Re: Gecko 17 as the base for B2G v1

2012-08-02 Thread Gijs Kruitbosch
On 02/08/2012 06:32 AM, Alex Keybl wrote: Can you clarify this? It sounds like changes would land on aurora *first*, and then be forward-ported to mozilla-central. Which, IMO, goes against the basic principles of how our branches work. Only in the very rare instance where B2G v2 (Gecko change

Re: Gecko 17 as the base for B2G v1

2012-08-02 Thread Asa Dotzler
On 8/2/2012 12:07 AM, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote: Which brings me to another question: how long do you expect to keep B2G on Gecko 17? (eg. will v2 be off 17 or off the next ESR or off something else still?) Fragmentation on eg. Android is well-documented, what's the plan in that department? Fragme

Re: Gecko 17 as the base for B2G v1

2012-08-02 Thread Mark Banner
On 01/08/2012 22:47, Alex Keybl wrote: On 10/7, we'll similarly move active B2G v1 platform development to mozilla-beta, and on 11/19 work will move to the mozilla-esr17 branch. A notice referencing this dev.platform post will be sent to the enterprise list shortly for comment, as some of the ESR

B2G update expectations (was: Re: Gecko 17 as the base for B2G v1)

2012-08-02 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Asa Dotzler wrote: > On 8/2/2012 12:07 AM, Gijs Kruitbosch wrote: > >> Which brings me to another question: how long do you expect to keep B2G >> on Gecko 17? (eg. will v2 be off 17 or off the next ESR or off something >> else still?) Fragmentation on eg. Android i

Re: PGO and Windows

2012-08-02 Thread Jean-Marc Desperrier
Zack Weinberg a écrit : Does MS have any plan to support the x32 memory model? It needs kernel as well as compiler support. Could a shim layer possibly bring x32 to a x64 process under Windows ? Or else have most of the code handle memory as "offset inside a bucket", and reduce most pointer

"Touch" or "Tablet"?

2012-08-02 Thread Gervase Markham
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2012/07/12/ie10-user-agent-string-update.aspx IE10 has introduced the Touch token to the UA string, which overlaps in intent with our Tablet token. Dao suggests it would be nice to get cross-browser consistency here. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=

HTTP-ON-EXAMINE-MERGED-RESPONSE

2012-08-02 Thread Jan Honza Odvarko
According to the MDN here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Observer_Notifications#HTTP_requests HTTP-ON-EXAMINE-MERGED-RESPONSE is: called *instead* of http-on-examine-response when a response will be read partially from cache, and partially from the network (HTTP 206 or 304 response). Headers ar

Re: "Touch" or "Tablet"?

2012-08-02 Thread Mike Hommey
On Thu, Aug 02, 2012 at 02:32:30PM +0100, Gervase Markham wrote: > http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2012/07/12/ie10-user-agent-string-update.aspx > > IE10 has introduced the Touch token to the UA string, which overlaps in > intent with our Tablet token. > > Dao suggests it would be nice to get

Re: "Touch" or "Tablet"?

2012-08-02 Thread Lawrence Mandel
> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2012/07/12/ie10-user-agent-string-update.aspx > > IE10 has introduced the Touch token to the UA string, which overlaps > in > intent with our Tablet token. > > Dao suggests it would be nice to get cross-browser consistency here. > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/

Re: "Touch" or "Tablet"?

2012-08-02 Thread Jason Smith
On Thursday, August 2, 2012 7:09:43 AM UTC-7, Lawrence Mandel wrote: > > http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2012/07/12/ie10-user-agent-string-update.aspx > > > > > > IE10 has introduced the Touch token to the UA string, which overlaps > > > in > > > intent with our Tablet token. > > > > > >

Re: Switching nsnull to nullptr

2012-08-02 Thread Scott Johnson
On 07/28/2012 05:19 PM, thus spoke Jonas Sicking: > When are we doing PRUint32? ;-) +1! ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform

Re: Disabling tests

2012-08-02 Thread Scott Johnson
Maybe we should take a different approach to the problem... Have an all-developer "fix orange tests" day where developers work ONLY on fixing random oranges (maybe once you've successfully fixed 1 or 2 random oranges, you can go back to your other work?) Not meant as a criticism, but rather jus

Re: "Touch" or "Tablet"?

2012-08-02 Thread Mark Finkle
On 08/02/2012 09:32 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: > http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2012/07/12/ie10-user-agent-string-update.aspx > > IE10 has introduced the Touch token to the UA string, which overlaps in > intent with our Tablet token. > > Dao suggests it would be nice to get cross-browser cons

Re: "Touch" or "Tablet"?

2012-08-02 Thread Marcio Galli
I want to just kick a parenthesis here. This thread called my attention because yesterday I just went through the passage "Kinect’s remarkable gestural interface, for example, makes clear that Microsoft no longer insists its customers master multimedia, multiplayer complexity. Microsoft instead as

Re: "Touch" or "Tablet"?

