Griselda Cuevas Zambrano created DI-6:
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Summary: Defining the D&I Committee's Values & Mission
Key: DI-6
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DI-6
Project: Diversity
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Griselda Cuevas Zambrano updated DI-6:
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Summary: Defining the D&I Committee's Goals (was: Defining the D&I
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Griselda Cuevas Zambrano updated DI-5:
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Summary: Defining the D&I Committee's Values & Mission (was: Defining the
D&
Griselda Cuevas Zambrano created DI-5:
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Summary: Defining the D&I Committee's Values
Key: DI-5
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DI-5
Project: Diversity and Inclusion
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+1
On Sat, 4 May 2019, 11:07 pm Myrle Krantz, wrote:
> I propose that ComDev submmit the following statement to the board:
>
> "The ComDev PMC hereby requests that the board create a President's
> committee tasked with supporting our communities in their efforts to be
> diverse and welcoming pla
My apologies Kenneth. I'm not sure how I missed you.
Best,
Myrle
On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 9:36 AM Kenneth Knowles wrote:
> I cast a +1 (non-binding) and (* on D&I resolution) but I am not listed
> below. Just for the record should someone navigate to this thread.
>
> K
I cast a +1 (non-binding) and (* on D&I resolution) but I am not listed
below. Just for the record should someone navigate to this thread.
Kenn
*From: *Myrle Krantz
*Date: *Thu, May 9, 2019 at 10:51 PM
*To: *
The measure passes. I will place the following text on the board agenda:
>
a
strategy to improve our diversity and inclusiveness. The ComDev PMC
likewise formally requests that the new committee look for ways in which
ComDev can support our progress in these areas."
The vote results are as follows:
(The * indicate someone who is listed in the D&I proposal.)
(The
I'm +1 [non-binding] for splitting D&I from ComDev off into it's own
committee/PMC/initiative/etc. It hasn't been done well under comdev and
it's time to give it a shot on it's own.
-KAM
On 5/8/2019 10:48 AM, Myrle Krantz wrote:
> FYI all:
>
> I'm go
FYI all:
I'm going to call the vote on Friday morning (CET). If it passes, I'll
also add it to the board agenda at that time. I ask that everyone who
wants to participate do so by then.
Best Regards,
Myrle
On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 1:53 PM Tim Williams wrote:
> -1... it's completely unnecessar
-1... it's completely unnecessary (as the work could easily be done under the
CommDev banner) and gives the sense of "action" towards a cause without
actually solving any real problem. Ironically, I predict it will fracture the
community and have the effect of removing diversity of views on th
I too believe this to be part of ComDev's charter, but it is clear that we
have done little to address it since the formation of this PMC. So indeed
perhaps it is the time to try something new.
+1 to that something new although I remain ambivalent to what specific form
this committee/pmc/thingy s
+1
On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 12:47 PM Sharan Foga wrote:
> +1 on trying something new and separating this out. And as Bertrand
> mentions +1 for leaving it up to the Board to decide what type of committee
> structure they would like to see in place.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
> On 2019/05/06 07:33:13, B
+1 on trying something new and separating this out. And as Bertrand mentions +1
for leaving it up to the Board to decide what type of committee structure they
would like to see in place.
Thanks
Sharan
On 2019/05/06 07:33:13, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 12:07 AM Myrle K
I am +1 on the spin out; I am -1 on ComDev specifying a President's cmmt as the
form of the spin out.
> On May 4, 2019, at 6:06 PM, Myrle Krantz wrote:
>
> I propose that ComDev submmit the following statement to the board:
>
> "The ComDev PMC hereby requests that the board create a President'
+0
not sure if a president's committee is the best way of getting this done or
whether it would be
better to have it as part of comdev. But better do something than nothing at
all. Plus, we can fix
stuff later so I'll leave it to those wanting to drive it to figure it out.
Uli
On 05.05.19 00:0
+1
On 2019/05/04 22:06:47, Myrle Krantz wrote:
> I propose that ComDev submmit the following statement to the board:>
>
> "The ComDev PMC hereby requests that the board create a President's>
> committee tasked with supporting our communities in their efforts to be>
> diverse and welcoming places,
re is a proposal for the
board to create a D&I president's committee. The board will be voting on
it at the May 15th board meeting.
