Michael Hauser dixit:
>the convenience would be that I don't need to memorize 2 separate ways
>of handling windows. As tabs are really just another way of presenting
>windows.
I’m using “nested” tabs a lot. For example, on the 12″ laptop I’m
typing this eMail right now, this is a pine session on
Sylvain BERTRAND dixit:
>Just to let you know, I have a little initramfs project. The init
>process is hardcoded directly on the linux syscalls.
On Linux, syscall numbers, argument number, order and size,
etc. differ by architecture.
bye,
//mirabilos
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Ach, mach doch was du willst, du hast do
“Re: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** [dev] Reasonable Makefiles”.
Honestly!
Markus Wichmann dixit:
>A typical Makefile of mine looks like this:
Ugh, a horrid GNUmakefile… I normally write:
PROG= foo
.include
Or, if the sources are more than just foo.c, and if the manpage
is in section 8
Eckehard Berns dixit:
>I actually use ctrl-alt-del and alt-up from time to time :) But I could
>live without it. Hmm, I actually forgot. Do the BSDs handle ctrl-alt-del
>in any way on x86?
Yes. Not just on x86. It sends SIGUSR1 to pid 1.
bye,
//mirabilos
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> Hi, does anyone sell openbsd sticke
Eckehard Berns dixit:
>Also, would it be worth it to deal with x86 Linux's ctrl-alt-del? It would
>pull in OS specific code, and maybe people don't care for ctrl-alt-del
>on the console, since everybody lives in X anyway.
Hm, isn’t Ctrl-Alt-Backspace+Ctrl-Alt-Del (when not using xdm)
or Ctrl-Alt-
Lee Fallat dixit:
>editor. I think some can guess where I'm coming from...
Message-ID:
^^
Not hard to guess. Go die. Elsewhere. And quiet.
bye,
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> emacs als auch vi zum Kotzen finde (joe rules) und pine
Alexander Huemer dixit:
>> What client do you use for newsgroups?
[…]
>I totally agree. Most Client applications for NNTP suck. Somebody^{(tm)}
>should write a better alternative.
pine rocks, IMHO. My problem is rather that I’ve got no access² to a
working “regular” usenet server any more, only
Rich Felker dixit:
>> >Wouldn't a 16-bit wchar_t be non-standard-conform when using a UTF-8
>> >locale?
>>
>> Nope. UTF-8 is just an encoding for Unicode, and as long as I take
>> care to #define __STDC_ISO_10646__ 29L (and no later date) this
>> is perfectly permissible.
>This is only a poss
Silvan Jegen dixit:
>Wouldn't a 16-bit wchar_t be non-standard-conform when using a UTF-8
>locale?
Nope. UTF-8 is just an encoding for Unicode, and as long as I take
care to #define __STDC_ISO_10646__ 29L (and no later date) this
is perfectly permissible.
(And please do not language-lawyer m
Strake dixit:
>Use wchar.h functions and a sane libc, e.g. musl, which has a pure
>UTF-8 C locale, which ISO C explicitly allows [1].
>
>The 8-bit clarity what POSIX wants [1] seems nonsense to me, as one
>can use byte functions for that, but I may be wrong.
^^
Not always, see
Daniel Bryan dixit:
>I'd like to know what the opinion here is of these functions. I've so
Not using them in this time and age is gross negligence.
Using strcpy, strcat and sprintf is even more; using
strncpy is minor negligence, but _strncat_ is positively
dangerous.
So, yes, by all means, use
Bobby Powers dixit:
>I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Plan 9 C compiler. There seems
Hm, does it support something other than ECOFF output now?
The assembler part is also very foreign…
I’ve also got one more: nwcc (Nils Weller’s C compiler).
bye,
//mirabilos
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Paul Onyschuk dixit:
>(those can be copied from Heirloom or from older version of Groff -
Or my version from AT&T nroff, which got bugfixes in the
else-part of GNU groff specifics. I’ve got them in CVS as
src/share/tmac/ (not /usr/lib/ but /usr/share/ as per the
standard modern-BSD filesystem hie
(Wondering about the topic, no idea why one would want
to use C++ anyway… but… *shrug*)
Sylvain BERTRAND dixit:
>> This is valid question on other hand e.g. base OpenBSD is C++ free for
>> some time AFAIK (after the removal of groff). Idea of minimal set of
Same for MirBSD (removal of GNU groff
Paul Onyschuk dixit:
>With mdocml [1] you get nice HTML output for free, because it
Actually, no output at all, since it’s not a full *roff processor,
and I (have to) use a compatibility leader (between AT&T nroff,
GNU groff with UCB macros, and GNU groff with GNU macros) which
also implements le
Chris Down dixit:
>If masking files with directories is considered "clean", then I don't
>want to live on this planet any more.
