On 04/26/2010 12:19 PM, Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 14:47 -0400, Jean-Francois Saucier wrote:
>
>> If I check in the Ubuntu Lucid repository, orafce is packaged as
>> postgresql-8.3-orafce, same for Debian.
>>
> It is probably because they ship different PostgreSQL versio
On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 14:47 -0400, Jean-Francois Saucier wrote:
> If I check in the Ubuntu Lucid repository, orafce is packaged as
> postgresql-8.3-orafce, same for Debian.
It is probably because they ship different PostgreSQL versions in each
distro. Fedora does not have this yet (FWIW, I'm wor
On 24/04/10 11:13, Luming Yu wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I came across a really weird problem with flash player on playing
> these video on http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/index.html
>
> For those featured videos like Bacteria-size Babies Among Ocean's Smallest
> Life:
> Linux (f12) i686 + fl
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Robin 'cheese' Lee
wrote:
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/gentoo
>
> If the owner takes no count of this package, I would like to co-maintain it.
> My FAS account is 'cheeselee'.
> Thank you!
You added yourself already to the package. You could s
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/gentoo
If the owner takes no count of this package, I would like to co-maintain it.
My FAS account is 'cheeselee'.
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On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Luming Yu wrote:
> Hmm,... tried ff 3.6.4, not working...
Just fyi, the flash video in question works fine for me in a fully
updated 64bit F13 beta using the 64bit flash using the tarball from
the adobe website
libflashplayer-10.0.45.2.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
I d
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Luming Yu wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Martin Stransky wrote:
>> On 04/24/2010 12:13 PM, Luming Yu wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I came across a really weird problem with flash player on playing
>>> these video on http://video.nationalgeographic.com/v
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Christoph Wickert wrote:
>> repoquery --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=rawhide --whatrequires
>> ImageMagick
>
> FYI, repoquery --repoid=rawhide --whatrequires ImageMagick does the trick
> too.
>
That does not detect packages that require ImageMa
On 04/25/2010 07:17 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> The upstream version has that bug too, they just don't care about it enough
> to release a fixed version in a timely manner.
OH - FYI, I am running upstream and I don't have that problem ... can
disconnect the network all i want .. no crash.
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Mail Lists wrote:
> Can someone explain why the fedora version has a bug which upstream
> version does not ? Or am I missing something ?
The upstream version has that bug too, they just don't care about it enough
to release a fixed version in a timely manner.
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Christoph Wickert wrote:
> repoquery --disablerepo=\* --enablerepo=rawhide --whatrequires
> ImageMagick
FYI, repoquery --repoid=rawhide --whatrequires ImageMagick does the trick
too.
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Chris Tyler wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 00:33 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> What about patches to use system libraries?
>
> I'm sure they'd love to receive 'em!
http://patch-tracker.debian.org/patch/series/view/xulrunner/1.9.2.3-2/debian-hacks/0011-Disable-APNG-support-when-system-libpng-do
On 04/25/2010 06:21 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Can someone explain why the fedora version has a bug which upstream
version does not ? Or am I missing something ?
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Am Sonntag, den 25.04.2010, 18:11 +0400 schrieb Pavel Alexeev (aka
Pahan-Hubbitus):
> I'll plan update ImageMagick now -
[snipped]
> Must I notify someone about coming update? How? Is it enough write
> here?
I suggest to use
repoquery --whatrequires ImageMagick
and
repoquery --disablerepo=\* -
Chris Tyler wrote:
> Wait, let's not get silly here.
>
> Fedora has a great relationship with Mozilla. They're an amazing project
> filled with people that Get It, and we can work out issues with them in
> a cooperative way.
I'm fed up of the "they're great, so let's do all they want" rhetoric. N
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> They also care very little about the needs of distros and it took years for
> some of the system libs to get used rather than bundled, for things like
> system icons getting adopted etc. They still suck in the system integration
> domain in m
Mail Lists wrote:
> If it was fedora branded then I'd guess a goodly chunk would just go
> and install the upstream anyway coz they would not know nor trust the
> browser called 'Fedora-Browser' or whatever.
