Hey,
Before requesting something, I suggest you do a quick search to see if
such things already exist. Just a couple alternatives:
http://tasktools.org/projects/libvitapi.html
https://code.google.com/p/termbox/
Personally I think TUI is useless in this day and age. Even the most
unsupported opera
ace.
Regards,
Lee
P.S. Thorsten you are a great guesser.
2014-01-30 Thorsten Glaser :
> Lee Fallat dixit:
>
>>editor. I think some can guess where I'm coming from...
>
> Message-ID:
>
>
>
Rio from plan 9 is like this, more or less. :) Check it out.
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Dimitris Zervas wrote:
>> That’s where the suckless solution should begin, by having reusable mod‐
>> ules. For example there was the idea on the IRC channel to have a sepa‐
>> rate GUI process handli
Hello,
Anyone using tabbed as their primary window manager?
If so, do you tab your tabs?
How far does the rabbit hole go?
Regards,
Lee
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Anselm R Garbe wrote:
> On 17 February 2014 20:26, Calvin Morrison wrote:
>> dwm has extremely limited stacking which is le
Hey,
As a new Python programmer, there are only a few things that have so
far bothered me:
* Python 2-3 transition (I ended up learning 2 "by accident", but
easily learned 3 as they are quite similar)
* Packaging/Module system (Maybe just because I haven't had enough
experience with it...)
* Pyth
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Christoph Lohmann <2...@r-36.net> wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 21:14:54 +0200 Calvin Morrison
> wrote:
>> A suckless shell in my mind would be one closer to Python with baked
>> in support for execution and piping
>
> Yes, Python with less batterie
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:56 PM, FRIGN wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:47:28 -0400
> Lee Fallat wrote:
>
>> I third this- IPython supports doing things like ls and cd in its
>> shell, and to execute anything else using /bin/sh, just do ! at the
>> beginning (so you can
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Nick wrote:
> Esteemed comrades,
>
> I remember reading ages ago about how graphical programs launched
> from Plan9's terminal thing (/editor/whatever) replace the window
> it's in. I would really love a patch for st to do the same. So I
> could type 'mupdf mything
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Anthony J. Bentley wrote:
> Nick writes:
>> Quoth Dimitris Papastamos:
>> > It is simple to understand. MIT/X does not require a Ph.D in Law.
>>
>> That's not entirely true, really. MIT/X may be very short itself,
>> but it is part of a legal system that is inhera
Just a quick question that is somewhat related: will ubase compile on
the BSDs, and possibly Plan 9 (using APE) ?...
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:51 AM, FRIGN wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Jun 2014 11:46:18 -0400
> Nick wrote:
>
>> Umm. In what way is the trailing comma an error? Leaving trailing
>> commas in
Hello suckless fans,
This may not be an alternative to VIM, but it is inspired by its
ancestor vi, and other editors like ed, sam, and acme. It is a
graphical text editor. The main reason why I choose graphical is
because TUIs are just a hack of GUIs. Seriously, look at the
screenshots posted at t
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Charlie Kester wrote:
> On Wed 02 Jul 2014 at 04:49:23 PDT FRIGN wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yes, highlighting comments makes sense, as even the article suggests,
>> but this is not a central issue if you know how to encapsulate your
>> comments:
>>
>> /*
>> (...)
>> (...)
>>
On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Ryan O’Hara wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Lee Fallat wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Charlie Kester
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed 02 Jul 2014 at 04:49:23 PDT FRIGN wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
I was actually going to ask about this too but held back; I'm assuming
that this patch will never be merged and people will only see that if
they apply this patch...
What I was going to say:
> A little off-topic here, but why was there a need to put:
> +© 2014 Google Inc.
> In the licence?...(just
Hey,
Does anyone know of a graphics library that supports a text and menu
widget, simple layout system and is easily portable to any OS? I was
thinking of maybe just creating something like this myself because
it's so specific, but I'd like to see if there's anything like that
around. The closest
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Calvin Morrison wrote:
> On 7 July 2014 16:25, Lee Fallat wrote:
>> Hey,
>>
>> Does anyone know of a graphics library that supports a text and menu
>> widget, simple layout system and is easily portable to any OS? I was
>> thinking
Ah, the library I was thinking of was libsl. I just looked at the
source and it's almost *perfect*. It provides the right amount of
abstraction I want and basic drawing functions. All that I need is a
text widget implemented. A menu lookk pretty simple to cook up and a
text widget shouldn't be too
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Alex-P. Natsios wrote:
> All usable GUI toolkits suck.
