Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Karel Klic
Kevin Kofler wrote: > Stefan Schulze Frielinghaus wrote: >> However, in the meantime I stopped reporting crashes via ABRT because I >> think it raises the load for a package maintainer to high while the >> report should go directly to upstream. Bothering the maintainer first >> instead of upstream

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Samstag, den 06.02.2010, 21:59 +0100 schrieb drago01: > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Thomas Spura > wrote: > > Am Samstag, den 06.02.2010, 20:18 +0100 schrieb Christoph Wickert: > >> Am Samstag, den 06.02.2010, 19:27 +0100 schrieb drago01: > >> > What needs to be fixed here is bugzilla not A

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Mail Lists
On 02/06/2010 03:50 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: rt. ;( > > So, I think we need a fixed kernel in updates-testing and wait a bit > before pushing this to stable, IMHO. > > kevin > Surely you're not suggesting holding up a decent kernel from going to stable while waiting for Abrt ? -- devel maili

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 21:48 +, Leigh Scott wrote: > On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 13:32 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > And, IIRC, Jiri has already agreed and said this will be implemented, so > > why bring it up again? > > -- > > Adam Williamson > > Fedora QA Community Monkey > > IRC: adamw | Fe

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Leigh Scott
On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 13:32 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > And, IIRC, Jiri has already agreed and said this will be implemented, so > why bring it up again? > -- > Adam Williamson > Fedora QA Community Monkey > IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org > http://www.happyassassi

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 14:08 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 10:53:14 +, Leigh wrote: > > > IMO ABRT isn't that useful as a lot of the reports don't include steps > > to reproduce (I just close the bugs after a month if they don't respond > > to the "needinfo" request). > >

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Adam Williamson
On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 14:08 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 10:53:14 +, Leigh wrote: > > > IMO ABRT isn't that useful as a lot of the reports don't include steps > > to reproduce (I just close the bugs after a month if they don't respond > > to the "needinfo" request). > >

Re: Purging the F13 orphans

2010-02-06 Thread Jens Maucher
Am Sat, 6 Feb 2010 13:47:23 -0700 schrieb Kevin Fenzi : > On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:24:17 -0800 > Jesse Keating wrote: > > > Unblocked orphan pisg > > I'm going to take pisg... Hopefully to hand it off to another > interested maintainer soon. ;) > > kevin I have an open review requeston pisg, s

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread drago01
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Thomas Spura wrote: > Am Samstag, den 06.02.2010, 20:18 +0100 schrieb Christoph Wickert: >> Am Samstag, den 06.02.2010, 19:27 +0100 schrieb drago01: >> > What needs to be fixed here is bugzilla not ABRT, we need a "report >> > upstream" button. >> >> Ok, and where i

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:03:23 +0100 Karel Klic wrote: ...snip... > Please consider testing and adding +1 karma to ABRT 1.0.6 in Bodhi. Sadly, I don't think it's going to get much testing currently. The only folks who can test it are those that just enable updates-testing and update abrt. Anyon

Re: Purging the F13 orphans

2010-02-06 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:24:17 -0800 Jesse Keating wrote: > Unblocked orphan pisg I'm going to take pisg... Hopefully to hand it off to another interested maintainer soon. ;) kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedor

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Neil Horman
On Sat, Feb 06, 2010 at 06:53:31PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Stefan Schulze Frielinghaus wrote: > > However, in the meantime I stopped reporting crashes via ABRT because I > > think it raises the load for a package maintainer to high while the > > report should go directly to upstream. Bothering

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Thomas Spura
Am Samstag, den 06.02.2010, 20:18 +0100 schrieb Christoph Wickert: > Am Samstag, den 06.02.2010, 19:27 +0100 schrieb drago01: > > What needs to be fixed here is bugzilla not ABRT, we need a "report > > upstream" button. > > Ok, and where is the "submit downstream" button in upstream's bug > tracke

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Samstag, den 06.02.2010, 16:22 +0100 schrieb Till Maas: > On Sat, Feb 06, 2010 at 12:23:31PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > +1. ABRT is just broken in so many ways it's not even funny and should > > never > > have been shipped in its current state. > > For yum related python backtrace bugs,

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Samstag, den 06.02.2010, 19:27 +0100 schrieb drago01: > Well reports should go to the maintainer first, he should forward it > to upstream as needed. I disagree. Basically there are two situations: 1. The backtrace or the bug report is incomplete. In 95% of these cases submitters

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread drago01
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Michael Schwendt wrote: >> I'm happy about every detailed backtrace I get, but I would be even more >> happy if users contributed a tiny bit more and added comments to their >> tickets and responded to NEEDINFO queries and gave feedback on Test

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 18:03, Karel Klic wrote: > It became better with later releases, but the bug you described made it > bad again (for this release). > > As far as I can tell, the last large-scale change (the new GUI) was > finished in 1.0.4. It introduced some bugs, but those are fixed now.

