> On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:56:20 +0100
> Matthew Garrett wrote:
>
> System76 (and possibly others) will be supplying systems
> that provide (2), so that choice is available to you.
Matthew, I often read you referring to System76, since the UEFI
discussion. System76 products are limited to the US m
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 18:36 -0600, Dariusz J. Garbowski wrote:
> On 19/06/12 04:01 PM, Jan Kratochvil wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:37:43 +0200, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> >> Yes allowing any user to list/read any content in your home dir would be a
> >> bad
> >> default.
>
> And yet my latest F
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 23:28 -0400, Ben Rosser wrote:
>
> So far, the only actual arguments against this (specifically, the
> above solution to the problem) I've heard is that it breaks being able
> to configure /boot/grub2/grub.cfg by hand. But that's the idea behind
> grub2, for better or worse.
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 04:05 +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote:
> On Ter, 2012-06-19 at 18:11 -0700, quickbooks office wrote:
> > Can someone re-open Bug 799556:
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=799556
> >
> > I posted there on June 11th, saying it is not fixed. No one has
> > re-opened the
On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 04:53 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 06/02/2012 03:44 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 15:57 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
> >>> it's a bad design to ask the end user about this kind of thing
> >>> during installation.
> >>
> >> IIRC, I suggested a checkbox i
My last in this thread should not have been sent by me to the Fedora devel list.
It was in answer to a private off list message.
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On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Garrett Holmstrom wrote:
> Like I mentioned two days ago, the only thing that matters for EC2
> images is that the kernel post-install scripts continue to be capable
> of updating grub configuration files, which means that wholesale
> replacement of grubby with gr
On Ter, 2012-06-19 at 18:11 -0700, quickbooks office wrote:
> Can someone re-open Bug 799556:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=799556
>
> I posted there on June 11th, saying it is not fixed. No one has
> re-opened the bug.
>
> Automatic Bug Reported keeps re-directing me to that bug
On 06/02/2012 03:44 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Fri, 2012-06-01 at 15:57 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
it's a bad design to ask the end user about this kind of thing
during installation.
IIRC, I suggested a checkbox in the disk partitioning page, where
we're already asking the user all sorts of q
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On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 13:19:13 GMT, Michal Hlavinka wrote:
> I wonder if it would be possible to do it on shutdown instead of during
> start up? I usually do not care if shutdown takes ten seconds or five
> minutes, but when I start my computer I
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 17:49 -0400, Jay Sulzberger wrote:
Henrik, I will respond to your claims, if you will answer me one
question first:
As you know, for over a decade Microsoft included in every EULA
for its home computer OSes, a "Refund C
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:49:15 -0400 (EDT), you wrote:
As you know, for over a decade Microsoft included in every EULA
for its home computer OSes, a "Refund Clause". The clause
stated that if the buyer of the computer never booted the
already
Seth Johnson wrote:
The positive/negative right formulation is a post-New Deal notion,
rooted in the question of whether it has been textually granted --
very different from the notion that we hold rights prior to
government.
Nevertheless, even prior to that formulation rights like freedom of t
Can someone re-open Bug 799556:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=799556
I posted there on June 11th, saying it is not fixed. No one has re-opened
the bug.
Automatic Bug Reported keeps re-directing me to that bug, and is not filing
a new bug, because it is considering that as a dupe.
B
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
> El Tue, 19 Jun 2012 20:11:20 +0100
> Matthew Garrett escribió:
>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 08:54:59PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>> > pvgrub peeks into the guest disk so it needs to understand the
>> > partition table, the filesyst
On 19/06/12 04:01 PM, Jan Kratochvil wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:37:43 +0200, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
Yes allowing any user to list/read any content in your home dir would be a bad
default.
And yet my latest F17 installation ended up with 755 for my home dir, even though umask in
/etc/login.d
Minor clarifying insert:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Seth Johnson wrote:
> The positive/negative right formulation is a post-New Deal notion,
> rooted in the question of whether it has been textually granted --
> very different from the notion that we hold rights prior to
> government. It m
The positive/negative right formulation is a post-New Deal notion,
rooted in the question of whether it has been textually granted --
very different from the notion that we hold rights prior to
government. It may be that we can describe all rights regardless of
whether they are the result of legis
am about to build this anybody working on it?
