Laslo Hunhold wrote:
> I used to be more open towards "more user-friendliness" a few years ago,
> but realized that if you look at modern users, most of them are
> unwilling to invest time and effort into getting something to work and
> expect too much from others in terms of support and guidance.
> I don’t think it makes sense for the suckless guys to try trimming down that
> bloated mess (Linux kernel).
>
> To be honest I’m wondering if the love they give OpenBSD, as a desktop OS, is
> misplaced. OpenBSD is 22M lines if you include the entirety of the files, and
> 16M counting just t
pon., 12 kwi 2021 o 20:36 Sagar Acharya napisał(a):
>
>
>
> > I don’t think it makes sense for the suckless guys to try trimming down
> > that bloated mess (Linux kernel).
> >
> > To be honest I’m wondering if the love they give OpenBSD, as a desktop OS,
> > is misplaced. OpenBSD is 22M lines i
I too agree with Hiltjo. I don't think suckless is Linux oriented.
At the time of writing that article, I thought Linux and BSD are the only 2
usable kernels. Practically it seems so, but recently I saw microkernel vs
monolithic kernel debate and got interested in seL4. I'm not sure whether it's
> On Apr 11, 2021, at 11:22 PM, Daniel Cegiełka
> wrote:
>
>> Choose an OS which has a small kernel and other minimal software
>> that you need. (OpenBSD is the only one I can see here today)
>
> suckless is strongly Linux-oriented - musl, ubase, smdev, nldev, nlmon
>
> I wonder if it would
On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 08:22:18AM +0200, Daniel Cegiełka wrote:
> > Choose an OS which has a small kernel and other minimal software
> > that you need. (OpenBSD is the only one I can see here today)
>
> suckless is strongly Linux-oriented - musl, ubase, smdev, nldev, nlmon
>
No, there are also
> Choose an OS which has a small kernel and other minimal software
> that you need. (OpenBSD is the only one I can see here today)
suckless is strongly Linux-oriented - musl, ubase, smdev, nldev, nlmon
I wonder if it would make sense to make a little Linux kernel.
Everything that is unnecessary c
>Whats stopping you from doing it? - Hiltjo
Can't do it alone! It's a huge task. I can contribute somewhat. I'm currently
working on a thing which is much more important wrt computer security! But I
gotta do it. Point taken.
Sagar
On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 08:14:08AM +0200, Sagar Acharya wrote:
> >I say that coming from one of the best universities in France; I didn't have
> >very much respect left for the word "scientist" when I left
> Same here. Exactly same! But they for sure are intelligent. One of the key
> things in ca
>I say that coming from one of the best universities in France; I didn't have
>very much respect left for the word "scientist" when I left
Same here. Exactly same! But they for sure are intelligent. One of the key
things in capitalism is getting tamed by the powerful. Majority of these
geniuses
On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 08:14:08AM +0200, Sagar Acharya wrote:
> If suckless wants this to become mainstream philosophy
That's where the fallacy is. I suppose suckless devs aren't naive and simply
know that people aren't the same (dare I say "not equal"), so they simply make
software for themselves
2021-04-09 18:24 GMT, Sagar Acharya :
> It doesn't need to be complex. Few things make enormous impact like choosing
> good font, size of bars, color, connecting icons with programs, good battery
> and datetime displays. A simple 1 line script can run in the background. One
> would just take few im
>interesting article!
Thanks
>I think, the user's turn to try to understand them to the fullest, even
if it means learning a bit of a programming language. - Laslo
Majority of users in this world would never learn a low level programming
language like C. They are incapable.
> The solution in the
On 04/09/21 10:12PM, Hadrien Lacour wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 01:07:01PM -0700, Jeremy wrote:
> > On 04/09/21 09:07PM, Hadrien Lacour wrote:
> > > On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 08:24:35PM +0200, Sagar Acharya wrote:
> > > > I have studied Engineering Physics at IIT Delhi. There, Computer
> > > >
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 12:13:23 -0700
Jeremy wrote:
> On 04/09/21 08:24PM, Sagar Acharya wrote:
> >
> > >I think, the user's turn to try to understand them to the fullest, even
> > if it means learning a bit of a programming language. - Laslo
> > Majority of users in this world would never learn
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 01:07:01PM -0700, Jeremy wrote:
> On 04/09/21 09:07PM, Hadrien Lacour wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 08:24:35PM +0200, Sagar Acharya wrote:
> > > I have studied Engineering Physics at IIT Delhi. There, Computer Science
> > > guys are insane geniuses. They don't bother t
On 04/09/21 09:07PM, Hadrien Lacour wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 08:24:35PM +0200, Sagar Acharya wrote:
> > I have studied Engineering Physics at IIT Delhi. There, Computer Science
> > guys are insane geniuses. They don't bother to set their system up. Very
> > few do. Most use dual boot Ubun
On 04/09/21 08:24PM, Sagar Acharya wrote:
>
> >I think, the user's turn to try to understand them to the fullest, even
> if it means learning a bit of a programming language. - Laslo
> Majority of users in this world would never learn a low level programming
> language like C. They are incapable.
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 02:54:31PM +0200, Sagar Acharya wrote:
> P.S. Shifted completely to dwm this week. Can't even think of anything
> theoretically better than this!
Now, try bspwm :)
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 08:24:35PM +0200, Sagar Acharya wrote:
> I guess this is where I diverge, user centric things always work better and
> have more power.
More features != More power.
> One can always add a few more simple things, keeping minimalism of suckless
> intact. One can create dwmd
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 12:10:54PM -0400, Greg Reagle wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2021, at 11:42, Hadrien Lacour wrote:
> > Where do we stop, though? For me, sh (even with all its braindamage)
>
> Speaking of the brain damage of sh, I highly recommend rc [1] which is
> available
> in 9base [2] and oth
On Fri, Apr 9, 2021, at 11:42, Hadrien Lacour wrote:
> Where do we stop, though? For me, sh (even with all its braindamage)
Speaking of the brain damage of sh, I highly recommend rc [1] which is available
in 9base [2] and other sources like Plan 9 Port.
[1] http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition
I recently wrote this article
https://designman.org/sagaracharya/blog/trusting_no_one
being absolutely unaware about suckless and this was brought to my attention.
Suckless's philosophy is hands down amazing and crucial wrt computer security.
Although I'd like to point out 1 aspect. Why does su
Hello. I am new also to this mailing list, although I have read suckless.org
and cat-v.org for a long time.
I agree with Sagar. Simple software allows for people to use their computers
for longer, which saves on waste, saves money, and is more inclusive of users
who don’t have the latest and gr
On Fri, Apr 09, 2021 at 02:54:31PM +0200, Sagar Acharya wrote:
> I recently wrote this article
>
> https://designman.org/sagaracharya/blog/trusting_no_one
>
> being absolutely unaware about suckless and this was brought to my attention.
>
> Suckless's philosophy is hands down amazing and crucial wr
On 21/04/09 03:18, Laslo Hunhold wrote:
> You can build software with the goal of user-friendliness in mind, but
> this always comes with concessions. As long as you provide consistent
> and easy to understand user-interfaces (APIs, Synopses, etc.), it is, I
> think, the user's turn to try to under
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 14:54:31 +0200 (CEST)
Sagar Acharya wrote:
Dear Sagar,
> I recently wrote this article
>
> https://designman.org/sagaracharya/blog/trusting_no_one
>
> being absolutely unaware about suckless and this was brought to my
> attention.
interesting article!
> Suckless's philoso
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