Re: [dev] Re: dwm development continues NOW

2009-06-21 Thread Alexander Krylowsky
On Sat, 2009-06-20 17:27:48 +0100, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > An initial version of the new xinerama support is committed into hg, > it's not finished/polished yet, but the basics are usable already. > During the development I decided to have a bar per monitor, instead of > just one bar. It's less con

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-21 Thread Jorge Vargas
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Antony Jepson wrote: > I'm not sure if this has been asked before (although I did do a quick > search of ) but what distributions do you guys use on > a daily basis?  I recently built a new computer and I'm looking for a > good OS to install on there. > > I've been

Re: [dev] dwm development continues NOW

2009-06-21 Thread Uriel
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 3:28 AM, Jack Woehr wrote: > Enno Boland (Gottox) wrote: >> >> 2009/6/21 Uriel : >> >>> >>> Excessive and naive obsession with code reuse is one of the major >>> sources of gratuitous complexity in the software industry. >>> > > Ooh! Nice. "Having an idea and being able to e

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-21 Thread Pinocchio
It's a metadistribution. The entire point is to use it how you see fit and it tries to help you do that, but it by no means holds your hand while doing it. I don't think "metadistribution" has an actual application here. I see things like LFS or JeOS as metadistributions; 'being configur

Re: [dev] dwm development continues NOW

2009-06-21 Thread Jack Woehr
Enno Boland (Gottox) wrote: 2009/6/21 Uriel : Excessive and naive obsession with code reuse is one of the major sources of gratuitous complexity in the software industry. Ooh! Nice. "Having an idea and being able to execute it in code" is in 75% of cases much more serendipitous than rot

Re: [dev] dwm development continues NOW

2009-06-21 Thread Enno Boland (Gottox)
I agree with uriel. In my opinion just seperate the drawing code from the rest of the code by putting it into its own functions. This should be sufficient. Please avoid using extra libraries. 2009/6/21 Uriel : > Well, it might work, but lets say that I'm skeptical. > > Also I wonder if the gain of

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-21 Thread Fernan Bolando
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Leandro Chescotta wrote: > Why freebsd is not suckless? not arguing, but i don't know a lot about > BSD's, so, i wanna know > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 3:11 AM, Fernan Bolando > wrote: >> On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Uriel wrote: >>> Agreed, OpenBSD is far fr

Re: [dev] dmenu / enso

2009-06-21 Thread Kris Maglione
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:31:21PM +0100, Kevin Nagel wrote: is it possible to expand dmenu into sth similar like enso (http://www.humanized.com/enso/) The idea seems absurd. We already have unix commands to perform all of the requisite functionality. And, with dmenu, you've no need to hold t

Re: [dev] dmenu / enso

2009-06-21 Thread Szabolcs Nagy
On 6/21/09, Kevin Nagel wrote: > is it possible to expand dmenu into sth similar like enso > (http://www.humanized.com/enso/) "You just hold down the Caps Lock key and type an Enso command, which is displayed in a translucent overlay. Once the command is typed, you simply release the Caps Lock ke

[dev] dmenu / enso

2009-06-21 Thread Paul McCann
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Kevin Nagel wrote: > Hello, > > is it possible to expand dmenu into sth similar like enso > (http://www.humanized.com/enso/) > > Regards, > > Kev What does enso do that dmenu doesn't? For things like definitions and math, create some scripts that wrap shell utilit

Re: [dev] dwm / add tabs / attach/detach functionality

2009-06-21 Thread Szabolcs Nagy
On 6/21/09, Kevin Nagel wrote: > I am a wmii-2.5 user and like the tabbing concept much more than the > stacking concept in wmii-3. However, I've considered using dwm, but > would like to have these features there as well. Also the dynamic > control of creating/deleting workspaces and not using ta

[dev] dmenu / enso

2009-06-21 Thread Kevin Nagel
Hello, is it possible to expand dmenu into sth similar like enso (http://www.humanized.com/enso/) Regards, Kev

[dev] dwm / add tabs / attach/detach functionality

2009-06-21 Thread Kevin Nagel
Hello, I am a wmii-2.5 user and like the tabbing concept much more than the stacking concept in wmii-3. However, I've considered using dwm, but would like to have these features there as well. Also the dynamic control of creating/deleting workspaces and not using tagging. Is this possible and how

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-21 Thread Antoni Grzymala
hiro dixit (2009-06-21, 22:13): > > smelly anyhow, though useful. > > Useful in creating jobs, right. > I will try to keep this in mind, thank you very much. > > Scat, though smelly, is also very useful as a fertilizer. Definitely. There's a hint (or more) of scat that I enjoy in some of the fi

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-21 Thread hiro
> smelly anyhow, though useful. Useful in creating jobs, right. I will try to keep this in mind, thank you very much. Scat, though smelly, is also very useful as a fertilizer.