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Moral rights are from the Civil Code/French tradition. We don't do
moral rights, although certain interests keep trying. Moral rights in
the copyright context (I am unaware that they exist outside copyright)
are a right of attribution and a right of integrity. We don't have
these in the US tradi
On 06/19/2012 03:59 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote:
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:47 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
Again anything that gets handed out at various events should be considered
release blockers since the quality of that product reflects back at us as a
community thus if an relevant SIG can
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 14:59 -0800, Jef Spaleta wrote:
> We get a spin out the door we get on the spins page for a release or
> twowe are rocking the world. And then for some reason on the next
> release we all fall behind and we don't keep up with the necessary
> integration changes. And CDE
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 22:55 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> I always look at the [1] and the top spins for (potential) contributing
> base and always when I look there people seem to be downloading LXDE
> more than XFCE heck I even mention that to Christoph one time and he was
> not sur
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 2:47 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
> Again anything that gets handed out at various events should be considered
> release blockers since the quality of that product reflects back at us as a
> community thus if an relevant SIG cannot cover it's own release testing
> apa
On 06/19/2012 10:45 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 22:33 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 06/19/2012 10:19 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Basically the plan was to reach out for example to the
Gnome/KDE/XFCE/LXDE/Sugar community's to ask for assistant to cover
their relev
On 06/19/2012 10:36 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 15:31 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
On 06/19/2012 03:19 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
If an manpower to cover anything else then critical path became a
concern we should fetch that manpower from the relevant SIG's community.
Basi
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 22:33 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 06/19/2012 10:19 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >> Basically the plan was to reach out for example to the
> >> >Gnome/KDE/XFCE/LXDE/Sugar community's to ask for assistant to cover
> >> >their relevant part of required testing if t
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 15:31 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On 06/19/2012 03:19 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >> If an manpower to cover anything else then critical path became a
> >> >concern we should fetch that manpower from the relevant SIG's community.
> >> >
> >> >Basically the plan was to reach
On 06/19/2012 10:19 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Basically the plan was to reach out for example to the
>Gnome/KDE/XFCE/LXDE/Sugar community's to ask for assistant to cover
>their relevant part of required testing if that was the case.
>
>If you think about it who are better qualified and more will
On 06/19/2012 03:19 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
If an manpower to cover anything else then critical path became a
>concern we should fetch that manpower from the relevant SIG's community.
>
>Basically the plan was to reach out for example to the
>Gnome/KDE/XFCE/LXDE/Sugar community's to ask for as
On 19/06/12 10:51 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 15:33 +0200, Ales Kozumplik wrote:
On 06/19/2012 02:44 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a question about DNF https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DNF
>
> Are there any plans to replace yum with dnf in the futur
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 22:14 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 06/19/2012 09:03 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > I'll add to that to note that we now have Xfce, LXDE and Sugar all on
> > the DVD.
>
> Which should have been added to the release blocker process when it got
> added there.
>
> Fr
On 06/19/2012 09:03 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
I'll add to that to note that we now have Xfce, LXDE and Sugar all on
the DVD.
Which should have been added to the release blocker process when it got
added there.
From my point of view any handed out media at various events etc and
what's on it sh
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:37:43 +0200, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> Yes allowing any user to list/read any content in your home dir would be a bad
> default.
Why? It would be different default, it would be the default that always has
been that way on UNIces. It is useful to learn how other users have
co
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On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 17:49 -0400, Jay Sulzberger wrote:
> Henrik, I will respond to your claims, if you will answer me one
> question first:
>
> As you know, for over a decade Microsoft included in every EULA
> for its home computer OSes, a "Refund Clause". The clause
> stated that if the
Oi, please forgive me Gerald Henriksen!
I called you "Henrik", and this is not your name.
Oi.
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On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 14:10 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote:
> Having a desktop be a blocking desktop also somewhat assumes you'll be
> getting QA volunteer time to run through your test cases, whereas when
> it's not blocking there isn't that assumption. The SIG can still create
> and validate the
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Gerald Henriksen wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:15:34 -0700, you wrote:
>On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 12:03 -0400, Jay Sulzberger wrote:
>
>> Adam, just a short bald claim:
>>
>> In the United States and Europe there is a large body of statute
>> law, regulatory rulings, and
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
pvgrub peeks into the guest disk so it needs to understand the partition
table, the filesystem and the grub config file in the guest. Initially it
didn't handle things like ext4, grub2 and EFI but AFAIK these should be
fine now. I'm not sure what
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On 06/19/2012 01:02 PM, Tomas Mraz wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 09:01 -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
>> It's been true for a long time that fedora sets up home dir as 775. But
>> ssh, with default settings, won't allow public keys to work when home dir
>>
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 08:36:31AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Thorsten Leemhuis
> wrote:
> > Josh Boyer wrote on 19.06.2012 13:42:
> >> Because you can't click on the link and read about the feature where
> >> it describes this in detail?