>
> Those wishing to use firefox will use firefox - those wishing to use
> google-chro
Tom Lane wrote:
> Wouldn't it be sensible to approach the Mozilla folk about getting them
> to relax their requirements so that sane packaging is possible? ISTM
> that this must be a problem for other distros too.
We have tried, Debian has tried, other distros have tried, Mozilla just said
"no".
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> We could even try coordinating names with Debian to reduce confusion.
Yes, definitely. We should ask Debian about using the ice* names they're
using, and also share patches with them.
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Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> Isn't this a FESCO issue? Maybe it is time to reopen this issue?
Knowing my fellow FESCo members, I don't think I'll get a majority to agree
with me. :-(
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On 04/25/2010 01:37 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
>
> I think you are grossly misjudging the relative visibility and
> importance of the Firefox and Fedora brands... nobody knows what Fedora
> is, while most computer users will have at least heard about Firefox.
>
>
Agreed a fortiori - in fact
On 04/26/2010 01:41 AM, Chris Tyler wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 00:33 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
>> On 04/26/2010 12:18 AM, Chris Tyler wrote:
>>
>>> Let's not be brash. If we want to ship TB with one small patch, it's a
>>> simple matter of asking.
>>>
>> If it was so simple,
On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 00:33 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 04/26/2010 12:18 AM, Chris Tyler wrote:
> >
> > Let's not be brash. If we want to ship TB with one small patch, it's a
> > simple matter of asking.
>
> If it was so simple, why haven't we done it already?
We did, with Firefox and Pan
2010/4/24 Christoph Höger :
> Hi all,
>
> I was just wondering: How mature is ABRTs duplicate detection?
>
> You might all know the MS "search for a solution to this problem" window
> popping up after an application crashes. I've never seen it doing
> something usefull, though. But if ABRT could de
On 04/26/2010 12:18 AM, Chris Tyler wrote:
>
> Let's not be brash. If we want to ship TB with one small patch, it's a
> simple matter of asking.
>
If it was so simple, why haven't we done it already? What about patches
to use system libraries?
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On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 12:45 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 13:37:11 -0400,
> Matthias Clasen wrote:
> > On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 10:08 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> >
> > > I don't see how using Mozilla trademarks provides significant benefit
> > > to Fedora. It seems to
lör 2010-04-24 klockan 10:37 +0200 skrev Christoph Höger:
> But if ABRT could detect duplicate crashes
> one could use this to display a workaround or even propose an update via
> packagekit.
It could look in bodhi for packages which claim to fix the bug.
"Would you like to test a proposed fix
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 13:37:11 -0400,
Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 10:08 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>
> > I don't see how using Mozilla trademarks provides significant benefit
> > to Fedora. It seems to mostly benefit Mozilla. I don't see why we should
> > be breaking our
On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 10:08 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> I don't see how using Mozilla trademarks provides significant benefit
> to Fedora. It seems to mostly benefit Mozilla. I don't see why we should
> be breaking our rules to help them.
I think you are grossly misjudging the relative visib
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 18:33:27 +0200,
Thomas Janssen wrote:
>
> Whoops, sorry for the PM Bruno and Kevin, i did just click on reply to
> all. Forgot to check for a cc.
If I didn't want PM copies, I'd set mail-followup-to to not get them.
I sometimes find it useful to get the extra copy.
Als
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Thomas Janssen
wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Tom Lane wrote:
>> Bruno Wolff III writes:
>>> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:03:28 -0400,
>>> Tom Lane wrote:
Wouldn't it be sensible to approach the Mozilla folk about getting them
to relax their
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Tom Lane wrote:
> Bruno Wolff III writes:
>> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:03:28 -0400,
>> Tom Lane wrote:
>>> Wouldn't it be sensible to approach the Mozilla folk about getting them
>>> to relax their requirements so that sane packaging is possible? ISTM
>>> tha
Compose started at Sun Apr 25 09:15:12 UTC 2010
Broken deps for i386
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metagoofil-1.4a-4.fc13.noarch requires /usr/bin/libextractor-extractor
Broken deps for x86_64
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Bruno Wolff III writes:
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:03:28 -0400,
> Tom Lane wrote:
>> Wouldn't it be sensible to approach the Mozilla folk about getting them
>> to relax their requirements so that sane packaging is possible? ISTM
>> that this must be a problem for other distros too.