>
> However if you want broad portability and a sane toolkit your best bet
> would be the Enlightenment Foundation Libraries (EFL).
>
> The EFL are written in C and focus in both performance and portability
> al
Hey,
Any particularly good reason why certain names are missing vowels and
consonants arbitrarily? For example, Fnt vs Font, Drw vs Draw and Cur
vs Cursor. Last I checked typing 1 more letter wasn't a big deal. The
end result is saving 3 to 1 keystrokes all over the place. If we want
to get mathem
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Carlos Torres wrote:
> Yo,
>
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Lee Fallat wrote:
>> AFAIK no graphical official suckless programs
>> use libsl yet...)
>>
> the way you use libsl is a bit un-orthodox. you basically check it
> out
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Eric Pruitt wrote:
> I'm attempting to write a patch for dwm that uses clock_gettime(3), but
> I cannot figure out how to get librt properly linked to the build.
>
> In config.mk, I changed the LIBS variable:
>
> -LIBS = -L${X11LIB} -lX11 ${XINERAMALIBS}
>
True neovim over here ;)
Honestly though at least the implementation is a 100x cleaner.
I'm not a vi/m user anymore, nor tui fan, but keep up the work guys.
At least people will use software that sucks less.
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Dimitris Zervas wrote:
> Hello guys,
>
> I just wanted your opinion in implementing a feature inside the code
> or calling it via sh.
> Which are the advantages for calling a script?
> Isn't it performance killer?
>
In my editor, calling programs via sh has been
I'm with koneu on this one- why make it human readable?
I don't think you need to store the height either- just the width.
Then just read until EOF and the height will be implicit.
Honestly I'm surprised the header is just not [width] and nothing
else. Sure, if the file ever gets lost in deletion
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:33 AM, FRIGN wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:16:17 -0400
> Lee Fallat wrote:
>
>> I'm with koneu on this one- why make it human readable?
>>
>> I don't think you need to store the height either- just the width.
>> Then
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Lee Fallat wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:33 AM, FRIGN wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 10:16:17 -0400
>> Lee Fallat wrote:
>>> Honestly I'm surprised the header is just not [width] and nothing
>>> else. Sure, if the
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Markus Teich
wrote:
> Lee Fallat wrote:
>> fseek(filehandle, 0, SEEK_END);
>> height = (ftell(filehandle) / RGBA_CHANNEL_SIZE) / width;
>>
>> Then you allocate your buffer.
>
> Heyho Lee,
>
> This needs FILE* instead of
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Markus Teich
wrote:
> FRIGN wrote:
>> Or give a hint on the format:
>>
>> img16widhei8rgba
>
> Heyho,
>
> in this case we could also just include the whole specification as magic
> string,
> then it should be comprehensible for everyone ever stumbling upon such a
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:45 AM, FRIGN wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 17:38:21 +0200
> Markus Teich wrote:
>
>> I don't think floats will help our cause at all. This would just use more
>> space
>> (at least I haven't seen a usable 8bit floating point specification yet) and
>> we
>> would probab
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 1:15 PM, FRIGN wrote:
> Can't somebody just write this damn thing in C already? :P
>
Have we established the standard yet? Are we using SDL or something
similar for the viewer?
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 2:47 PM, FRIGN wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 14:27:45 -0400
> Charlie Murphy wrote:
>
>> * imgRGBA (from Norman Koehring's script)
>> * imageRGBA (exactly 10 bytes)
>> * img16widhei8rgba (doesn't make sense for ASCII header)
>> * imagefile (doesn't hint about file contents)
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Truls Becken wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Charlie Murphy wrote:
>
>> Interesting. How could a header change the compression so much?
