Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-03 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Just to stir the pot a little more. Should we add to the guidelines a sort > of calendar and every year we are required to review our by laws again. No need IMO they can be changed at any time and then voted in. Thanks, Justin

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-03 Thread Mark Kessler
Just to stir the pot a little more. Should we add to the guidelines a sort of calendar and every year we are required to review our by laws again. During that time we also have to acknowledge chair at least as far as keep / change? -Mark

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-03 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > I'm wondering if the board really does appoint the char as much as > approves the PMC recommendation. There are legal implications as the PMC chair is made an ASF officer. [1] I'd be surprised if the PMC has the authority to remove an ASF officer. > Because there should be some discussion

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-03 Thread Greg Reddin
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > I'm wondering if the board really does appoint the char as much as > approves the PMC recommendation. If we change chairs, we only provide > notice and wait 72 hours. AFAIK, there is no action from the board > required. This could just be anot

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-03 Thread Alex Harui
On 12/3/13 2:38 PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: >Hi, > >> OK, but how does the PMC "oust" the current chair? >The PMC would only have to oust the chair in extreme circumstances. I >don't think the PMC actually can remove the chair as the chair is >appointed by the board. In practise I would assume t

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-03 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > OK, but how does the PMC "oust" the current chair? The PMC would only have to oust the chair in extreme circumstances. I don't think the PMC actually can remove the chair as the chair is appointed by the board. In practise I would assume that the process would be that a PMC member (or mor

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-03 Thread Alex Harui
On 12/3/13 12:34 AM, "Erik de Bruin" wrote: >> should do a better job of explaining the details. The way the words are >> currently written, I could just keep saying I want to renew every year >> forever. It should not just be up to me to decide whether to continue, > >As keeps being pointed

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-03 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
- Alex is currently the chair and would volunteer to continue, but never > has stated that he would aktually like to stay in that Position (It's more > the others stating that they would want him to stay) > Actually, he has said he wanted to stay. A few times now. -Nick

AW: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-03 Thread christofer.d...@c-ware.de
r 2013 08:16 An: dev@flex.apache.org Betreff: Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report Hi, IMO he's not clearly stated that he will stand for another year and yes the choice is his. The board report seems to me to be a good place to state that. When putting the guidelines together consensus was that t

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-03 Thread Erik de Bruin
> should do a better job of explaining the details. The way the words are > currently written, I could just keep saying I want to renew every year > forever. It should not just be up to me to decide whether to continue, As keeps being pointed out to me: once you merit a position in the Apache hi

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-03 Thread Alex Harui
On 12/2/13 11:46 PM, "Erik de Bruin" wrote: >> me to be a good place to state that. When putting the guidelines >>together consensus was that the chair should >> be for a year or reviewed every year. > >When I voted I took the guideline to mean: for at least a year and >automatically extended b

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-02 Thread Erik de Bruin
The report is to notify the board of changes. Like with the committer that declined: Greg indicated that since nothing changed, there didn't need to be anything in the report. EdB On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:48 AM, OmPrakash Muppirala wrote: > The question here is whether Alex should state that h

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-02 Thread Alex Harui
On 12/2/13 11:48 PM, "OmPrakash Muppirala" wrote: >The question here is whether Alex should state that he is in fact >continuing as the Chair in the board report. I don't see any controversy >in that. >Or do folks think that it is not necessary? IMO, it isn't necessary. If we change chairs, a

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-02 Thread OmPrakash Muppirala
The question here is whether Alex should state that he is in fact continuing as the Chair in the board report. I don't see any controversy in that. Or do folks think that it is not necessary? Thanks, Om On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Erik de Bruin wrote: > Alex: "... whether I should contin

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-02 Thread Erik de Bruin
> me to be a good place to state that. When putting the guidelines together > consensus was that the chair should > be for a year or reviewed every year. When I voted I took the guideline to mean: for at least a year and automatically extended by a year if the chair chose to stay on, unless the P