> I thou
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:03:28 -0400,
Tom Lane wrote:
> Bruno Wolff III writes:
> > The issue is that the Mozilla trademark rules are preventing us from
> > packaging software using those trademarks in accordance with our rules.
> > I think it would be better for the trademarks to go, rather
Bruno Wolff III writes:
> The issue is that the Mozilla trademark rules are preventing us from
> packaging software using those trademarks in accordance with our rules.
> I think it would be better for the trademarks to go, rather than granting
> exceptions to the rules.
Wouldn't it be sensible t
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 10:26:41 -0500,
Mike McGrath wrote:
>
> I'm going to be sending one out in a bit. The storage system on db3
> (where koji's database lives) went south about a half hour ago. We're
> working on it but no estimate on when it will be available again.
Thanks for fixing th
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 17:35:13 +0200,
drago01 wrote:
>
> By shipping software using names known to users coming from other OSes?
While in general it would be confusing if everything was renamed, I think
the default web browser name is less of an issue since it is installed
by default. People
There was an outage starting at 2010-04-25 14:30 UTC, which lasted
approximately 1 hour.
To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto
or run:
date -d '2010-04-25 14:30 UTC'
Reason for outage:
db3, koji's primary database, was throwing r
With a Fedora release coming soon, it's also time for Fedora
Elections. Both the Fedora Project Board and the Fedora Engineering
Steering Committee (FESCo) will have open seats during this election
cycle.
Nominations for these seats open tomorrow, Saturday, April 24, 2010.
You can nominate yours
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 09:47:26 +0200,
> Kevin Kofler wrote:
>>
>> Those packages are also sometimes not compliant with Fedora policies such as
>> usage of system libraries because any patches to use a system library need
>> trademark ap
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:18:09AM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> I'm getting
>
> 500 Internal error
>
> The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from
> fulfilling the request.
>
> Powered by CherryPy 2.3.0
>
> while trying to submit new package updates in
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:18:09 -0400,
> Tom Lane wrote:
> > I'm getting
> >
> > 500 Internal error
> >
> > The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from
> > fulfilling the request.
> >
> > Powered by CherryPy
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:18:09 -0400,
Tom Lane wrote:
> I'm getting
>
> 500 Internal error
>
> The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from
> fulfilling the request.
>
> Powered by CherryPy 2.3.0
>
> while trying to submit new package updates in
I'm getting
500 Internal error
The server encountered an unexpected condition which prevented it from
fulfilling the request.
Powered by CherryPy 2.3.0
while trying to submit new package updates in bodhi.
regards, tom lane
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On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 09:47:26 +0200,
Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
> Those packages are also sometimes not compliant with Fedora policies such as
> usage of system libraries because any patches to use a system library need
> trademark approval. This is also just unacceptable. See e.g. the Hunspell
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=585336
Marcela Mašláňová changed:
What|Removed |Added
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I'll plan update ImageMagick now -
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=579458
ABI change follow.
And according it I have some questions. New minor version of IM made
around 1-2 times in week. What policy I should use to handle it? Have it
worth update it in rawhide each time when new
On 24 April 2010 17:30, Mike Chambers wrote:
> Burned a fresh boot.iso from this morning to attempt a new F13 install.
> Everything worked up to the point of the first gui screen, which is I am
> guessing the welcome to Fedora install screen. No response from
> mouse/keyboard (MS Wireless desktop
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> drago01 wrote:
>> "Hi, I am the maintainer of libQGLViewer in Fedora." ...
>>
>> Actually reading the mails before replying might help ;)
>
> He's the maintainer of libQGLViewer. He didn't say whether or not he's the
> maintainer of skyviewer
drago01 wrote:
> "Hi, I am the maintainer of libQGLViewer in Fedora." ...
>
> Actually reading the mails before replying might help ;)
He's the maintainer of libQGLViewer. He didn't say whether or not he's the
maintainer of skyviewer, which is what matters here, see the context of the
statement
Christoph Wickert wrote:
> I'm doing this for ~ 130 packages and it works for me.