>
> How about putting the widthxheight in the file name and having RGBA
> data only inside? Would that result in the
The Xft patch should be fairly straight forward to port, as it only
touches the font functions. I'd do it but I have no time right now.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Eric Pruitt wrote:
> I'm looking for a Pango or Xft and, ideally, a compatible systray patch
> that will work with dwm 6.1 / the
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Henrique Lengler
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm not familiar with st code, so i wanna know if have how i change st
> colors? Not just selecting one in the config.h file but change
> how this color looks. E.g Point black color to some RGB hexcode like
> people do with urxvt,
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 12:55 PM, FRIGN wrote:
>
> ...
>
> Bytes Description
> 9 "imagefile"
> 4 32-bit BE - width
> 4 32-bit BE - height
> [] RGBA
>
> ...
>
> FRIGN
Why was the "specification in the header" idea ditched? Just curious.
I think the current format is quite
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Dimitris Papastamos wrote:
>> I want to code a text editor that is suckless and actually matters. If your
>> implementation is better, we better code for your project.
>
> FWIW, the only reason I liked sandy was because it was not yet another
> vi clone.
>
> A nic
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Dimitris Papastamos wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 06:02:19PM -0400, Lee Fallat wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Dimitris Papastamos wrote:
>> >> I want to code a text editor that is suckless and actually matters. If
>>
Hey,
Good job guys. I just read the site and both your write-ups and I've
got to say this seems very appealing to me. I love how the software is
not reliant on vt100 terminal emulation or huge libraries. Your FIFO
approach seems great as well.
Keep up the good work. Looking forward to release 0.0
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Nick wrote:
> The sort of dwm / X client I'm imagining would have a separate
> program for contact list, and for each "conversation" (one window
> split into input box and output). The contact list could just spawn
> the conversation windows, or they could be spawn
Hey,
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Ralph Eastwood wrote:
>
> Here are my uses (if your uses are significantly different or if I
> have missed something, please reply!):
>
> Browsing
> - for software (github, sourceforge, etc.)
> - for news
> - random humour
> - academic journals/articles
>
>
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Josh Lawrence wrote:
> Hello list,
>
Hey!
>
> So for those of you that participate in the suckless community in some
> way: What do you run on your computer, and why?
>
I used Debian stable for a long time because obviously it provided
stability in an environment
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 4:14 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote:
> Which of these aren't available on OpenBSD in your opinion?
>
I think OpenBSD has most of what I listed, but lacks hardware support.
Using a computer's CPU to its full extent is nice too. I'm usually
running apache with at least 10 vir
On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 4:16 AM, Quentin Rameau wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I noticed that ls didn't really behaved as stated by POSIX so I worked
> a little on that. Here are four patches, the second one introduce big
> changes, so I'll be glad if you could review it.
> Thanks!
Hey,
Just a question - hav
The UNIX Hater's Handbook. A great perspective on UNIX.
Git (and other CVSs) are inherently decentralized. Don't use a service
like Github if you want a decentralized repository. Like someone else
was saying, torrenting involves people to seed, and when they don't
the torrent dies (in our case, a repository). This isn't what anyone
wants...
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 8:26 AM, 7heo <7...@mail.com> wrote:
> I don't get how that is a problem. Versions don't have a 1:1 mapping to any
> mathematical function taking SLOCs as input, do they?
No, but some software has a 1:1 mapping with a date and its version.
I propose a new suckless version
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Aditya Goturu wrote:
> Why do we need to "appear busy". If people want to use better
> software, they will. We don't need to "appear busy"
>
It was a joke. This entire thread is a joke.
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Matthew Wesley wrote:
>
> Added Google to the LICENSE to the copyright list to meet our legal
> requirements.
> ---
> LICENSE | 1 +
> st.c| 6 +++---
> 2 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/LICENSE b/LICENSE
> index 1be82da..69ede9
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 11:17 PM, Sylvain BERTRAND
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For my personnal use, I needed a small http server. All "mini" http servers
> out
> there I had a look were, IMHO, bloaty (SDK included).
>
> lnanohttp is really small (including dependencies and SDK), straight on linux
> kerne
On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Marc Collin wrote:
> Hi.
> Recently a user from suckless told me that bash sucks, but before I
> could ask why he went offline.
> I tried looking at suckless.org page about software that sucks, but
> couldn't find anything about bash.
> I can imagine why it sucks
On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Greg Reagle wrote:
> On 04/23/2016 09:38 AM, Kamil Cholewiński wrote:
>>
>> I don't like rc since there are two incompatible implementations, one is
>> the real thing and the other is actually usable for interactive use.