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-21 Thread Antoni Grzymala
Uriel dixit (2009-06-21, 20:39): > Bash scripts are one of the worst venereal diseases to even infest > *nix systems. I wouldn't exaggerate. Most bash scripts don't use bashisms and could just as well be “good ol' sh” scripts as you like to call them, though I don't personallly see what so “good”

Re: [dev] dwm development continues NOW

2009-06-21 Thread Uriel
Well, it might work, but lets say that I'm skeptical. Also I wonder if the gain of moving the handful of lines of code involved in drawing dwm's GUI into a library would really be worth it. Excessive and naive obsession with code reuse is one of the major sources of gratuitous complexity in the s

Re: [dev] unsubscribe

2009-06-21 Thread Uriel
This list has become like the internet's kindergarten... And Erik Naggum is dead, just when the world needs him most, what a sad day :( uriel On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Kris Maglione wrote: > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:18:15PM +0800, Ludovic Guégan wrote: >> >> Same to me! > > Unsubscribe

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-21 Thread Uriel
Bash scripts are one of the worst venereal diseases to even infest *nix systems. Learn to use good ol' sh, or switch to rc, but stop spreading the bash braindamage. uriel On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 5:55 PM, hiro<23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 4:01 PM, James PIC wrote: >> >

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-21 Thread Thomas Gallen
It really has degenerated into an a pissing contest so I gave up. Thomas On Jun 21, 2009, at 11:55 AM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 4:01 PM, James PIC wrote: Man bash man portage I'm pretty happy that both of those commands fail on all my hand calculators.

Re: [dev] dwm development continues NOW

2009-06-21 Thread Preben Randhol
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:43:40 +0200 hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > As said, don't miss that all these efforts will be kept at > its most minimalist solution. > > Easily said... Easily done... > > Separating interface and implementation... > > Not always sane. In most cases it is. Figu

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-21 Thread hiro
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 4:01 PM, James PIC wrote: > > Man bash > man portage I'm pretty happy that both of those commands fail on all my hand calculators. They are great Systems. I never had to reboot or upgrade anything, cause it's so fucking less sucking. And it works with solar power! You gu

Re: [dev] dwm development continues NOW

2009-06-21 Thread hiro
> As said, don't miss that all these efforts will be kept at its most minimalist solution. Easily said... > It is the Sensible Solution[tm] to > do it the way he suggests. ... > Separating interface and implementation... Not always sane. In this case I agree that it's rather not worth it. If

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-21 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 9:01 AM, James PIC wrote: > Man bash > man portage I'm pretty happy that both of those commands fail on all my systems

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-21 Thread James PIC
Man bash man portage On Jun 20, 2009 2:50 PM, "Kurt H Maier" wrote: On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Anselm R Garbe wrote: > That way I can set up a ... Ubuntu is an utter nightmare to use on anything but a "workstation" system. They ship broken packages, break currently-working packages, fail

Re: [dev] unsubscribe

2009-06-21 Thread Premysl Hruby
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Re: [dev] unsubscribe

2009-06-21 Thread Randy Morris
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Re: [dev] dwm development continues NOW

2009-06-21 Thread Preben Randhol
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 02:56:46 +0200 Uriel wrote: > I thought we had agreed against having multiple drawing backends... > this will add considerable complexity for no gain at all. you misunderstand. Read Anselms mail. It is the Sensible Solution[tm] to do it the way he suggests. Separating interfa

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-21 Thread Julien Laffaye
Because it is not bloated with httpd and perl in the _basesystem_ ? :-) On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Leandro Chescotta < leandro.chesco...@gmail.com> wrote: > Why freebsd is not suckless? not arguing, but i don't know a lot about > BSD's, so, i wanna know > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 3:11 AM

Re: [dev] Suckless (*NIX|*BSD) Distribution?

2009-06-21 Thread Leandro Chescotta
Why freebsd is not suckless? not arguing, but i don't know a lot about BSD's, so, i wanna know On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 3:11 AM, Fernan Bolando wrote: > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Uriel wrote: >> Agreed, OpenBSD is far from perfect, but it sucks much less than any >> other *nix system out th

Re: [dev] dwm development continues NOW

2009-06-21 Thread Anselm R Garbe
2009/6/20 Michael : > Anselm R Garbe wrote: >> Afterwards the next item will be the interface integration to enable >> different drawing backends, which will ease porting to cairo/pango or >> xft as well. The advantage is, that the same interface will be used in >> st and dmenu as well. This is bas