> >
> > You can, but imm
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 19:16 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 06/19/2012 07:00 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > "The term 'release-blocking desktops' should be understood to mean all
> > the desktop environments in which bugs are currently considered capable
> > of blocking a Fedora release.
On 06/19/2012 02:03 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:00:46 -0700
Jesse Keating wrote:
On 06/19/2012 12:16 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
In any case Kevin K. probably can comment on what landed the KDE
distribution on the Relengs DVD and on the release blocker in the
first p
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:00:46 -0700
Jesse Keating wrote:
> On 06/19/2012 12:16 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> >
> > In any case Kevin K. probably can comment on what landed the KDE
> > distribution on the Relengs DVD and on the release blocker in the
> > first place.
>
>
> Gnome and KDE we
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:15:34 -0700, you wrote:
>On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 12:03 -0400, Jay Sulzberger wrote:
>
>> Adam, just a short bald claim:
>>
>> In the United States and Europe there is a large body of statute
>> law, regulatory rulings, and court decisions which say that yes,
>> a large powerf
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Matthew Garrett escribió:
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 08:54:59PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>
> > pvgrub peeks into the guest disk so it needs to understand the
> > partition table, the filesystem and the gru
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Adam Miller wrote:
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 10:51 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 15:33 +0200, Ales Kozumplik wrote:
On 06/19/2012 02:44 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
Hi,
I have a question about DNF https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DNF
Are ther
On 06/19/2012 07:00 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
"The term 'release-blocking desktops' should be understood to mean all
the desktop environments in which bugs are currently considered capable
of blocking a Fedora release. The current set of release-blocking
desktops is GNOME and KDE."
The reason
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On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 08:54:59PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> pvgrub peeks into the guest disk so it needs to understand the partition
> table, the filesystem and the grub config file in the guest. Initially it
> didn't handle things like ext4, grub2 and EFI but AFAIK these should be
>
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 10:51 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 15:33 +0200, Ales Kozumplik wrote:
> > On 06/19/2012 02:44 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I have a question about DNF https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DNF
> > >
> > > Are there any plans to
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 18:41 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 06/19/2012 06:32 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > The criterion says "The network installation image, DVD image, and live
> > images for release-blocking desktops must meet current size requirements
>
> Yup and as usual what is a
On 06/19/2012 08:36 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 02:12:06PM -0400, Jared K. Smith wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>>> F18 is already using grub2 for EFI. I think we can remove grub-legacy
>>> now.
>>
>> What about the Fedora images for Amaz
On 06/19/2012 06:32 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
The criterion says "The network installation image, DVD image, and live
images for release-blocking desktops must meet current size requirements
Yup and as usual what is actually considered release blocking desktops
question needs to be answered w
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 13:32 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> > On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 17:26 +, Andre Robatino wrote:
>> >> Lennart Poettering 0pointer.de> writes:
>> >>
>> >> > For
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 13:32 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 17:26 +, Andre Robatino wrote:
> >> Lennart Poettering 0pointer.de> writes:
> >>
> >> > For those too lazy to calculate the difference between 1 GB and 1 Gi
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 02:12:06PM -0400, Jared K. Smith wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > F18 is already using grub2 for EFI. I think we can remove grub-legacy
> > now.
>
> What about the Fedora images for Amazon EC2? I seem to recall that
> because of pvgrub u
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 17:26 +, Andre Robatino wrote:
>> Lennart Poettering 0pointer.de> writes:
>>
>> > For those too lazy to calculate the difference between 1 GB and 1 GiB: 1
>> > GB equals 953 MiB. We hence should probably stick to
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 17:33 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 06/19/2012 05:15 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > The target size is one of the release-blocking criteria you're supposed to
> > validate.
