Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 07:42 +0100, Marcela Mašláňová wrote: > I'm just curious, how many programmes would stay in Fedora after > you finish systemd ;-) . and do we run systemd in emacs, or emacs from systemd?! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fe

Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-25 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 11/26/2010 01:27 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Thu, 25.11.10 17:33, Tomas Mraz (tm...@redhat.com) wrote: > >>> Actually it's true, but in the near future all standard cron jobs >>> might be runned by systemd >>> >>> http://0pointer.de/public/systemd-man/systemd.timer.html >>> >>> It's not 1

Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-25 Thread Genes MailLists
On 11/25/2010 11:01 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said: >> Well, I actually believe we should design an OS here, not just a set of >> independent tools. And that means I think closer integration is good and >> only has benefits. > > But this is a Unix-like OS, wher

Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-25 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said: > Well, I actually believe we should design an OS here, not just a set of > independent tools. And that means I think closer integration is good and > only has benefits. But this is a Unix-like OS, where each tool does one (or few) things and does them w

Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-25 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Lennart Poettering píše v Pá 26. 11. 2010 v 03:05 +0100: > On Fri, 26.11.10 02:07, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: > > Lennart Poettering píše v Pá 26. 11. 2010 v 01:27 +0100: > > > On Thu, 25.11.10 17:33, Tomas Mraz (tm...@redhat.com) wrote: > > > And also, cron does a couple of really nasty

Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-25 Thread Genes MailLists
On 11/25/2010 09:19 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 11/25/2010 09:08 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: >> On Thu, 25.11.10 19:57, Genes MailLists (li...@sapience.com) wrote: > keep the functionality. >> >> Hey, as I made explcitily clear I have no plans of taking away anything >> from you. No need to b

Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-25 Thread Genes MailLists
On 11/25/2010 09:08 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Thu, 25.11.10 19:57, Genes MailLists (li...@sapience.com) wrote: keep the functionality. > > Hey, as I made explcitily clear I have no plans of taking away anything > from you. No need to be defensive... Actually that was after I posted but

Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 25.11.10 19:57, Genes MailLists (li...@sapience.com) wrote: > > > > Although I can't be the only one who puts various cron jobs > > under /etc/cron.d that get run at various times. > > > > Andrew > > Almost every administrative cron here is in a cron.d crontab file .. we > need contro

Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 26.11.10 02:07, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote: > Lennart Poettering píše v Pá 26. 11. 2010 v 01:27 +0100: > > On Thu, 25.11.10 17:33, Tomas Mraz (tm...@redhat.com) wrote: > > And also, cron does a couple of really nasty things. For example it > > wakes up in regular intervals to che

[Bug 654301] False-positive related to XS code - please update to 0.11 or later

2010-11-25 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=654301 --- Comment #5 from Fedora Update System 2010-11-25 20:17:00 EST --- perl-Test-LeakTrace-0.13-1.fc13 has been pushed to the Fed

[Bug 654301] False-positive related to XS code - please update to 0.11 or later

2010-11-25 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=654301 --- Comment #4 from Fedora Update System 2010-11-25 20:09:03 EST --- perl-Test-LeakTrace-0.13-1.fc14 has been pushed to the Fed

[Bug 657015] perl-Sub-WrapPackages should not provide local override perl(lib)

2010-11-25 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=657015 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added --

Re: New gtk-vnc slower?

2010-11-25 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 22:05 -0700, Jerry James wrote: > I have a collection of virtual machines that I use to test > cross-platform compatibility of some code I'm developing. Today, the > virtual machine I was working on kept getting slower and slower > whenever a window refresh was needed. It go

Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-25 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Lennart Poettering píše v Pá 26. 11. 2010 v 01:27 +0100: > On Thu, 25.11.10 17:33, Tomas Mraz (tm...@redhat.com) wrote: > And also, cron does a couple of really nasty things. For example it > wakes up in regular intervals to check if a job is ready to run. It does > so to deal with wallclock time c

Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-25 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Lennart Poettering píše v Pá 26. 11. 2010 v 01:27 +0100: > And also, cron does a couple of really nasty things. For example it > wakes up in regular intervals to check if a job is ready to run. It does > so to deal with wallclock time changes/suspends. In systemd we are > working on a different way

Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-25 Thread Genes MailLists
> Although I can't be the only one who puts various cron jobs > under /etc/cron.d that get run at various times. > > Andrew Almost every administrative cron here is in a cron.d crontab file .. we need control over exactly what time certain things happen. So please keep the functionality. If

Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 26.11.10 00:46, Andrew Clayton (and...@digital-domain.net) wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 01:15:04 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > > The only contents of /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d is the lines to > > handle /etc/cron.daily and friends. As mentioned we can easily run > > On RHEL/

Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-25 Thread Andrew Clayton
On Fri, 26 Nov 2010 01:15:04 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > The only contents of /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d is the lines to > handle /etc/cron.daily and friends. As mentioned we can easily run On RHEL/CentOS (and it's likely only a matter of time before systemd fillers through to them) vari

Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 25.11.10 17:33, Tomas Mraz (tm...@redhat.com) wrote: > > Actually it's true, but in the near future all standard cron jobs > > might be runned by systemd > > > > http://0pointer.de/public/systemd-man/systemd.timer.html > > > > It's not 100 % cron replacement now, but who knows what the f

Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-25 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Thu, 25.11.10 08:39, Tomas Mraz (tm...@redhat.com) wrote: > > That's the point of the .path unit. i.e. you can list dirs to watch. If > > a user then drop a file into one of those dirs cron gets automatically > > started. > > > > Basically, in your .path unit you'd write something like this: >

[perl-CGI-Application-Plugin-Authentication] Update to 0.19

2010-11-25 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
commit 0cba28c61702b6ad49b55ae931744fac1998711c Author: Emmanuel Seyman Date: Fri Nov 26 00:27:21 2010 +0100 Update to 0.19 .gitignore |1 + perl-CGI-Application-Plugin-Authentication.spec |6 +- sources

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-25 Thread Brendan Jones
On 11/26/2010 08:24 AM, Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus) wrote: > Furthermore, step to reproduce also is very important, and may be we > should enforce users fill it? For example put it in separate required > field and check it is not empty (or may be some minimal heuristic > against fill it li

Re: Introducing wicked

2010-11-25 Thread Richard Zidlicky
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 11:17:48PM +0100, nodata wrote: > On 25/11/10 17:24, Olaf Kirch wrote: > > > > Presenting wicked network configuration > > === > > > > This is the first public release of wicked, an experimental framework > > for network configuration. > >

File CGI-Application-Plugin-Authentication-0.19.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by eseyman

2010-11-25 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-CGI-Application-Plugin-Authentication: 778f9e3c5ec4ba7702cc932d37bf9230 CGI-Application-Plugin-Authentication-0.19.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.f

Re: Introducing wicked

2010-11-25 Thread Chris Jones
On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 17:24 +0100, Olaf Kirch wrote: > Presenting wicked network configuration > === > > This is the first public release of wicked, an experimental framework > for network configuration. > > You may ask, don't we have enough of those already? D

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-25 Thread Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus)
26.11.2010 00:43, Brendan Jones пишет: > > On 11/25/2010 11:38 PM, Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus) wrote: > >> I think abrt is mostly useful tool, but it should be more interactive to >> our users. No, most problem from it (at my experience and by other >> answers there) because we got many repo

Re: Introducing wicked

2010-11-25 Thread nodata
On 25/11/10 17:24, Olaf Kirch wrote: > > Presenting wicked network configuration > === > > This is the first public release of wicked, an experimental framework > for network configuration. > > You may ask, don't we have enough of those already? Don't we have > N

Re: Introducing wicked

2010-11-25 Thread Pete Zaitcev
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 20:29:30 + "Richard W.M. Jones" wrote: > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 05:24:37PM +0100, Olaf Kirch wrote: > > You may ask, don't we have enough of those already? Don't we have > > NetworkManager, connman, netcf, and a few more? > > Indeed ... You don't explain how it's better

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-25 Thread Brendan Jones
On 11/25/2010 11:38 PM, Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus) wrote: > I think abrt is mostly useful tool, but it should be more interactive to > our users. No, most problem from it (at my experience and by other > answers there) because we got many reports dead at begining. Users > encountered fil

Re: Introducing wicked

2010-11-25 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 05:24:37PM +0100, Olaf Kirch wrote: > You may ask, don't we have enough of those already? Don't we have > NetworkManager, connman, netcf, and a few more? Indeed ... You don't explain how it's better than netcf. I notice a lot of hand-written C config file parsing in your

Re: New gtk-vnc slower?n

2010-11-25 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
Seems unlikely that it's gtk-vnc at fault here, but anyhow you should post the question the developer mailing list here: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-vnc-list Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones virt-df lists disk usage of guests

Re: F13 update issue..

