Re: Yubikeys are now supported

2010-10-07 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 12:07:34AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 11:30:43PM -0400, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > The newer yubikey hardware has provision for two AES keys but I'm not sure > > how that works and whether it actually allows you to use separate keys with > > separ

systemd service timeout with kdump

2010-10-07 Thread Jon Masters
Folks, It would seem that systemd employs some kind of arbitrary timeout (30 seconds?) by default and will log "operation timed out. Terminating" if things take longer than this time to start up. I would like to know how to increase this timeout, or to (preferably) disable it entirely. Certain se

Re: Yubikeys are now supported

2010-10-07 Thread Paul Wouters
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Mike McGrath wrote: > My understanding on this is, and I reserve the right to misunderstand > this, is that once the AES key is on the yubikey, there is no way to get > it off of there. That key is just used to generate OTP's. So if an > attacker were to get an OTP they could

Re: Yubikeys are now supported

2010-10-07 Thread Paul Wouters
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > The one time passwords generated by the yubikey can safely be used with > multiple services. The thing that is unsafe is using the same AES key with > multiple ykksm's. Yubico runs a ykksm for people to use with some third > party websites that suppor

Re: Yubikeys are now supported

2010-10-07 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 11:30:43PM -0400, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > The newer yubikey hardware has provision for two AES keys but I'm not sure > how that works and whether it actually allows you to use separate keys with > separate servers. Someone will need to look into this. Yes, separate keys -

Re: Yubikeys are now supported

2010-10-07 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 08:54:12PM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: > > I have one and I've played with it in fedora. There is however an important > catch. The server and the yubikey share the same AES symmetric key. This means > that if the yubikey is used for multiple sites by one user, that user is

Re: Yubikeys are now supported

2010-10-07 Thread Mike McGrath
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Ricky Zhou wrote: > On 2010-10-07 07:25:47 PM, Mike McLean wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > > > I have one and I've played with it in fedora. There is however an > > > important > > > catch. The server and the yubikey share the same AES symmetr

Re: Yubikeys are now supported

2010-10-07 Thread Ricky Zhou
On 2010-10-07 07:25:47 PM, Mike McLean wrote: > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > > I have one and I've played with it in fedora. There is however an important > > catch. The server and the yubikey share the same AES symmetric key. This > > means > > that if the yubikey is use

Re: Yubikeys are now supported

2010-10-07 Thread Mike McGrath
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Mike McGrath wrote: > > >>> We also decided to allow yubikeys as an authentication option for the > >>> larger community to some hosts and services like fedorapeople.org or > >>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/. When asked f

Re: Yubikeys are now supported

2010-10-07 Thread Paul Wouters
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Mike McLean wrote: >> I guess in a way it is like using the same password, but people might not be >> thinking of that when they have a "device" on them that they use. > > Wow, that's a serious weakness. Are we sure about this? http://www.yubico.com/files/Security_Evaluation_2

Re: Yubikeys are now supported

2010-10-07 Thread Garrett Holmstrom
On 10/7/2010 12:04, Mike McGrath wrote: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastruture/Yubikey ^^ Typo alert! ;) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Yubikeys are now supported

2010-10-07 Thread Mike McLean
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > I have one and I've played with it in fedora. There is however an important > catch. The server and the yubikey share the same AES symmetric key. This means > that if the yubikey is used for multiple sites by one user, that user is > sharing >

Re: Chain builds for non-rawhide

2010-10-07 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/5/10 2:30 PM, Mamoru Tasaka wrote: > Well, how about creating "dist-f14-for-chainbuild" build target and allow > people to tag or untag build as/from that tag freely? > > For example currently > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildtargetinfo

Re: Package rebuilds for gcc bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=634757

2010-10-07 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/6/10 1:34 AM, Peter Robinson wrote: > What happens in a case where the packager is about to push a new > version, or there has been a rebuild since the 26th? > In this case my script will detect a new build in either dist-f14-updates-candidate

Re: Package rebuilds for gcc bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=634757

2010-10-07 Thread Jesse Keating
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/6/10 1:44 AM, Tim Waugh wrote: > On Tue, 2010-10-05 at 15:27 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: >> PPS I did not modify my bump script yet to attempt a commit to master >> and merge to the f14 branch. In the interest of time, I took the easy >> route

Re: Yubikeys are now supported

2010-10-07 Thread Camilo Mesias
I'm not a security expert but I understood that the usual way to use these keys was to have one server that the key authenticates with, and further sites would be accessible through openID or similar - so the authentication is always with one server. Using the same device with mutliple servers is

Re: Yubikeys are now supported

2010-10-07 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 12:04:49PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > Implementation work continues to be discussed and put in please but please > direct any questions or comments to #fedora-admin on irc.freenode.net or > the Infrastructure mailing list - Hello, synchronicity! I was just looking at thi

Re: Yubikeys are now supported

2010-10-07 Thread Paul Wouters
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Mike McGrath wrote: >>> We also decided to allow yubikeys as an authentication option for the >>> larger community to some hosts and services like fedorapeople.org or >>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/. When asked for a password, >>> just use your yubikey to genera

Re: Yubikeys are now supported

2010-10-07 Thread Mike McGrath
On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 12:04:49 -0500, > Mike McGrath wrote: > > > > We also decided to allow yubikeys as an authentication option for the > > larger community to some hosts and services like fedorapeople.org or > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/c

GNOME notification icons?