>
> Yeah but that's just for the "Default" spin not spins in general which
> is the Gnome De
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 17:26 +, Andre Robatino wrote:
> Lennart Poettering 0pointer.de> writes:
>
> > For those too lazy to calculate the difference between 1 GB and 1 GiB: 1
> > GB equals 953 MiB. We hence should probably stick to to 950 MiB as new
> > target image size.
>
> To avoid confusi
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 12:19 -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> As reaction to approved MiniDebugInfo feature, we agreed on KDE SIG
> meeting that we would have to break CD size limit (and the breaking
> of CD size image was used as argument to accept this feature).
>
> We agreed that 800 MiB is achie
On 19 June 2012 11:51, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 15:33 +0200, Ales Kozumplik wrote:
>> On 06/19/2012 02:44 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I have a question about DNF https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DNF
>> >
>> > Are there any plans to replace yum with
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 12:10 -0400, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Eric Smith wrote:
> > If the things that make it difficult to run software of your choosing on a
> > device can be proven to serve no purpose but to stifle competition, then
> > yes. But often those thin
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 12:03 -0400, Jay Sulzberger wrote:
> Adam, just a short bald claim:
>
> In the United States and Europe there is a large body of statute
> law, regulatory rulings, and court decisions which say that yes,
> a large powerful company cannot take certain actions to impede
> comp
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> F18 is already using grub2 for EFI. I think we can remove grub-legacy
> now.
What about the Fedora images for Amazon EC2? I seem to recall that
because of pvgrub use they can't use grub2 yet. (I don't claim to be
an expert on the cloud im
On 06/19/2012 05:49 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
You seem to be advocating for option C) throw up your hands and yell
"THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE", and then what?
[1] =)
JBG
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On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 10:44:00AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> On Jun 19, 2012, at 5:32 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> > but it is NIT better
> > it is a config full of crap and script-code
>
> You're about 6 years too late. All upstream EFI support is going into GRUB 2.
> Red Hat has kept GRU
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Jesse Keating
wrote:
> On 06/19/2012 04:32 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 19.06.2012 09:53, schrieb drago01:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Matej Cepl wrote:
On 18/06/12 09:30, drago01 wrote:
>
>
> This would just result
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 15:33 +0200, Ales Kozumplik wrote:
> On 06/19/2012 02:44 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a question about DNF https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DNF
> >
> > Are there any plans to replace yum with dnf in the future?
> >
> > According to what is written
On 06/19/2012 04:32 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 19.06.2012 09:53, schrieb drago01:
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Matej Cepl wrote:
On 18/06/12 09:30, drago01 wrote:
This would just result into stagnation while the competition invents
much better wheels and leave us behind.
Abstracti
On 06/19/2012 05:15 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
The target size is one of the release-blocking criteria you're supposed to
validate.
Yeah but that's just for the "Default" spin not spins in general which
is the Gnome Desktop environment.
If we did not have the so called "Default" we would be val
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Lennart Poettering 0pointer.de> writes:
> For those too lazy to calculate the difference between 1 GB and 1 GiB: 1
> GB equals 953 MiB. We hence should probably stick to to 950 MiB as new
> target image size.
To avoid confusion over units or rounding/truncation (1 GB isn't *exactly* 953
MiB, for
Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> It would be nice if the minidebuginfo data was stored similar to
> debuginfo data. That way spins could easily rm -rf the minidebuginfo
> folder to keep images smaller.
The only similarity being the separated symbol data from the binary. I
do not mean sub-packages.
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Kevin Kofler wrote:
> How would you suggest we implement this? rm -rf the stuff in %post?
> (Yuck!!!) As I understand it, the symbols will be bloating the main packages
> and not be in subpackages. (Debuginfo subpackages are what we have now.)
It would be nice if the minidebuginfo data was store
On 06/19/2012 05:02 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
950 MiB as new target image size.
Arguably we should not have any specific target image size but rather a
list of valid image sizes ( cd/dvd/usb keys ) for spins to aim at which
SIG's themselves choose to use each release cycle and can adjust
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Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> First and foremost each SIG sets and choose what is on the spin they
> ship so if you dont want to ship the bloat that gets added with the
> "MiniDebugInfo" then simply don't atleast afaik now there is nothing
> forcing spins to ship something that they don't want to.
On 06/19/2012 04:19 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
So we'd like to hear from rel-engs, QA etc. what's theirs position
here.
