31 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >That would work too, although more packages would have to be updated. > >But they probably should be updated to Require /usr/bin/execstack > >anyway, so that's fine.

Orphaning all my packages :(

Hello all, As I've not really had time to work on Fedora for some time, I'm orphaning all of my packages. This includes: - eclipse-color-theme - glazedlists - jabref - jpf - jpfcodegen - ritopt - spin All but the eclipse package are Java libraries that are dependencies of jabref. For the moment

Re: [HEADS UP] rpm-4.12.90 in rawhide

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:08:52AM +0200, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: > I think that C-style operators (&, &&) are better than verbose > COBOL-style ones because they are consistent with relation operators (>, > >= and so on) already used by rpm. Secondly, they don't introduce > conflict with existing

Re: and legacy software Re: pyorbit

On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 21:27:45 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: > As I have thought for some time, I think we should have a team to keep > packages and make migrations like gtk2 to gkt3, libgnome2, pyorbit, > gnome-python2, pyhton2 to python3 , qt3 etc etc Wishful thinking. Porting from gtk2 to gtk3 is

Re: [HEADS UP] rpm-4.12.90 in rawhide

On 07/29/2015 11:08 AM, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: > From C-style operators I would prefer single-character ones for two reasons: > > 1) Two-character operators may suggest short-circuit evaluation - > "Requires: foo || bar" can be misunderstood as "require foo, or bar if > and only if foo is not ava

Re: [HEADS UP] rpm-4.12.90 in rawhide

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: > From C-style operators I would prefer single-character ones for two reasons: > > 1) Two-character operators may suggest short-circuit evaluation - > "Requires: foo || bar" can be misunderstood as "require foo, or bar if > and only if foo i

Re: [HEADS UP] rpm-4.12.90 in rawhide

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: > On 07/28/2015 11:37 AM, Florian Festi wrote: >> >> Also we still need to settle to a final syntax for the operators [1]. >> Unfortunately there is no consensus among the other packaging formats >> what to use. Right now rpm accepts 3 diff

Re: [HEADS UP] rpm-4.12.90 in rawhide

On 07/28/2015 11:37 AM, Florian Festi wrote: > On 07/28/2015 09:43 AM, Lubos Kardos wrote: >> Support in rpm is not enough but libsolv supports rich deps since the version >> 0.6.9 too thus rich deps work also in hawkey and dnf if the version 0.6.9 or >> a newer version of libsolv is installed. >

Re: [HEADS UP] rpm-4.12.90 in rawhide

On 2015-07-24, Florian Festi wrote: > The freshly released rpm-4.12.90 aka rpm-4.13.0-alpha is going to hit > rawhide soon. The two major new features are: > Will you rebuild all librpm.so.3's reverse dependencies? I've already rebuild Perl packages, but there some remaining: # dnf -q --enablerep

Re: [HEADS UP] rpm-4.12.90 in rawhide

On 2015-07-28, Michael Schroeder wrote: > And there's IF and THEN/ELSE. IF is a postfix op, like in perl > and ruby: > > Requires: a IF b > > THEN/ELSE is the infix one: > > Requires: b THEN a > Requires: b ? a > Requires: b THEN a ELSE c > Requires: b ? a : c > When I read the documentation I won

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] FTBFS Packages in rawhide (2015-07-27)

Orion Poplawski schrieb am Di., 28. Juli 2015 um 01:31 Uhr: > On 07/27/2015 12:15 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > > On 07/27/2015 01:51 AM, Thomas Spura wrote: > >> mailto:opensou...@till.name>> schrieb am Mo., > 27. Juli > >> 2015 um 09:19 Uhr: > >> > >> The following packages did not build for

Re: [HEADS UP] rpm-4.12.90 in rawhide

Dne 28.7.2015 v 18:15 Matthias Clasen napsal(a): > On Tue, 2015-07-28 at 14:49 +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > >> Just out of curiosity, do you have already any candidates for File >> Triggers? I suppose "/sbin/ldconfig" is one of them. Do you plan to >> have some F24 feature to get rid of these? > H

Re: and legacy software Re: pyorbit

Dne 28.7.2015 v 22:27 Sérgio Basto napsal(a): > On Ter, 2015-07-28 at 16:48 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: >>> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/pyorbit.git/plain/dead.package >>> last user has been retired, package EOL >>> Error: nothing provides pyorbit(x86-64) >= 2.0.1 needed by >>> gnome