2010-11-25 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 17:31:18 +0100, Marcela wrote: > On 11/25/2010 02:15 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 06:12:17 -0600, Rex wrote: > > > >>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 13:25:15 -0700, Nathanael wrote: > >>> > Hello, > > My aunt has F13 installed.. I got the followin

Re: libtool mismatch while building

2010-11-25 Thread Martin Gieseking
Am 25.11.2010 18:16, schrieb Ankur Sinha: > This is the error I receive while building the package (which was > corrected by using autoreconf -fi). How should I change my spec[1] to > work around the error please? >> libtool: You should recreate aclocal.m4 with macros from libtool 2.2.6 >> Debian

Re: libtool mismatch while building

2010-11-25 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 16:02 +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote: > Ankur Sinha writes: > > > Hello, > > > > How does one handle this error with libtool mismatches? > > > > I've run autoreconf, and aclocal && autoconf && automake, but it > > persists. (I don't know much about this stuff) > > Run "autorec

Re: libtool mismatch while building

2010-11-25 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 16:02 +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote: > Ankur Sinha writes: > > > Hello, > > > > How does one handle this error with libtool mismatches? > > > > I've run autoreconf, and aclocal && autoconf && automake, but it > > persists. (I don't know much about this stuff) > > Run "autorec

Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-25 Thread Michał Piotrowski
W dniu 25 listopada 2010 17:33 użytkownik Tomas Mraz napisał: > On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 09:31 +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote: >> Actually it's true, but in the near future all standard cron jobs >> might be runned by systemd >> >> http://0pointer.de/public/systemd-man/systemd.timer.html >> >> It's n

Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-25 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 09:31 +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > 2010/11/25 Tomas Mraz : > > On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 21:56 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > >> That's the point of the .path unit. i.e. you can list dirs to watch. If > >> a user then drop a file into one of those dirs cron gets automati

Re: F13 update issue..

2010-11-25 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
On 11/25/2010 02:15 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 06:12:17 -0600, Rex wrote: > >>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 13:25:15 -0700, Nathanael wrote: >>> Hello, My aunt has F13 installed.. I got the following from her. Is this a known bug ?? I can't make heads or tails

Introducing wicked

2010-11-25 Thread Olaf Kirch
Presenting wicked network configuration === This is the first public release of wicked, an experimental framework for network configuration. You may ask, don't we have enough of those already? Don't we have NetworkManager, connman, netcf, and a few more? The

Re: libtool mismatch while building

2010-11-25 Thread Andreas Schwab
Ankur Sinha writes: > Hello, > > How does one handle this error with libtool mismatches? > > I've run autoreconf, and aclocal && autoconf && automake, but it > persists. (I don't know much about this stuff) Run "autoreconf -fi". Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, sch...@redhat.com GPG Key fingerprin

libtool mismatch while building

2010-11-25 Thread Ankur Sinha
Hello, How does one handle this error with libtool mismatches? I've run autoreconf, and aclocal && autoconf && automake, but it persists. (I don't know much about this stuff) [ankurgu...@070905042 xorg-input-wizardpen-0.8.0]$ make make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory `/home/ankurGuest

Re: Fedora release model (was Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-11-17))

2010-11-25 Thread Chuck Anderson
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 01:18:54AM -0500, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 11/25/2010 01:13 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: > > http://oswatershed.org/ > > Hmm some interesting data there and some looks wrong to me: > > I see openssh at 5.5p1 not 5.0p1. but some like apache ours is lagging > by quite a

Re: bugzilla bugzappers?

2010-11-25 Thread Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus)
04.11.2010 06:10, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 22:12 -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 21:02 -0400, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > Maybe it is

Re: F13 update issue..

2010-11-25 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 06:12:17 -0600, Rex wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 13:25:15 -0700, Nathanael wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >>My aunt has F13 installed.. I got the following from her. Is this a > >> known bug ?? I can't make heads or tails of the error message or what to > >> tell her to

Re: F13 update issue..

2010-11-25 Thread Rex Dieter
Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 13:25:15 -0700, Nathanael wrote: > >> Hello, >> >>My aunt has F13 installed.. I got the following from her. Is this a >> known bug ?? I can't make heads or tails of the error message or what to >> tell her to do to resolve it. >> >> ERROR with r

Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-25 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 09:31 +0100, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > 2010/11/25 Tomas Mraz : > > On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 21:56 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > >> That's the point of the .path unit. i.e. you can list dirs to watch. If > >> a user then drop a file into one of those dirs cron gets automati

rawhide report: 20101125 changes

2010-11-25 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Thu Nov 25 08:15:04 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- beagle-0.3.9-19.fc14.x86_64 requires libmono.so.0()(64bit) beagle-0.3.9-19.fc14.x86_64 requires libmono.so.0(VER_1)(64bit) bognor-regis-0.6.11-1

Re: Updates Criteria Summary/Brainstorming

2010-11-25 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:55:38 +0100, Kevin wrote: > Mike Fedyk wrote: > > Install package from updates-testing, then +1 to karma after it works > > for you with your tests and normal workload. > > The average user won't even KNOW there's an update available in updates- > testing before it's too la

Re: F15 Feature - convert as many service init files as possible to the native SystemD services

2010-11-25 Thread Michał Piotrowski
2010/11/25 Tomas Mraz : > On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 21:56 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: >> That's the point of the .path unit. i.e. you can list dirs to watch. If >> a user then drop a file into one of those dirs cron gets automatically >> started. >> >> Basically, in your .path unit you'd write som