Re: On wearing multiple hats

2016-11-04 Thread Phil Steitz
On 10/26/16 7:06 AM, Isabel Drost-Fromm wrote: Thanks for sharing this, Isabel. I have a similar kind of personal comment below, but I have to first say that my immediate reaction reading about your experience was how lucky we are that you managed to make it to that Acon :) Please thank that per

Re: On wearing multiple hats

2016-10-28 Thread Shawn Heisey
On 10/25/2016 1:50 AM, Isabel Drost-Fromm wrote: > Longer version: Every now and then I hear people complain either > privately or publicly [1] that people working on Apache projects who > are not paid to do that work and have don't have the luxury to > participate full-time are facing a hard time

Re: On wearing multiple hats

2016-10-27 Thread Jacques Le Roux
I do love this answer Thanks Ross! Jacques Le 25/10/2016 à 16:19, Ross Gardler a écrit : First, I'm tired of hearing it too but let's not be fooled, most of the time it comes from people ill informed about how the ASF works. We use social controls within the projects and we have a fully ind

Re: On wearing multiple hats

2016-10-26 Thread Isabel Drost
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:58:17AM -0400, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 3:50 AM, Isabel Drost-Fromm wrote: > > - Given the influx of projects into the incubator (and the number of > > projects > > making it through) people seem to trust the ASF as a home for their > > communities.

Re: On wearing multiple hats

2016-10-26 Thread Isabel Drost-Fromm
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 02:19:06PM +, Ross Gardler wrote: > First, I'm tired of hearing it too but let's not be fooled, most of the time > it comes from people ill informed about how the ASF works. I have no doubt about that. Maybe we can do a better job telling people how we work then? > We

Re: On wearing multiple hats

2016-10-25 Thread Shane Curcuru
Two small comments: Ross Gardler wrote on 10/25/16 10:19 AM: > First, I'm tired of hearing it too but let's not be fooled, most of > the time it comes from people ill informed about how the ASF works. > > We use social controls within the projects and we have a fully > independent board to handle

Re: On wearing multiple hats

2016-10-25 Thread Sam Ruby
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 3:50 AM, Isabel Drost-Fromm wrote: > Pre-text: This conversation started among several members of the ASF, you are > seeing this message here, as it was suggested to have the discussion on a > public mailing list so everyone can participate. > > > Hi, > > tl;dr: I'm tired o

Re: On wearing multiple hats

2016-10-25 Thread Ross Gardler
First, I'm tired of hearing it too but let's not be fooled, most of the time it comes from people ill informed about how the ASF works. We use social controls within the projects and we have a fully independent board to handle escalations should a community member feel that their (or anothers)