2012-08-02 Thread wjohnston2000
On Thursday, August 2, 2012 6:32:30 AM UTC-7, Gervase Markham wrote: > http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2012/07/12/ie10-user-agent-string-update.aspx > > IE10 has introduced the Touch token to the UA string, which overlaps in > intent with our Tablet token. > > Dao suggests it would be nice to

Re: Gecko 17 as the base for B2G v1

2012-08-02 Thread Jonathan Griffin
For a discussion of current B2G test automation status and future plans, see this blog post: http://jagriffin.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/mozilla-a-team-b2g-test-automation-update/ Jonathan On 8/1/2012 9:30 PM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: On 8/1/12 5:47 PM, Alex Keybl wrote: any desktop/mobile change

Re: "Touch" or "Tablet"?

2012-08-02 Thread Marcio Galli
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:54 PM, wrote: > On Thursday, August 2, 2012 6:32:30 AM UTC-7, Gervase Markham wrote: >> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2012/07/12/ie10-user-agent-string-update.aspx >> >> IE10 has introduced the Touch token to the UA string, which overlaps in >> intent with our Table

Re: HTTP-ON-EXAMINE-MERGED-RESPONSE

2012-08-02 Thread Honza Bambas
On 8/2/2012 3:19 PM, Jan Honza Odvarko wrote: According to the MDN here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Observer_Notifications#HTTP_requests HTTP-ON-EXAMINE-MERGED-RESPONSE is: called *instead* of http-on-examine-response when a response will be read partially from cache, and partially from th

Re: "Touch" or "Tablet"?

2012-08-02 Thread Justin Dolske
On 8/2/12 8:59 AM, Mark Finkle wrote: 1. Let's not chase every browser's UA change. UAs _suck_ and I'd rather leave ours alone now that we fought through the debate. <3 UA changes just seem to be enormous time sinks relative to their value. I'd also prefer to see us changing it less, with th

XULRunner builds on Mac and Windows are currently broken

2012-08-02 Thread Ben Hearsum
Hi all, For the past couple of weeks these builds have been failing. Because they don't show up TBPL, there is little visibility into them, but these *are* shipping products and need to be fixed: Mac fails to successfully run configure: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779907 Windows f

Re: Gecko 17 as the base for B2G v1

2012-08-02 Thread Justin Dolske
On 8/1/12 2:47 PM, Alex Keybl wrote: ... and on 11/19 work will move to the mozilla-esr17 branch. I don't really understand this, perhaps I am missing something? ESR and a v1.0 product seem inherently at odds. EG, I would assume that B2G will be making substantial and even high-risk changes r

Re: Gecko 17 as the base for B2G v1

2012-08-02 Thread Boris Zbarsky
On 8/2/12 1:44 AM, Andreas Gal wrote: Reporting of the results and integration is very lacking, and until those pieces fall into place (e.g. try integration), the developer experience is going to suck a lot if we enforce the rule below (backout). That's the concern, yes. Basically, if we're

Re: Gecko 17 as the base for B2G v1

2012-08-02 Thread akeybl
The ESR branch's purpose previously was to support enterprise deployments. Now that we are supporting both desktop deployments and B2G v1 on that branch, security/stability changes will not be the only fixes taken. There may be B2G-specific changes and minor cross-platform changes in support of

Re: Gecko 17 as the base for B2G v1

2012-08-02 Thread akeybl
Your expectation that we'll still be taking major cross-platform changes to Gecko that late in the 17 cycle does not line up with the planning being done in the B2G dev team. If at any point it becomes clear that we need to pull B2G v1's Gecko off the trains for the sake of other products' qualI

Re: "Touch" or "Tablet"?

2012-08-02 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Gervase Markham wrote: > http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2012/07/12/ie10-user-agent-string-update.aspx > > IE10 has introduced the Touch token to the UA string, which overlaps in > intent with our Tablet token. Opera and, IIRC, the RIM PlayBook browser say "Tabl

View port meta tag

2012-08-02 Thread Arthur Stolyar
Hi, all. I just tested view port meta tag on various devices and browsers. In chrome, opera and default browser for Android (4 at Galaxy Nexus) and on Blackberry 10 webkit all is good, when we pass in content attribute "width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0, user-scalable=no" both browsers scales

MDN Kuma wiki launch Friday at 10 AM PDT

2012-08-02 Thread Sheppy
That's right! We're finally ready to throw the switch! Tomorrow (that is, Friday, August 3, 2012) we intend to switch from the current MindTouch-based wiki to our new Kuma platform for the Mozilla Developer Network wiki. The changeover should happen at about 10:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time. At t

Re: Disabling tests

2012-08-02 Thread Philip Chee
On Thu, 02 Aug 2012 10:22:43 -0500, Scott Johnson wrote: > Maybe we should take a different approach to the problem... > > Have an all-developer "fix orange tests" day where developers work ONLY > on fixing random oranges (maybe once you've successfully fixed 1 or 2 > random oranges, you can go

Re: Disabling tests

2012-08-02 Thread Ed Morley
On Friday, 3 August 2012 02:30:03 UTC+1, Philip Chee wrote: > If it's random, how do you know if you've actually fixed it without > having to waste your time watching the tree for a week? http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/orangefactor/ ___ dev-platform mail

Re: MDN Kuma wiki launch Friday at 10 AM PDT

2012-08-02 Thread Benoit Jacob
Hi, The #1 problem for many people with the current MDN wiki was that it didn't offer mediawiki-compatible markup editing. It would be great to be able to use right away one's familiarity with mediawiki markup (which is what most people know), and of course being able to copy and paste contents to