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-02 Thread Erik de Bruin
Alex: "... whether I should continue if I'm willing to do so (which I am)." Seems like a clear statement to me. EdB On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > IMO he's not clearly stated that he will stand for another year and yes the > choice is his. The board report see

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-02 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Now, that same rule says you can call a vote to remove Alex from office and > take the seat yourself Let me assure everyone here that that is certainly not my intention. If that was to happen there would need to be a vote by the PMC to elect someone as chair and that may not be me and t

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-02 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, IMO he's not clearly stated that he will stand for another year and yes the choice is his. The board report seems to me to be a good place to state that. When putting the guidelines together consensus was that the chair should be for a year or reviewed every year. There may be other PMC mem

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-02 Thread Erik de Bruin
Justin, you're trying too hard. It feels like you're pushing Alex out. You keep referring to our guidelines, so here is the relevant part (emphasis mine): "The term of chair is for one one year or UNTIL THEY RETIRE. After one year THE CHAIR CAN ELECT TO STAND FOR ANOTHER YEAR or a vote by the PMC

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-02 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Hmm. Maybe there's need for some improvement to the guideline's wording. > It really should only be my call to say if I don't want to continue in the > role and up to the PMC with community input as to whether I should > continue if I'm willing to do so (which I am). Sorry but I have to di

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-02 Thread Alex Harui
On 12/2/13 2:37 PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: >Hi, > >Actually the report would be a good time for Alex to say if he's >continuing in the role or chair for a year or if we ask going to ask for >other nominations and vote on a new chair. Hmm. Maybe there's need for some improvement to the guidelin

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-02 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > I thought FlexUnit was in? It's been donated but there no release. Justin

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-02 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Actually the report would be a good time for Alex to say if he's continuing in the role or chair for a year or if we ask going to ask for other nominations and vote on a new chair. Thanks, Justin

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-02 Thread Nicholas Kwiatkowski
The URLS under tradmarks are mistyped, but otherwise looks good on my side. Once corrections are done and this is submitted, I'll write a wrap-up blog post and get that online on the public side too. -Nick On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > Sorry, updating subjectŠ > > > On 1

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-02 Thread Alex Harui
I thought FlexUnit was in? On 12/2/13 2:07 PM, "Justin Mclean" wrote: >Hi, > >All looks good to me. > >Perhaps add that the FlexUnit and Swiz donation seems to have stalled? > >> -There were more than 3000 installs of 4.11.0 in the month since its >>release. > >Currently at 3,656 installs of 4.1

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-02 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, All looks good to me. Perhaps add that the FlexUnit and Swiz donation seems to have stalled? > -There were more than 3000 installs of 4.11.0 in the month since its release. Currently at 3,656 installs of 4.11 and we've had 10,502 install of 4.10 since it's release. Thanks, Justin

Re: [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-02 Thread Lee Burrows
Perhaps a periodic culling of JIRA issues is in order - my (very small) sampling suggests a noticable percentage of open issues could be closed (eg: poor understanding of flex = assumption of bug). On 02/12/2013 21:05, Alex Harui wrote: In the past three months we've seen: - Continued JIRA ac

RE:[DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-02 Thread Maurice Amsellem
Maybe it should be stated that Benoit has declined the offer De : Alex Harui [aha...@adobe.com] Envoyé : lundi 2 décembre 2013 22:05 À : dev@flex.apache.org Objet : [DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report Sorry, updating subjectŠ On 12/2/13 1:03 PM

[DRAFT] Apache Flex December 2013 Report

2013-12-02 Thread Alex Harui
Sorry, updating subjectŠ On 12/2/13 1:03 PM, "Alex Harui" wrote: Time for the next report. Please review and comment. Thanks, -Alex - Apache Flex is an application framework for easily building Flash-based applications for mobile devices, the browser and desktop. RELEASES Apache