Ok. But this is a behavioral change right? How can a patch help in this case?
Admins always protest the decision in almost every community if it isn't
theirs. Am I suggesting something harmful here? It takes a minute to sign a
release and this improves security. It makes sure that user gets the
On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 07:45:16 +0200 (CEST)
Sagar Acharya wrote:
Dear Sagar,
> Ok. But this is a behavioral change right? How can a patch help in
> this case?
>
> Admins always protest the decision in almost every community if it
> isn't theirs. Am I suggesting something harmful here? It takes a
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:05:01 +0300
Sergey Matveev wrote:
Dear Sergey,
> If we a talking here about checking software integrity, then speed is
> important. Millions of people check the hash of downloaded files -- if
> it is slow, then huge quantity of time/energy is wasted. Less time you
> spent
On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:30:15 +0200
Laslo Hunhold wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:05:01 +0300
> Sergey Matveev wrote:
>
> Dear Sergey,
>
> > If we a talking here about checking software integrity, then speed is
> > important. Millions of people check the hash of downloaded files -- if
> > it is
Greetings!
*** Laslo Hunhold [2021-04-17 16:30]:
>we would save much more energy by banning autohell, Rust, bloated
>electron-apps and Qt.
Well, I can only fully agree with that!
My comment about hash functions performance was only related to
defective idea that slowing them down will help us wit
On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 17:42:50 +0200
Mattias Andrée wrote:
Dear Mattias,
> I've completely ignored Rust. What's the problem with it?
in regard to my argument: It has abysmal compile times and the compiler
is extremely bloated.
In general though, I see multiple issues with it: The crate-system
co
*** Laslo Hunhold [2021-04-17 17:57]:
>in regard to my argument: It has abysmal compile times and the compiler
>is extremely bloated.
Also it has bootstrap problem: officially there is no way to build Rust,
except for downloading some binaries for you platform from the Internet.
LLVM/Clang, GCC --
This self-hosted nonsense is ludicrous. It's understandable for C compilers,
it's an old language that everyone has a compiler for and there are many
implementations, and even if you wrote it in assembly, you will just shift
the problem to the assembler. So there must be one blessed language, and
C
On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 09:05:01AM +0300, Sergey Matveev wrote:
> *** Markus Wichmann [2021-04-14 06:03]:
> >I don't care about the speed of a hash function.
>
> If we a talking here about checking software integrity, then speed is
> important. Millions of people check the hash of downloaded files
*** Hiltjo Posthuma [2021-04-17 19:13]:
>Generating hashes for all dl.suckless tarball files (287 files) takes 0.75
>seconds in total, it is not an issue.
Agreed of course. SHA2 is currently the best tradeoff. The only question
could remain: SHA256 vs SHA512 (that is faster on 64-bit platforms).
*** Mattias Andrée [2021-04-17 18:57]:
>This self-hosted nonsense is ludicrous.
Not agree.
>It's understandable for C compilers
Rust, as far as I heard/remember, was written on OCaml, that itself was
also written on some C -- so nothing prevents its bootstrapping too, unless
its authors thought
On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 20:50:50 +0300
Sergey Matveev wrote:
> *** Mattias Andrée [2021-04-17 18:57]:
> >This self-hosted nonsense is ludicrous.
>
> Not agree.
>
> >It's understandable for C compilers
>
> Rust, as far as I heard/remember, was written on OCaml, that itself was
> also written on
*** Mattias Andrée [2021-04-17 20:08]:
>No one has an OCaml compiler.
Same applies to Rust.
And to Go too, but it is easy bootstrappable with the C compiler, taking
just several minutes on modest hardware. Rust is like a JavaScript: just
download it and run, because it is seems so convenient moder
On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:30:58 +0300
Sergey Matveev wrote:
> *** Mattias Andrée [2021-04-17 20:08]:
> >No one has an OCaml compiler.
>
> Same applies to Rust.
> And to Go too, but it is easy bootstrappable with the C compiler, taking
> just several minutes on modest hardware. Rust is like a Java
On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 20:38:51 +0200
Mattias Andrée wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:30:58 +0300
> Sergey Matveev wrote:
>
> > *** Mattias Andrée [2021-04-17 20:08]:
> > >No one has an OCaml compiler.
> >
> > Same applies to Rust.
> > And to Go too, but it is easy bootstrappable with the C
*** Mattias Andrée [2021-04-17 20:41]:
>you have to publish the last version
>that wasn't self-hosted alongside the self-hosted version,
Exactly! And my critique of Rust is that they have not bothered done
that way, that is just an unacceptable (for me) careless work. Go as
a comparison: Go 1.4 is
*** Sergey Matveev [2021-04-17 20:47]:
>>What is the preferred hash by Greta?
>What is that?
I was told offlist that (seems) you were refering to Greta Thunberg.
I suppose she would blame us all, because we are using cryptographic
hash functions for the things where simpler, cheaper and faster
spe
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