>
>
> I like Plan 9's rc a lot, for scriptin
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 11:50 PM, Ben Woolley wrote:
>
> We now have very good automation tools that are not shells, like Python and
> Lua, so wouldn't it make sense to take a second look at shells that are more
> specific to command interpretation?
>
This looks fun to talk about.
I think any
I don't know if it's possible, but a suckless issue tracker would be a god-send.
On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Silvan Jegen wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 01, 2017 at 08:40:34AM -0400, Carlos Torres wrote:
>> > On Aug 30, 2017, at 2:07 PM, Silvan Jegen wrote:
>> >
>> > * Wayland dwm prototype?
>> > *
HTML renderers are vast and somewhat easy to code, depending how far
you want to go.
After seeing that css4.pub website, it has opened my eyes: why are we
doing Markdown at all?
If we stick to using tags like header, article, main, div, p,
ul/ol/li, and maybe a few others, what more do we really
Hey, I have implemented Xft support into dwm 6.0 and I'd like to ask, how
could I submit my patch for reviewing to you guys (if you even review)?
Well I'm not sure how to put everything into one patch file, but here they
are.
dwm-6.0-xft.patch
Description: Binary data
dwm-6.0-xft-config-mk.patch
Description: Binary data
Alright, sorry for all the confusion. Here is the unified patch! Be sure to
have dejavu font installed to experience the utf8ness ; )
dwm-6.0-xft.patch
Description: Binary data
Would it just be better if I pushed my changes to the wiki?
I have been recently using dwm with two screens, and it doesn't allow me to
start programs on another screen other than the one that is claimed to be
'primary' (which I specified in nvidia-settings). The 'blue bar' follows
what screen my mouse is on, and dmenu starts on the current screen too, but
>
> Xft and Systray would be implemented by a separate program and all the
> fruitless discussions about the visual stuff, would come to an end.
>
This sounds like a wonderful solution, but I can't see how dwm's status bar
can be implemented via something like dzen...Things like the current window
Wow, thank you! I will apply this later tonight and get back to you.
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Martti Kühne wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 04, 2012 at 07:48:16PM -0400, Lee Fallat wrote:
> >I have been recently using dwm with two screens, and it doesn't allow
> >me
I'll gladly test this out on my netbook on different networks. I'll report
back in a weekish : )
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Galos, David
wrote:
> I've written a simple (~500 lines) dhcp client, using the plan9 client
> as reference. It compiles statically to between 8 and 30K depending
> on
I too would love to see a distro with the suckless tools. Imagine how
efficient it would be? The next thing we need is a suckless X replacement,
heh.
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:49 AM, pancake wrote:
> lot of suckless tools exist nowadays.. mostly prefixed by 's'.. like star,
> sdhcp.. i would lov
Yeah, I've been meaning to fix the config.mk error. I'll put up a fix this
weekend, but you should be fine looking at the .rej file and placing the
fix in yourself.
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Ruben Gonzalez Arnau
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Try to change this on config.mk
>
> INCS = -I. -I/usr/includ
It only implements TTF fonts. I think antialias is dependent on fontconfig
or something? My fonts looks antialiased. Try dejavu with a font size of
12, or use mkfontdir and mkfontscale on a ttf font to see what sizes are
'optimal'.
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:16 PM, alphachi wrote:
> After modifie
How did you put the font in config.h? It uses XLFD format (not sure if I
spelt that right...). It will crash if it can't find the font you
specified. My patch really isn't the greatest but is a start. I guess I'll
fix dwm so if it can't find the font it'll load some default one that's
always on a s
ime working
with Xft/X in general.
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote:
> On Sat, 5 May 2012 20:22:57 -0400
> Lee Fallat wrote:w
>
> > fix dwm so if it can't find the font it'll load some default one that's
>
> fixed. Everything falls back t
#x27;s my first time
working with Xft/X in general. Guess that teaches me to do more rigorous
testing before hand, eh?
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Lars L wrote:
> On 30/03, Lee Fallat wrote:
> > Alright, sorry for all the confusion. Here is the unified patch! Be sure
> to
&
Here is the latest xft patch, works with tip, not sure about 6.0. It does
work with the default config file though, so high hopes. : )
Changes:
Changed drawtext, drawsquare, and getcolor to work with XftColors.