2010-10-07 Thread Jon Masters
Folks, On current rawhide (perhaps caused by upgrade from F14 beta), I'm getting a few weirdly broken icons for notification applets. Those applets then crash when moused over or clicked on with a SEGV that looks to be caused by it not finding the correct icon (I did file an ABRT bug last night fo

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-07 Thread Martin Sourada
On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 13:40 +, Matej Cepl wrote: > Martin Sourada, Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:39:00 +0200: > > But I have my doubts about > > mozilla in this regard, after all, proper support on linux does not seem > > to be high priority for them > > I just fell the urge to mention here > https://bu

Re: Yubikeys are now supported

2010-10-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 12:04:49 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: > > We also decided to allow yubikeys as an authentication option for the > larger community to some hosts and services like fedorapeople.org or > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/. When asked for a password, > just use your

Re: Quick question on building f14 isos?

2010-10-07 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > There was a change in glibc during the F14 development cycle that > requires running a newer kernel in order to run the f14 binaries. > > You could probably cheat a new kernel onto F11 and then do the pungi > compose in a mock chroot of f14 c

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-07 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 01:03:13PM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:21:33 +0200 > Till Maas wrote: > > Also can someone please explain the practical advantages of requiring > > the autokarma threshold to approve the ability to push a non critical > > path update to stable instea

Re: Making Fedora work with laptops on docking station with external monitor

2010-10-07 Thread Dan Horák
Pasi Kärkkäinen píše v Čt 07. 10. 2010 v 22:29 +0300: > On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 10:17:11AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 10:49 +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > > > > > > that bug is already inconvenient for some people; if they have laptops > > > > with bad lid switches i

Re: Making Fedora work with laptops on docking station with external monitor

2010-10-07 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 10:17:11AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 10:49 +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > > > > that bug is already inconvenient for some people; if they have laptops > > > with bad lid switches it'd be much more inconvenient. The only active > > > display woul

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 13:40 +, Matej Cepl wrote: > Martin Sourada, Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:39:00 +0200: > > But I have my doubts about > > mozilla in this regard, after all, proper support on linux does not seem > > to be high priority for them > > I just fell the urge to mention here > https://bu

Re: Review request: Nice-to-have bug process documentation proposal

2010-10-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 11:07 -0400, James Laska wrote: > > All of them. They're mostly modifications of existing pages. I'm not > > quite sure how you get that they look the same, they're very different. > > General note ... There are a few broken links on this page. I didn't > inspect *all* of t

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 08:36 -0400, Brandon Lozza wrote: > What are you guys going to do if someone does it anyway in a country > where Redhat hasn't registered the Fedora trademark, or countries > where another country already owns the Fedora trademark. Do you think > spammers are going to host in

Re: Making Fedora work with laptops on docking station with external monitor

2010-10-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 10:49 +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > > that bug is already inconvenient for some people; if they have laptops > > with bad lid switches it'd be much more inconvenient. The only active > > display would be the external display they weren't actually using. > > I read that bug

[perl-DateTime-Format-Natural/f13/master] update to 0.90

2010-10-07 Thread Iain Arnell
Summary of changes: c7c626e... update to 0.90 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mail

[perl-DateTime-Format-Natural/f14/master] update to 0.90

2010-10-07 Thread Iain Arnell
Summary of changes: c7c626e... update to 0.90 (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mail

Yubikeys are now supported

2010-10-07 Thread Mike McGrath
The Fedora Infrastructure team is happy to announce support for the hardware key authentication device, the yubikey. Users will be able to use their own yubikeys to access some Fedora services, like fedorapeople.org or some web services. Why have we done this? The main purpose was to provide mu

[perl-DateTime-Format-Natural] update to 0.90

2010-10-07 Thread Iain Arnell
commit c7c626e362a1a07ad20af64f9881c6a7dfcd2faf Author: Iain Arnell Date: Thu Oct 7 18:57:20 2010 +0200 update to 0.90 .gitignore|1 + perl-DateTime-Format-Natural.spec | 19 --- sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 14

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-07 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 10/07/2010 08:36 AM, Brandon Lozza wrote: > On 10/6/10, Adam Williamson wrote: >> If we don't protect the Fedora trademark, anyone can produce anything >> and call it 'Fedora'. Including something which doesn't fit into our >> philosophy of freedom at all. > > What are you guys going to do if

F-14 Branched report: 20101007 changes

2010-10-07 Thread Branched Report
Compose started at Thu Oct 7 13:15:30 UTC 2010 Broken deps for x86_64 -- almanah-0.7.3-3.fc14.x86_64 requires libedataserverui-1.2.so.10()(64bit) antlr3-python-3.1.2-7.fc14.noarch requires python(abi) = 0:2.6 frysk-0.

