Justin, Don’t you think it’s a bit extreme declaring the PMC broken because some people disagree with you?
Part of building community is allowing for the fact that there are different points of view and just because there’s disagreement does not mean things are broken. In fact, a community without disagreement isn’t much of a community… ;-) Anyone who’s not subscribed to private will have no idea what you’re referring to, so I think the private list is a better place for this discussion. There are flaws and misrepresentation in each of your points, and I’d be happy to address them on the private list where the discussion has more context. Harbs On Aug 21, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I've considered carefully and so rather than resigning from the PMC I'm going > to see if I can fix it. Hopefully other PMC members can help me in this. If > we can't fix it I'll reconsider my options. > > The PMC responsibilities are clearly spelt out here [1], first they are legal > and secondary to they are to build community. We seem to be having a hard > time with the second. > > IMO there's a few things that are broken currently: > - Recent events where calls for votes are vetoed and the attitude that only > certain types of contributions count towards committership. I'll be calling a > vote to try and rectify this and stop this from occurring again. Our own > guidelines spell out what we value for committership [2] - "The forms of > contribution are not limited to only code. It can also include code reviews, > helping out users on the mailing lists, documentation, testing, etc." this > matches with the Apache Way [3], which of one of the key concepts is > "communiy over code". > - Lack of openness. There been a few things done in private. If there is a > good reason for it, it should be brought up on the private list first and > discussed. But if possible everything should be done in the open, to build > community and trust. Just because something was done in a certain way during > Adobe incubation doesn't mean it should be done that way again. Openness is a > key concept of the Apache Way. > - We only hear from a few voices. We are possibly in danger of falling below > the 3 active PMC members required for a top level project when though we have > 30+ PMC members. We need to encourage existing PMC member to speak up and be > involved or try and recruit more PMC members. I'm open to ideas on how to > make this happen. > > Thanks, > Justin > > 1. http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html > 2. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Guidelines > 3. http://theapacheway.com