>Just don't do it.
Agreed. I don’t put *.htm files into subdirectories at all;
the other MirWebseite setup does it as it’s got some more
hierarchically structured conte
YpN dixit:
>I wrote a shell script using mksh, which generates websites. You need to write
Just for completeness: I’ve written MirWebseite as a non-generic
thing to generate static XHTML websites, too, and even got a second
only slightly related installation (which, ofc, by now deviates quite
a b
Carlos Torres dixit:
>here we go again...
Sure… googlemail user ;)
>should they ban people that use fortune in their signatures too?
You’d be amazed to hear that I have a collection of individual
sig files and select one manually when I don’t want to use the
default one, which I rotate occasion
patrick295767 patrick295767 dixit:
>I think about various possible POSIX and non-POSIX platforms, which
>allow compiling with gcc or g++:
You missed MirBSD, which incidentally is UTF-8 only (with the known
issue that you need to run “script -lns” or GNU screen on the text
console, but for Unicode
Silvan Jegen dixit:
>That sounds reasonable but requires that we convert UTF-8 to UTF-32
>which should not be strictly necessary when we only map one UTF-8 value
>to another.
Arrgh, no. UTF-8 and UTF-32/UCS-4 are encodings of numerical Unicode
codepoints. When working with text documents, you alw
Silvan Jegen dixit:
>If I understand correctly you would use mmap to allocate a sparse
>memory area into which we could then directly index (either using
>UTF-8 or UTF-32 indices), right? Since mmap needs a file descriptor
I think that wouldn’t help much.
>Sadly, I do not follow. I recognize tha
Strake dixit:
>On 26/11/2013, Silvan Jegen wrote:
>> If you you would rather not take this version, what approach would
>> you take for the character set mapping when using UTF-8?
>
>On Linux, one can easily make a sparse array with 1-page granularity
>with mmap, and so simply use a (wchar_t [])
Roberto E. Vargas Caballero dixit:
>On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 01:03:47PM +0000, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
>> Roberto E. Vargas Caballero dixit:
>>
>> >long, because long is at least 32 bits for sure, but int can be only 16
>>
>> On POSIX, int is a minimum 32 bit d
Roberto E. Vargas Caballero dixit:
>long, because long is at least 32 bits for sure, but int can be only 16
On POSIX, int is a minimum 32 bit data type.
bye,
//mirabilos
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mksh auf jedem System zu installieren.“
-- XTaran auf
hiro dixit:
>tldr
>
>On 11/6/13, Alexander Huemer wrote:
[…]
Can we please ban Googlemail from this mailing list?
(Funnily enough, recently I’ve started looking at From
headers more, and, sure enough, Googlemail users are
the biggest average idiots on other mailing lists as
well.)
bye,
//mirab
it even worse.
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff dixit:
>Thorsten Glaser said:
>> (The frontend needs not be graphical, of course.)
>
>Why?
Erm… because graphical stuff sucks? Because I run all my stuff
in GNU screen (sure, in an uxterm, but that’s just to get the
font and Unicode support with en
ludovic samek dixit:
>encrypted actually? Do you know some dev lists where they use
>encryption?
I’m carrying the Secure List Server patch for mailman on the
installations we use at work. (Reminds me to get the time to
update and polish this and upload to Debian proper…)
http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/ma
Chris Down dixit:
>On 2013-11-02 11:13, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote:
>> Gmail's webmail doesn't allow to tune quoting & attribution in a
>> sensible manner, so repeating this every time doesn't make much sense.
Meh, until it’s beaten into peoples’ brains… ;-)
>Surely the answer to that is to not u
patrick295767 patrick295767 dixit:
>Security is not perfect. A bouncer is fine, or helps.
You just want to flame, I’d guess.
>The idea of protecting your data makes senses. Security is an
>important topic.
Says the Googlemail user. Oh, the irony.