Made it convert colors at the beginning to save resources later on
instead of or
5, 2012 at 9:34 PM, David Dufberg Töttrup wrote:
> On May 15 2012, Lee Fallat wrote:
>
>> There is one bug. For some reason, The colors for the font are affected by
>> the previous color 'parsed' by XAllocNamedColor. If someone could check
>> out
>> getcolor(
Just what I've been waiting for. Thanks!
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:41 PM, James Turner wrote:
> XKeycodeToKeysym was deprecated on 2011-10-10 [0]. The included patch
> updates dwm.c to use XkbKeycodeToKeysym instead.
>
> [0]
>
> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/lib/libX11/commit/include/X11?id=f
Nope, sorry David, it didn't work either. The same result occurs, just with
less code : P Damn what a problem!
Huh, interesting...Well, thanks again!
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:34 PM, David Dufberg Töttrup wrote:
> On May 16 2012, Lee Fallat wrote:
>
>> Nope, sorry David, it didn't work either. The same result occurs, just
>> with
>> less code : P Damn what a problem!
>&
012 at 12:08 AM, Lee Fallat wrote:
> Huh, interesting...Well, thanks again!
>
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:34 PM, David Dufberg Töttrup
> wrote:
>
>> On May 16 2012, Lee Fallat wrote:
>>
>>> Nope, sorry David, it didn't work either. The same result
Could you demonstrate how this works via ascii? I won't be in contact with
a compiler for a little bit but this does sound interesting!
Yeah I saw this today as well and looks to be promising, but what's wrong
with ALSA? :)
...ok fine you caught me, everything is wrong with alsa
Hello,
Using the latest st from the git repository, I decided to see how well Vim
and st would play together. After messing around a bit I see that
everything works properly (I was impressed mouse scrolling still worked),
except one tiny thing: the background color of the text in Vim would not
fil
The problem was my TERM variable. Being set to st-256color/rxvt-256color
broke it, but when I set it to screen-256color, everything worked great.
Hello again,
Here's another bug to report for latest st in git (last night's st). Some
box characters appear blurred and a little messed up. In rxvt this behavior
does not happen. I have included example screenshots.
There is a problem with double-width (I think) characters (Chinese) as
well, but
Lohmann <2...@r-36.net> wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 20:29:25 +0100 Lee Fallat
> wrote:
> > Hello again,
> >
> > Here's another bug to report for latest st in git (last night's st). Some
> > box characters appear blurred and a li
Hey suckless fans,
Does anyone know of some lightweight generic diagram software? So far all
I've found are bloated programs that pull in gnome/kde dependencies (for
example dia pulled in gstreamer/vlc, what the heck right?). Basically what
I'm looking for is a program that nicely integrates drawi
Hey,
Although in my opinion this may seem really impratical, some X sessions are
not running window managers of any sort, or the window manager may not
visually provide window title information for kiosk-like machines or other
reasons...Although you have a good point, and it is easy to hide via th
Hello,
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 11:51 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 07:47:18PM +0100, Jente Hidskes wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious, why didn't you opt for the already available XFT patch?
>>
>
> Because it cannot be applied to the current version
> of dwm,
The 6.0 patch can be applied to the 6.1
Hello,
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 11:51 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 07:47:18PM +0100, Jente Hidskes wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious, why didn't you opt for the already available XFT patch?
>>
>
> Because it cannot be applied to the current version
> of dwm,
The 6.0 patch can be applied to the 6.1
Hello,
rc from Plan 9 has been suckless for me.
But suckless is an opinion,
Lee
I think he was aiming for something like werc.
Good job!
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Neo Romantique
wrote:
> Why Shell, and not C?
> Otherwise tool looks interesting.
>
>
> On 12/12/2013 14:57, YpN wrote:
>>
>> Hey dudes,
>>
>> I wrote a shell script using mksh, which generates websites. Y
Hey,
Neat although maybe not so practical. There would be lots of latency
over a remote network, but locally I can see this being ok. rio on
plan 9 serves How could you make it so that you can compress the
out-going video? Just curious!
Regards,
Lee
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