I was not sure how I'd give feedback on this, but I'd have to say Mihai hit
the nail on the head for how I felt too reading these emails.
After reading his email some thoughts came to mind which probably also
parrot a little of what Alex said.
This project is a labor of love. We all are here bec
Hi,
Thanks Mihai for your considered thoughts on this subject.
Justin
So far I worked in 7 different closed-source (and 'closed' in many
other ways) companies. There I've seen just how much backlash there
can be when someone speaks up about what's not working. Over time
people learn to stay silent. It saddens me to see this happening in an
open-source project. I thin
Hi,
> If I have a vision or idea for something and go ahead and build it [and/or
> try to donate it];
That is certainly one valid path to take, but it then it may need to go through
a software grant and IP clearance. That's a cost you may need to incur if you
want to bring software to Apache in
Hi,
Obviously there a few things I can't say here re what has gone on on the
private list.
> Your actions seem to indicate otherwise.
Quite the opposite - please see the number and diversity of committers that I
have put forward to vote on. Several of which have become productive members of
th
Hi,
> I happen to know that PMC member (it was me ;-)) and my resignation was for
> personal reasons totally unrelated to the issues Justin mentions.
I did not state the reason you left just that someone had.
> what you're doing now comes dangerously close to intentionally sabotaging the
> projec
Hi,
> Don’t you think it’s a bit extreme declaring the PMC broken because some
> people disagree with you?
> I don't see it that way - there have many issues in recent months and
> we've had one other PMC member resign.
I happen to know that PMC member (it was me ;-)) and my resignation was for
Okay. I don’t think this is the place for this, but if you want the discussion
here, I’ll respond.
>> Part of building community is allowing for the fact that there are different
>> points of view
> I'm all for that.
Your actions seem to indicate otherwise. Declaring the PMC broken and it needs
I, personally, don't understand the "openness" complaint here but I've
seen similar sentiments before.
If I have a vision or idea for something and go ahead and build it
[and/or try to donate it]; I should not be discriminated against because
I didn't discuss it on the list first. The com
Hi,
> Don’t you think it’s a bit extreme declaring the PMC broken because some
> people disagree with you?
I don't see it that way - there have many issues in recent months and we've had
one other PMC member resign.
> Part of building community is allowing for the fact that there are different
Hi,
> Inappropriate to start a "the sky is falling" to an entire community.
The sky issn't falling and we can fix it.
Part of the key concepts of the Apache Way is openness and that's where I've
decided to go. I welcome anyones ideas and constructive feedback. You you can
email privately or m
Inappropriate to start a "the sky is falling" to an entire community.
-Mark
Justin,
Don’t you think it’s a bit extreme declaring the PMC broken because some people
disagree with you?
Part of building community is allowing for the fact that there are different
points of view and just because there’s disagreement does not mean things are
broken. In fact, a community wit
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