>2013/11/2 Ryan O�Hara :
[…]
>> On 11/1/13, pat
koneu dixit:
>Oh please tell me a good alternative free and reliable mail service.
sendmail? postfix? There’s a lot of stuff around, and you can
just run them for free on your own server. Easy to set up, too.
(This is really stupid. Besides, you could just search around
for unix shell accounts o
hiro dixit:
>the format of ini files are a problem for you??
Multiple question marks, he said, are a sure sign of a diseased mind.
(Or something like that. It’s been some time since I last read him.)
>On 10/23/13, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Oh great, TOFU! Please read and honou
Sylvain BERTRAND dixit:
>> -Mdist normalises all uid:gid to 0:0 (and some other things that
>Strange, I though this feature was available with basic CPIO utils.
No, it’s not, it’s implementation-specific extension.
But then, paxtar is a BSD-licenced and pretty compact implementation,
so it shou
Sylvain BERTRAND dixit:
>and use CPIO text description to avoid being root to create the
You can use paxmirabilis/MirCPIO for that (it’s packaged as “pax”
in Debian wheezy and newer, in case you wonder). Example:
find * | sort | paxcpio -oC512 -Hsv4cpio -Mdist | xz -2e >initrd
-Mdist normalises
Mihail Zenkov dixit:
>It not mention good xml alternative: TOML
Thank gods the time of Windows 3.x *.ini files is long gone.
bye,
//mirabilos
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Beware of ritual lest you forget the meaning behind it.
yeah but it means if you really care about something, don't
ritualise it, or you will lo
Evan Buswell dixit:
>like you're gonna put UTF-8 parsing into cat.
cat is just a sendfile, it’s not doing anything with the content.
On the other hand, for a data exchange format, some measure of
data types is a commodity. JSON is not binary-safe, true, but the
Unix/Plan 9 way doesn’t need it to
Evan Buswell dixit:
>playing with that adds symbolic references and uses binary instead of
>utf-8 strings); RST is better for structured text---though I'm not
Oh yeah, let’s all do binary now instead of passing around plaintext!
Wait. No!
Pointing out Unix/Plan 9 way works just fine,
//mirabilo
Szymon Olewniczak dixit:
>> s/HTML/XML+XSLT/g is quite a revolution.
>But it's something whitch I can use in my application straight away
>without forcing user to change their web browsers.
But XSLT is a joke. Have you *seen* the lengths people go through
to actually *do* anything in it?
It may
Chris Down dixit:
>I don't even know what to say to this...
Must be the full moon. First 20h “liking” kdbus, now this…
bye,
//mirabilos
--
This space for rent.
Szymon Olewniczak dixit:
>Pages writen in XML has readable source
No. Much like sendmail.cf, XML is a binary/object format
and ought to be treated as such.
bye,
//mirabilos
--
Sometimes they [people] care too much: pretty printers [and syntax highligh-
ting, d.A.] mechanically produce pretty ou
Truls Becken dixit:
>bc dc
bc can be done on top of dc; BSD does that (the dc uses OpenSSL
for arbitrary-precision numbers).
>killall
I object, killall should never, ever, be used. (Try it on a
Solaris system, for example.)
>On 2013-10-18, at 12:29, sin wrote:
>> make: Do we really need this
Alex Pilon dixit:
>I know the trick. I used base64 for that, not uuencode. Don't they
>both have the same overhead, other than uuencode's header?
Yes but uuencode is more portable… e.g. the Linux “base64” tool is
rarely installed anywhere and is extremely picky about the formatting
of its input;
Alex Pilon dixit:
>Don't od's and hexdump's functionality overlap?
Yes, they (and hd) are normally one binary.
>Do we still really need uuencode and uudecode?
Yes!
I often use them, in combination with GNU screen, to
copy/paste files(!) from one tab to the other, when
using other methods (such
Strake dixit:
>> “HTTP/1.1 200 Schön”?!
>
>What, is this improper usage?
No, just funny.
>Yes, sorry, I missed that it bound to IPv4 alone by default. Should
>work now. Thanks.
Nope – maybe it’s firewalled (looks like pf block drop)?
tg@blau:~ $ nc -v6 starchlinux.org 80
nc: connect to starchl
Strake dixit:
>http://starchlinux.org/
“HTTP/1.1 200 Schön”?!