Re: Review request: Nice-to-have bug process documentation proposal

2010-10-07 Thread James Laska
On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 12:32 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 14:58 -0400, John Poelstra wrote: > > Adam Williamson said the following on 10/06/2010 01:32 PM Pacific Time: > > > On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 12:58 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote: > > >> Hi, everyone. So we partly used the

Re: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs

2010-10-07 Thread Matej Cepl
Martin Sourada, Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:39:00 +0200: > But I have my doubts about > mozilla in this regard, after all, proper support on linux does not seem > to be high priority for them I just fell the urge to mention here https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=577653#c6 and http://en.wikipedi

rawhide report: 20101007 changes

2010-10-07 Thread Rawhide Report
-nfsv4-1.1.0 - Remove CIMOM dependencies sblim-cmpi-params-1.3.0-1.fc15 -- * Wed Oct 06 2010 Vitezslav Crhonek - 1.3.0-1 - Update to sblim-cmpi-params-1.3.0 - Remove CIMOM dependencies sepostgresql-9.0.1-20101007.fc15 * Thu

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-07 Thread Brandon Lozza
I think an exception should be made for Chromium too. Having a more secure browser would benefit the main repositories. On 10/7/10, Brandon Lozza wrote: > On 10/6/10, Adam Williamson wrote: >> On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 16:41 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> >>> However, this here is Fedora, a project

Re: trademarks [was: xulrunner 2.0 in rawhide (F15) bundles several system libs]

2010-10-07 Thread Brandon Lozza
On 10/6/10, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 16:41 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >> However, this here is Fedora, a project that once was aiming at >> "Freedom" - As trivial as it is, restrictive trademark policies simply >> do not fit into this philosophy. > > If we don't protect t

Re: Firewall settings unworkable

2010-10-07 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 19:31 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Seems quite complex. What's wrong with a directory: > > /etc/iptables.d/ > > where RPMs like libvirt just drop the required additional rules (in a > separate chain if you like) and restart the iptables service? It's > low-tech but

Re: Firewall settings unworkable

2010-10-07 Thread Tim Waugh
On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 17:26 +0200, Thomas Woerner wrote: > It is possible to specify a timeout for a firewall service and also the > other features. The service will be opened immediately and closed again > after the defined period is over. This allows to accept new connections > from unknown so

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-10-07 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 10/07/2010 12:20 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > How would you suggest wording this? The above is what people might > expect from a F(n-1), but what policy would match these goals? > > ie, how can we explain how F(n-1) is different from F(n) for > maintainers? What updates should be in one and not the

Re: fedpkg koji error

2010-10-07 Thread Thomas Spura
On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:19:21 +0200 Farkas Levente wrote: > hi, > while try to make a scratch build i always got: > - > # fedpkg scratch-build > Could not log into koji: Opening a SSL connection failed > - > even if i t

Re: Firewall settings unworkable

2010-10-07 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 10/07/2010 02:20 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 10/06/2010 11:26 AM, Thomas Woerner wrote: > >> 6) Compatibility Mode >> >> The current static firewall model will still be available for >> compatibility for users or administrators creating their own firewall. >> This deactivates the firewall se

Re: Firewall settings unworkable

2010-10-07 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 10/06/2010 08:31 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Seems quite complex. What's wrong with a directory: > >/etc/iptables.d/ > > where RPMs like libvirt just drop the required additional rules (in a > separate chain if you like) and restart the iptables service? It's > low-tech but simple and

Re: fedpkg koji error

2010-10-07 Thread Pavel Alexeev (aka Pahan-Hubbitus)
Try verbose variant to figure out what happened: $ fedpkg -v scratch-build 06.10.2010 13:19, Farkas Levente wrote: > hi, > while try to make a scratch build i always got: > - > # fedpkg scratch-build > Could not log into koji: Opening a SSL connection fai

Re: Making Fedora work with laptops on docking station with external monitor

2010-10-07 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 02:31:22PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 23:32 +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > > > What's the worst thing that can happen when trusting the ACPI lid state? > > > > Think about this: > > > > - Laptop lid open (so internal lvds enabled), and also ext