Re: [DISCUSS] Improvements on FLIP Process

2020-02-20 Thread Xintong Song
gt; > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, thanks for launching this discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About eliminating Google Docs. I agree with Zhijiang, I share > my > > > > > concern > > > > > > &

Re: [DISCUSS] Improvements on FLIP Process

2020-02-20 Thread David Anderson
gt; > > discussions are in ML, It's going to be very messy. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I think can keep this principle: > > > > > > - Small issues can be discussed on Google doc. > > > > > > - Big issues, or fundamental d

Re: [DISCUSS] Improvements on FLIP Process

2020-02-20 Thread Hequn Cheng
; > ML. > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > Jingsong Lee > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 1:22 AM Zhijiang < > wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com > > > > > .invalid> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for launc

Re: [DISCUSS] Improvements on FLIP Process

2020-02-19 Thread Till Rohrmann
ing this discussion and also agree with the > opinions > > > of > > > > > Kostas, Timo and Aljoscha. > > > > > > > > > > The proposed reasons for eliminating google doc are very > reasonable, > > > > > especially the access

Re: [DISCUSS] Improvements on FLIP Process

2020-02-19 Thread Xintong Song
formal must procedure to follow > firstly. > > > > And we can also kindly list these specific considerations/reasons > > > > for google doc concerns as said below in the guideline doc. > > > > > > > > To do so, we still retain this option for

Re: [DISCUSS] Improvements on FLIP Process

2020-02-18 Thread jincheng sun
google doc concerns as said below in the guideline doc. > > > > > > To do so, we still retain this option for some people who prefer to > > google > > > doc or willing to provide it in some corner cases. > > > Of course I am also happy to eliminate google doc completely. > > > > > > Best, > > > Zhijiang > > &

Re: [DISCUSS] Improvements on FLIP Process

2020-02-18 Thread Yuan Mei
ogle > > doc or willing to provide it in some corner cases. > > Of course I am also happy to eliminate google doc completely. > > > > Best, > > Zhijiang > > > > > > -- > > From:Kostas Kloudas > > Send Time:2020 Feb. 18 (

Re: [DISCUSS] Improvements on FLIP Process

2020-02-18 Thread Jingsong Li
minate google doc completely. > > Best, > Zhijiang > > > -- > From:Kostas Kloudas > Send Time:2020 Feb. 18 (Tue.) 23:03 > To:dev > Subject:Re: [DISCUSS] Improvements on FLIP Process > > +1 to what Aljoscha and Timo are proposing. > > I would lean towards eliminating Google Docs

Re: [DISCUSS] Improvements on FLIP Process

2020-02-18 Thread Zhijiang
Subject:Re: [DISCUSS] Improvements on FLIP Process +1 to what Aljoscha and Timo are proposing. I would lean towards eliminating Google Docs altogether. I think they served a purpose when discussions were among 3 to 4 people but with the current size of the community and the amount of

Re: [DISCUSS] Improvements on FLIP Process

2020-02-18 Thread Kostas Kloudas
+1 to what Aljoscha and Timo are proposing. I would lean towards eliminating Google Docs altogether. I think they served a purpose when discussions were among 3 to 4 people but with the current size of the community and the amount of participants per discussion they become difficult to follow. Be

Re: [DISCUSS] Improvements on FLIP Process

2020-02-18 Thread Timo Walther
+1 to what Aljoscha said. The past has shown that discussions in Google docs do not reach all interested parties and the tracability of design decisions becomes difficult. Google services are also partially inaccessible in certain parts of world. We should actually do the opposite and not al

Re: [DISCUSS] Improvements on FLIP Process

2020-02-18 Thread Aljoscha Krettek
Hi, thanks for starting this discussion! However, I have a somewhat opposing opinion to this: we should disallow using Google Docs for FLIPs and FLIP discussions and follow the already established process more strictly. My reasons for this are: - discussions on the Google Doc are not reflec

[DISCUSS] Improvements on FLIP Process

2020-02-18 Thread Hequn Cheng
Hi everyone, Currently, when we create a FLIP we follow the FLIP process in the Flink Improvement Proposals wiki[1]. The process mainly includes the following steps: 1. Create a FLIP wiki page. 2. Raise the discussion on the mailing list. 3. Once the proposal is finalized, call a vote to have the