One rather important thing: starchlinux.org has got an RR
but the httpd does not listen on IP, only on Legacy IP. Please
fix that, because otherwise, a good part of the ’net can’t ac‐
cess your site.
bye,
//mirabilos
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[ Natur
Raphaël Proust dixit:
>On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Alexander S. wrote:
>> Uh, cannot this be achieved by piping output to tac?
>
>At which points someone asks why is there a sorted order at all in ls
>output… cannot this be achieved by piping output to sort?
Only if you pipe it through rs¹
Roberto E. Vargas Caballero dixit:
>This means that is needed be root to install a new definition,
I was assuming you had control over the system, yes.
>and it sounds strange to me that a normal user cannot add a
>new terminal definition.
There may or may not be a way, but I don’t know it. UTSL
Roberto E. Vargas Caballero dixit:
>After reading your reply I dig more in the problem, and I can see now
>that the problem is not related to the wide character patch. I am using
>OpenBSD now, where there is a binary database of terminfo definitions
>in /usr/share/misc/terminfo, and it has a very
Christoph Lohmann dixit:
>Thanks for the hint, but you didn’t do it right. The geometry string al‐
>lows to specify negative positions too and a negative zero too. Addi‐
Hrm, ok ☹ back to the drawing board, then (unless you’ve got
a hint – I’ve not done any X11 programming previously).
>tiona
Signed-off-by: Thorsten Glaser
---
LICENSE | 1 +
tabbed.1 | 5 +
tabbed.c | 8
3 files changed, 14 insertions(+)
diff --git a/LICENSE b/LICENSE
index add8a53..b8dc9ea 100644
--- a/LICENSE
+++ b/LICENSE
@@ -3,6 +3,7 @@ MIT/X Consortium License
© 2009-2011 Enno Boland
© 2011
sin dixit:
>On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:00:11AM +0000, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
>
>> >if(len+1 > *size && !(*p = realloc(*p, len+1)))
^
>> >eprintf("realloc:");
sin dixit:
> if(!(p = malloc(strlen(d->d_name)+1)))
> eprintf("malloc:");
>- strcpy(p, d->d_name);
>+ snprintf(p, strlen(d->d_name)+1, "%s", d->d_name);
I object. The better fix here is:
+
Anselm R Garbe dixit:
>Are you willing to accept a Makefile/config.mk approach for mksh? This
[…]
>My current approach for all sta.li userland tools is creating a custom
>Makefile/config.mk, simply because the existing Build.sh, autoconf or
>whatever approach sucks.
(jump to tl;dr at the end of t
Bjartur Thorlacius dixit:
> by the censor. In short, ext2/3 directories are linked lists. You can traverse
Are they, still? I thought they had the equivalent of UFS_DIRHASH
nowadays…
bye,
//mirabilos
--
[...] if maybe ext3fs wasn't a better pick, or jfs, or maybe reiserfs, oh but
what about xfs
Kai Hendry dixit:
>And run your C program from systemd? (*duck*)
/me shudders (at the mere thought of “anathema” Poettering software)
Someone actually took my analog clock (written in mksh) and
packaged it for Arsch Linux, with a systemd… whatever they
call initscripts these days… that runs it o
Calvin Morrison dixit:
>Its called unionfs if I recall
No. Go read it again.
>On Jul 25, 2013 9:28 PM, "Thorsten Glaser" wrote:
And stop top-posting and full-quoting.
Read http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren/ (it’s in
German, English and Dutch, so no excuses).
Calvin Morrison dixit:
>I was sick of ls | wc -l being so damned slow on large directories, so
What, besides the printing and sorting, is the slow part anyway?
Is it the VFS API or just the filesystem code?
In the latter case… could workarounds exist? Someone asked this…
http://fenski.pl/2013/07
Chris Down dixit:
>If you really care, any POSIX shell should be able to do this as long
>as you don't hit ARG_MAX:
>
> set -- * && echo "$#"
I think ARG_MAX may not be relevant here… but globbing * usually
sorts, and shells don’t always use the fastest algorithms…
… but OTOH, if you have that
Dixi quod…
>What raw keys does it precisely produce in st?
Oh wait. You expect it to insert from the buffer,
as opposed to do a shell functionality.
Meh. I just middle-click to do that.
You might want to “xmodmap -pke” and look at the
output, as well as toy around with xev.