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Kevin Kofler
Michael Schwendt wrote: > I'm happy about every detailed backtrace I get, but I would be even more > happy if users contributed a tiny bit more and added comments to their > tickets and responded to NEEDINFO queries and gave feedback on Test > Updates. ABRT has lowered the hurdle so much that peop

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Kevin Kofler
Stefan Schulze Frielinghaus wrote: > However, in the meantime I stopped reporting crashes via ABRT because I > think it raises the load for a package maintainer to high while the > report should go directly to upstream. Bothering the maintainer first > instead of upstream is not the right thing to

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Laurent Rineau
Le samedi 06 février 2010 18:03:23, Karel Klic a écrit : > Christoph Wickert wrote: > > What's wrong with ABRT? ALl the backtraces I get are unusable again. If > > Thunar crashes, not even Thunar-debuginfo gets installed. > > There is a flaw in ABRT 1.0.4, which allows to submit incomplete > backt

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Laurent Rineau
Le samedi 06 février 2010 15:53:03, Stefan Schulze Frielinghaus a écrit : > On Sa, 2010-02-06 at 14:08 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > [...] > > > I'm happy about every detailed backtrace I get, but I would be even more > > happy if users contributed a tiny bit more and added comments to their >

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Karel Klic
Christoph Wickert wrote: > What's wrong with ABRT? ALl the backtraces I get are unusable again. If > Thunar crashes, not even Thunar-debuginfo gets installed. There is a flaw in ABRT 1.0.4, which allows to submit incomplete backtraces. It got into the source code during the GUI rewrite. There is

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Feb 06, 2010 at 12:23:31PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > However, I went one step further: I removed ABRT from my systems, not > > because of issues I would have with it as a Fedora package maintainer, > > but because of usability issues I am having with it on the u

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Stefan Schulze Frielinghaus
On Sa, 2010-02-06 at 14:08 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: [...] > I'm happy about every detailed backtrace I get, but I would be even more > happy if users contributed a tiny bit more and added comments to their > tickets and responded to NEEDINFO queries and gave feedback on Test > Updates. ABRT

Re: Packaging Committee Meeting Summary (2010-02-03)

2010-02-06 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Feb 06, 2010 at 12:14:22AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > By the way, the whole concept of this kind of macros has been frowned upon > and FESCo already recommended that the MinGW packagers simply paste their > debuginfo logic directly into the specfiles instead of using this kind of > ma

rawhide report: 20100206 changes

2010-02-06 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sat Feb 6 08:15:09 UTC 2010 Broken deps for i386 -- PySolFC-cardsets-1.1-5.2.noarch requires PySolFC = 0:1.1 PySolFC-music-4.40-5.noarch requires PySolFC = 0:1.1 blahtexml-0.6-5.fc12.i686 requires l

Re: Packaging Committee Meeting Summary (2010-02-03)

2010-02-06 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Sam 6 février 2010 00:14, Kevin Kofler a écrit : > By the way, the whole concept of this kind of macros has been frowned upon > and FESCo already recommended that the MinGW packagers simply paste their > debuginfo logic directly into the specfiles instead of using this kind of > macros. I gu

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 10:53:14 +, Leigh wrote: > IMO ABRT isn't that useful as a lot of the reports don't include steps > to reproduce (I just close the bugs after a month if they don't respond > to the "needinfo" request). > I believe ABRT shouldn't file a bug report unless it is filled in > pr

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Kevin Kofler
Ralf Corsepius wrote: > However, I went one step further: I removed ABRT from my systems, not > because of issues I would have with it as a Fedora package maintainer, > but because of usability issues I am having with it on the user-side and > because of other issues I am having with it as sys-admi

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Leigh Scott
IMO ABRT isn't that useful as a lot of the reports don't include steps to reproduce (I just close the bugs after a month if they don't respond to the "needinfo" request). I believe ABRT shouldn't file a bug report unless it is filled in properly. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.or

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Samstag, den 06.02.2010, 10:51 +0100 schrieb Michael Schwendt: > On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:46:54 +0100, Christoph wrote: > > > What's wrong with ABRT? ALl the backtraces I get are unusable again. If > > Thunar crashes, not even Thunar-debuginfo gets installed. > > Which kernel release? > Perhaps

Re: ABRT unusable again

2010-02-06 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:46:54 +0100, Christoph wrote: > What's wrong with ABRT? ALl the backtraces I get are unusable again. If > Thunar crashes, not even Thunar-debuginfo gets installed. > > abrt 1.0 worked here, then came 1.0.2 which was broken. 1.0.3 was > working again, but got superseded be

Re: Retiring gnome-applet-netspeed

2010-02-06 Thread Julian Sikorski
W dniu 04.02.2010 19:41, Erik van Pienbroek pisze: > Op woensdag 03-02-2010 om 19:33 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Julian > Sikorski: >> Hello, >> >> today I have decided to retire gnome-applet-netspeed. The upstream >> repository has not seen a single commit which is not a translation in >> ages,