First and foremost each SIG sets and choose what is on the spin they
ship so if you dont want to ship the bloat that gets added with the
"MiniDebugInfo" then simply don't at
On Tue, 19.06.12 16:42, Andre Robatino (robat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
> Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>
> > Other possibility is to go directly to 1 GiB but we are not sure
> > there's advantage (at least not now).
>
> You would probably want to make the target 1 GB (SI units), not 1 GiB. The
> ca
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 09:01 -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
> It's been true for a long time that fedora sets up home dir as 775.
> But ssh, with default settings, won't allow public keys to work when
> home dir has mode 775.
Creating the home dirs with 775 mode is actually a bug or
misconfiguration on
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Jun 19, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Jay Sulzberger wrote:
> In the United States and Europe there is a large body of statute
> law, regulatory rulings, and court decisions which say that yes,
> a large powerful company cannot take certain actions to imped
On Jun 19, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
>
> And, as if on cue, Microsoft just announced their own ARM tablet. Do you feel
> that they should leave it open to installing alternative OS?
Apple does not. Although I don't think they're using UEFI on their hardware,
the described boot
On Jun 19, 2012, at 5:32 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> but it is NIT better
> it is a config full of crap and script-code
You're about 6 years too late. All upstream EFI support is going into GRUB 2.
Red Hat has kept GRUB legacy on life support, and that plug is going to be
pulled sooner than lat
Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> Other possibility is to go directly to 1 GiB but we are not sure
> there's advantage (at least not now).
You would probably want to make the target 1 GB (SI units), not 1 GiB. The
capacity of thumb drives is measured in SI units, so a "1 GB" thumb drive really
is 1000^3 b
On Jun 19, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Jay Sulzberger wrote:
> In the United States and Europe there is a large body of statute
> law, regulatory rulings, and court decisions which say that yes,
> a large powerful company cannot take certain actions to impede
> competitors.
Cite the law and case law that
As reaction to approved MiniDebugInfo feature, we agreed on KDE SIG
meeting that we would have to break CD size limit (and the breaking
of CD size image was used as argument to accept this feature).
We agreed that 800 MiB is achievable target:
- all spins will still fit Multi Desktop Live DVD
- th
On 06/19/2012 04:50 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
> I wrote:
>
>> I would claim that the moral right to run whatever software we wish on
>> hardware we own is a negative right; it doesn't put any obligation on
>> another party to help you do it. If you can hack up Fedora to run on a
>> Nokia Windows phon
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Eric Smith wrote:
> If the things that make it difficult to run software of your choosing on a
> device can be proven to serve no purpose but to stifle competition, then
> yes. But often those things have other purposes as well. For example,
> requiring firmware
Hi,
I'm trying to find out what is the best place to restart service after
update. Dovecot have runs several binaries, has some plugins,... in
short, it does not like when it's running during update. I was asked by
upstream to modify rpm package to stop it before update and start it
afterward
On 06/19/2012 03:50 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
Current status
Targeted release: Fedora 18
Last updated: 2012-6-19
Percentage of completion: 40%
When would it hit rawhide, ballpark?
I can't give a date yet, but following the FESCo approval of the feature
I made review requests tod
On Tue, 19 Jun 2012, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 09:40 +0100, Andrew Haley wrote:
On 06/18/2012 06:18 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> I hesitate to put words in people's mouths, and correct me if I'm
> wrong, but it reads to me as if Jay and others are arguing from an
> incorre
I wrote:
I would claim that the moral right to run whatever software we wish on
hardware we own is a negative right; it doesn't put any obligation on
another party to help you do it. If you can hack up Fedora to run on a
Nokia Windows phone, more power to you, but Nokia and Microsoft aren't
obl
Neal Becker wrote:
> It's been true for a long time that fedora sets up home dir as 775.
No, it is not true.
$ grep UMASK /etc/login.defs
UMASK 077
This setting has been in effect as far back as Fedora 6 and possibly
much farther.
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On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 09:40 +0100, Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 06/18/2012 06:18 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > I hesitate to put words in people's mouths, and correct me if I'm
> > wrong, but it reads to me as if Jay and others are arguing from an
> > incorrect premise. That premise is to assume th
On Tue, 2012-06-19 at 09:50 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:25:12 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 2012-06-18 at 18:23 +0100, Nelson Marques wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a doubt regarding the '.so's' in devel packages... From my
> > > understan
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