If you expect the s
Markus Teich dixit:
> I am using the neo2 keyboard layout [0] via "setxkbmap de neo" and noticed,
> the
> Shift+AltGr+ä combo does not work in st.
> Can someone help me debug/fix this?
What raw keys does it precisely produce in st?
$ cat
Then show what's written.
bye,
//mirabilos
--
17:08⎜
Nick dixit:
>What other evil things can tar creators do?
Symlinks with st_nlink ≠ 1 for one ☹ need to fix that
in paxmirabilis (MirCPIO) too.
bye,
//mirabilos
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17:08⎜«Vutral» früher gabs keine packenden smartphones und so
17:08⎜«Vutral» heute gibts frauen die sind facebooksüchtig
17:10⎜«Vutra
Andreas Krennmair dixit:
> from a few years ago that explains in detail how clever compilers really are
> with their optimizations: http://www.fefe.de/source-code-optimization.pdf
“Learn what the compiler does” – did anyone do that for pcc recently?
I’m sure it does _not_ do all those uber-optimi
hiro dixit:
>one more reason to use use proper plan9: bourne shell sucks a lot
>compared to rc.
Well nobody uses bourne shell (that thing with U+0060 for COMSUBs
and ^ instead of | as pipe character) any more.
Welcome to the 21ₛₜ century.
Although I freely admit that POSIX shell also sucks and
Strake dixit:
>miss them. Archiver/compressor integration loses, for it needs a flag
>and code for each compression format.
I’d not use those anyway. I normally compress with:
find foo -type f | sort | cpio -oC512 -Hustar | gzip -n9 >foo.tgz
Failing that, this one’s almost the same:
tar -b 1 -
Strake dixit:
>shift $(dc -e "$OPTIND 1 - p");
*what*?!
shift $(($OPTIND-1)) is POSIX.
bye,
//mirabilos
--
FWIW, I'm quite impressed with mksh interactively. I thought it was much
*much* more bare bones. But it turns out it beats the living hell out of
ksh93 in that respect. I'd even consider
Markus Wichmann dixit:
>One way I also find myself using quite often:
>
>tar xfC filename.tar.gz directory
This one is, I believe, not portable: behind f the
filename must be immediately. (Also you forgot z.)
An often-seen case of this unportablity is people
using 'tar xfz foo.tgz' instead of xzf
Andrew Gwozdziewycz dixit:
>SBCL and Racket are certainly faster than Python, PHP, Ruby, Perl in most
Less portable: http://packages.debian.org/sid/sbcl#pdownload
bye,
//mirabilos
--
FWIW, I'm quite impressed with mksh interactively. I thought it was much
*much* more bare bones. But it turns ou
Chris Down dixit:
>try mksh.
FWIW, mksh has three different “echo”; if invoked as mksh, it uses
a BSD echo by default which does interpret backslashes, but if one
uses set -o posix (or invokes it as sh or -sh and it is compiled
with -DMKSH_BINSHPOSIX (CVS HEAD)) it has an echo that only honours
-
Jens Staal dixit:
> By the way: what is the status of MirOS on top of Linux? A dead project?
It was never really worked on but apparently got hyped in
“the media” (especially Wikipedia, which is known to get
its facts wrong but disallow corrections). It was basically
a “we could…” idea but not im
Jens Staal dixit:
> I am looking at Alpine at the moment... uclibc/busybox based
That is precisely the thing I was *not* addressing by stating
“company-use” ☺
Don’t get me wrong, I’ve started toying with something musl too,
but for “at work” you don’t want that, or can’t justify it, or
whatever.
Jens Staal dixit:
>> How does someone use that package on a working Linux distribution?
> That depends on how you define "working".
Did nobody fork Arch from before it became poettering’d and UsrMove’d
yet? May call it Hintern Linux ;-)
Indeed, I see a serious problem should Debian also fall, b
Thuban dixit:
>But what about st?
^Au
echo "bind u digraph 'U+'" >>~/.screenrc
hf,
//mirabilos
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17:08⎜«Vutral» früher gabs keine packenden smartphones und so
17:08⎜«Vutral» heute gibts frauen die sind facebooksüchtig
17:10⎜«Vutral» aber auch traurig; früher warst du als nerd voll am arsch
17
Andrew Gwozdziewycz dixit:
>But how often does stuff actually get updated? You can simply pregenerate
>all the content and serve it... For a site with 50 pages, that's nothing.