Good for you. I have more important things to do than do triaging day and
night, sorry.
> Of course it is a some work, but it's easier for 20 downstream maintainers
> to deal with 10 reports each a week than for a
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Laurent Rineau wrote:
>> QUESTIONS: What is the right way to get skyviewer in Rawhide rebuild
>> against the last release of libQGLViewer? How should I proceed in future
>> to synchronize rebuilds of libQGLViewer and packages using it?
>
> If
Christoph Wickert wrote:
> I'm upstreaming reports from 'lazy idiots' too and some of them get
> fixed. In fact the percentage of the ones that get fixed is not
> different from the 'active' reporters cause usually the backtrace
> contains all necessary data for the developer to fix the problem.
A
On 25/04/10 09:20, Christoph Wickert wrote:
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>
> And obviously a checkbox doesn't help ether to separate the 'lazy
> idiots' from the active reporters. Q. E. D. ;)
Or perhaps the lazy maintainers?
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Am Sonntag, den 25.04.2010, 09:23 +0200 schrieb Kevin Kofler:
> Christoph Wickert wrote:
> > We have this nice ABRT tool now, so please let the bug reports our users
> > collect not be useless and forward them upstream cause that's where they
> > belong. We are not collecting these reports to let t
Laurent Rineau wrote:
> QUESTIONS: What is the right way to get skyviewer in Rawhide rebuild
> against the last release of libQGLViewer? How should I proceed in future
> to synchronize rebuilds of libQGLViewer and packages using it?
If you're the maintainer, bump Release and rebuild. If you're not
Am Sonntag, den 25.04.2010, 09:17 +0200 schrieb Kevin Kofler:
>
> ABRT bugs are usually filed by
> lazy idiots who have hit a "fix my software!" button and expect everything
> else to magically happen without them doing anything, so requests to
> upstream bugs are usually met with total silence
I wrote:
> Those packages are also sometimes not compliant with Fedora policies such
> as usage of system libraries because any patches to use a system library
> need trademark approval. This is also just unacceptable.
PPS: And another one: xulrunner uses a bundled libffi. Another blatant
violat
I wrote:
> Those packages are also sometimes not compliant with Fedora policies such
> as usage of system libraries because any patches to use a system library
> need trademark approval.
Another one: Thunderbird STILL bundles its own Gecko instead of using the
system xulrunner, another blatant vi
Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> Thanks for providing evidence of how trademarks are being applied to
> void the benefits of "open source".
>
> The obvious logical consequences of what you say would be
> * either to remove the packages you are referring to from Fedora because
> they are effectively unmaint
Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> Well, c.f. freedom 3 on http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
>
> You told us, you can't modify the sources and ship modified binaries
> => thunderbird and firefox are non-free, because of the trademarks
> Mozilla apply.
>
> => These packages should not be part of Fed
Martin Stransky wrote:
> No, you get it wrong. It's about cooperation, we work with upstream to
> release one valid product. See the upstream bug, the fix may be included
> in next security update.
That's too late. It should have been applied weeks ago! That crash has been
known for 7 weeks, a qu
Thomas Janssen wrote:
> ...*may be included* in next security update.
>
> Well, Ralf is right. That situation is just sick. To have a patch that
> fixes a crashing application but it can't be applied, because of
> Trademark/Branding problems. And even worse, that the app has to crash
> for *everyo
Christoph Wickert wrote:
> We have this nice ABRT tool now, so please let the bug reports our users
> collect not be useless and forward them upstream cause that's where they
> belong. We are not collecting these reports to let them rotten in our
> bugzilla and get them closed by the bugzappers. Th
Adam Williamson wrote:
> Not really. abrt reports are bug reports on crashing applications. The
> fact that they're automatically generated doesn't really matter a lot.
> Our policies should be as wide as practical, having special policies for
> some bugs just because they happen to have been gener
Thomas Spura wrote:
> Am Samstag, den 24.04.2010, 13:27 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
>> There is a alternative. For some of my packages, I have asked upstream
>> to sign up for a Fedora account and apply to watch commits and bugs.
>> Since my packages are either patch free or I apply patches re
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