FWIW, the MirBSD website is kept in CVS and generated with
some (BSD) make and mksh scripts, then rsync’d to a webserver
Galos, David dixit:
>On GNU systems stdint.h still provides uint64_t, but I have no idea
>how portable this is.
is C99.
bye,
//mirabilos
--
17:08⎜«Vutral» früher gabs keine packenden smartphones und so
17:08⎜«Vutral» heute gibts frauen die sind facebooksüchtig
17:10⎜«Vutral» aber auch traurig;
Cc’ing the mksh list. Feel free to keep it, redirect there,
or remove it again.
Christoph Lohmann dixit:
>At least autoconf allows to specify a prefix, LDFLAGS or CFLAGS and some
A prefix is only needed when the Makefile installs; Build.sh accepts
the environment variables CC, CPPFLAGS, CFLAGS,
Christoph Lohmann dixit:
>Remove this Build.sh crap and add some real Makefile and I will recon‐
>sider using it.
You can let Build.sh generate a Makefile using the -M option,
but that Makefile would then be specific to the system it ran
on (actually “for”, not “on”, considering cross-compiling
Christoph Lohmann dixit:
>* tab completion
Can busybox ash do this? (If so, that’s recent.)
> * Does this really need plugins?
Definitely not; in mksh, tab completion is deterministic: the
first word is expanded as command, all other words as files.
Only downside is that tab completion i
random...@fastmail.us dixit:
>Okay - I'll get it in patch format later today, but it might be this
>weekend before I have time to write a manpage - test has a _lot_ of
>options.
Feel free to take the test(1) description that’s part of
https://www.mirbsd.org/man1/mksh as base (it’s in mdoc).
bye,
Silvan Jegen dixit:
>As a Vim user I see it the same way. In addition, correct me if I am
>wrong but as far as I know lynx does not handle CJK characters
>properly (German umlauts seem to work ok apparently).
No, that works properly as long as you use libncursesw
(one of the benefits of MirBSD ov
markus schnalke dixit:
>you rather use w3m?
Is there anyone on earth having figured out how to *use* that,
as in navigate?
Fernando C.V. dixit:
>Also you can write rules for it that allow you to preprocess certain
>websites or handle some of them differently, like running external
>viewers for
Nicolas Braud-Santoni dixit:
>Well, SFTP requires you to create a user account. (I'm aware that it may
>not be one with which you can SSH in).
>Some people might not want this.
If someone does not have a user account on your site, they
have no business uploading large files either.
If you’re on
Nick dixit:
>and hackable base. It's certainly in the interests of many
>unpleasant organisations to force people to 'consume web content' in
>the way proposed, such that it can't readily be scraped or changed,
I think that thing is called “Television”. Not really sure,
considering I stopped deal
Sam Watkins dixit:
>Would you rather everyone is exchanging binary word documents
>over sun-rpc, or something like that?
How about plaintext over ssh, possibly with rsync-over-ssh?
That’s Unix.
(IMAPS and SMTP also work…)
bye,
//mirabilos
--
> Hi, does anyone sell openbsd stickers by themselv
Andrew Gwozdziewycz dixit:
>Not really, given that HTML has *nothing* to do with HTTP.
Both are overused, really.
>Of course, you often retrieve HTML documents via HTTP
Doing anything else (well, file download is also okay),
such as this XMLRPC crap, or even tunneling, over HTTP
instead of just
G David Modica dixit:
>On 11:06 Wed 22 May , Thorsten Glaser wrote:
>> How about:
>>
>> script man foo q exit
>gdm@gdmThink ~$ script man foo q exit
>bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
>gdm@gdmThink ~$
This is something to pr
Fernando C.V. dixit:
>rendered, but unreadable.. can you copy-paste the invisible spaces
>between the "[-c ]"?
How about:
script man foo q exit
Then send in the typescript, gzip(1)d.
bye,
//mirabilos
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Sorry, I’m annoyed today and you came by as an Arch user. These are the
perfect
pancake dixit:
> On 05/16/13 13:09, hiro wrote:
>> http://penma.de/code/gettext-stub/
>
> https://github.com/rofl0r/gettext-tiny
https://www.mirbsd.org/MirOS/dist/hosted/libnointl/libnointl-20091122.tar.gz
bye,
//mirabilos
PS: Contributors welcome, e.g. to provide the same API and,
for the
Martin Miller dixit:
>pkill -9 metacity && dwm
In most environments, this will *not* work, as terminating the
window manager will terminate your X session as well.
>I've been given a laptop for work that's running Kubuntu. In the KDE
>world is there something similar to metacity that I can kill
Hugues Moretto-Viry dixit:
>Could you explain me why FTP sucks?
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
bye,
//mirabilos
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13:37⎜«Natureshadow» Deep inside, I hate mirabilos. I mean, he's a good
guy. But he's always right! In every fsckin' situation, he's right. Even
with his deeply perverted ta
j. van den hoff dixit:
> -.B Ctrl\-f and Ctrl\-\\
> currently, the corresponding line renders as "Ctrl-f and Ctrl-" when calling
The nroff escape for a backslash is actually \e ☺
• https://www.mirbsd.org/manUSD/21.troff
• https://www.mirbsd.org/manUSD/22.trofftut
bye,
//mirabilos
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Gast: „Ei
Peter Hofmann dixit:
>I believe you can work around all these issues by simply prefixing the
>command piped to the shell with an "exec":
>
> dmenu_path | dmenu "$@" | sed 's/^/exec /' | ${SHELL:-"/bin/sh"} &
Won't necessarily work if the result is not a simple command, though…
FWIW:
tg@bl
Ross Lagerwall dixit:
>+eval exec $(dmenu_path | dmenu "$@")
You might need double-quotes around that (the eval argument).
Best to check with something containing a tab, e.g.
「a\↹b "c↹d" e」 where ↹ is a tab. Sometimes spaces and
quotes are not enough to show the issues.
bye,
//mirabilos
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“It
Jens Staal dixit:
> Sorry for taking this out of context (and on the wrong list), but I built mksh
> (now a relatively old version 40f) for Plan9/APE (using the native "cc" front
> end to the plan9 compilers) in the hope to replace the old pdksh "sh" command
> there.
Yeah, I did that too. With ed
Edgaras dixit:
>Well it fails to compile on PI for me
What OS? What error message?
There was a period where a bug in GCC prevented a configure time
check from working. In mksh R45 (released yesterday), the entire
arithmetics code has been rewritten to not use signed integers,
making that check o
Anselm R Garbe dixit:
>Can you elaborate on this functionality a bit that mksh provides, but
>pdksh doesn't?
Not easily; the last release of pdksh was in 1999, and mksh is
actively developed; even pointing out every single bugfix, for
POSuX compliance or genuine, would take several Kibibytes.
It
Gregor Best dixit:
>didn't use mksh that long before switching from Linux to OpenBSD.
Nothing prevents you from replacing /bin/{,k}sh with mksh…
(I’ve done so on an OpenBSD VM at work) or just installing
it alongside and using it.
bye,
//mirabilos
PS: on that signature… Frank is zsh developer/c
Roberto E. Vargas Caballero dixit:
>It is the expected behaviour. As far as I know the first keyboard with meta
>key was space-cadet keyboard (look it in
Ah okay, thanks for the historic backup!
>meta codes you have it configured for it (or maybe your xterm has a
>different default configuration
Gregor Best dixit:
>are added to your keyboard layout. Works fine with st, and the regular
>"Left alt sends escape"-behaviour stays the same (and works fine with
>irssi and the like).
On the BSD text console and in default XTerm, the left Alt key
acts as 8-bit enabling Meta key, so it’s *not* the
random...@fastmail.us dixit:
>If this were an intended feature why would it elevate latin-1 over other
>unicode characters? This only proves my point.
It doesn’t – it’s just that latin1 is the first 256 chars of Unicode
by accident (or design, don’t know, ask the Unicode people).
And this Meta/8
random...@fastmail.us dixit:
>Wait a minute... what exactly do you _expect_ meta to do? Using (for
>example) meta-a to type 0xE1 "a with acute" is _not_, in fact, the
>expected or intended behavior; it is a bug. And I don't think it will
No, it is the intended behaviour.
http://fsinfo.noone.org/~
Christoph Lohmann dixit:
>Which applications do you use that handle double-width as you expect them?
mksh and jupp (though I don’t use st).
> Do these applications use the double-width for the layout?
It’s possible to use Unicode characters, halfwidth or fullwidth,
to draw nice boxen in e
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