My proposal here is intended to gauge comdev's position on it to inform
that decision. I'll be capturing binding and non-binding votes when I
cl
+1
Le 05/05/2019 à 00:06, Myrle Krantz a écrit :
> I propose that ComDev submmit the following statement to the board:
>
> "The ComDev PMC hereby requests that the board create a President's
> committee tasked with supporting our communities in their efforts to be
> diverse and welcoming places,
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 12:07 AM Myrle Krantz wrote:
> ..."The ComDev PMC hereby requests that the board create a President's
> committee tasked with supporting our communities in their efforts to be
> diverse and welcoming places...
+1, though I would leave it to the Board to decide which form of
+1
On Sun, 5 May 2019 at 17:27, Dinesh Joshi wrote:
> +1
>
> Dinesh
>
> > On May 5, 2019, at 1:09 PM, Nate McCall wrote:
> >
> >> I propose that ComDev submmit the following statement to the board:
> >>
> >> "The ComDev PMC hereby requests that the board create a President's
> >> committee task
+1
Dinesh
> On May 5, 2019, at 1:09 PM, Nate McCall wrote:
>
>> I propose that ComDev submmit the following statement to the board:
>>
>> "The ComDev PMC hereby requests that the board create a President's
>> committee tasked with supporting our communities in their efforts to be
>> diverse an
> I propose that ComDev submmit the following statement to the board:
>
> "The ComDev PMC hereby requests that the board create a President's
> committee tasked with supporting our communities in their efforts to be
> diverse and welcoming places, and tasked with helping the ASF formulate a
> strat
.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] ComDev supports formation of D&I committee
Myrle Krantz wrote on 5/4/19 6:06 PM:
I propose that ComDev submmit the following statement to the board:
"The ComDev PMC hereby requests that the board create a President's
committee tasked with supporting our comm
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 4:00 PM
> > > To: dev@community.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: [VOTE] ComDev supports formation of D&I committee
> > >
> > > Myrle Krantz wrote on 5/4/19 6:06 PM:
> > >> I propose that ComDev submmit the f
m: Shane Curcuru
> > Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 4:00 PM
> > To: dev@community.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] ComDev supports formation of D&I committee
> >
> > Myrle Krantz wrote on 5/4/19 6:06 PM:
> >> I propose that ComDev submmit the followi
v supports formation of D&I committee
Myrle Krantz wrote on 5/4/19 6:06 PM:
I propose that ComDev submmit the following statement to the board:
"The ComDev PMC hereby requests that the board create a President's
committee tasked with supporting our communities in their efforts to be
dive
+1
From: Shane Curcuru
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 4:00 PM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] ComDev supports formation of D&I committee
Myrle Krantz wrote on 5/4/19 6:06 PM:
> I propose that ComDev submmit the following statement
Myrle Krantz wrote on 5/4/19 6:06 PM:
> I propose that ComDev submmit the following statement to the board:
>
> "The ComDev PMC hereby requests that the board create a President's
> committee tasked with supporting our communities in their efforts to be
> diverse and welcoming places, and tasked w
Hi Myrle
I have been skulking (is that the right word?) on these threads since last
year. I'd be very interested to help where I can on the diversity front.
Mit freundlichen Gruessen,
Steph
+1.314.452.2896 (Tel/SMS)
On Sat, May 4, 2019 at 5:07 PM Myrle Krantz wrote:
> I propose that ComDev su
I propose that ComDev submmit the following statement to the board:
"The ComDev PMC hereby requests that the board create a President's
committee tasked with supporting our communities in their efforts to be
diverse and welcoming places, and tasked with helping the ASF formulate a
strategy to impr
As I understand the current D&I committee proposal it does not impact current
CoC setup.
If you feel it should/should not then maybe you can provide your thoughts in
the form of feedback to Myrle's initial question here. If you don't have an
opinion yet maybe consider asking the
are provided.
Is the new D&I committee meant to be separate from reporting/“enforcement” or
not? Your arguments around legal situations involving law enforcement
potentially implies a mixing of policy evaluation and enforcement.
Regards,
Dave
> On May 1, 2019, at 7:31 AM, Ross Gardler wrote
o: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: Why should D&I be a president's committee?
The most important question is: where do the people who are currently
most active doing the real work of the survey and organizing
informational materials on diversity@ want to do that work? Ensuring
they have a p
The most important question is: where do the people who are currently
most active doing the real work of the survey and organizing
informational materials on diversity@ want to do that work? Ensuring
they have a productive space and framework to work is the first thing to
solve. That said...
My
On 01/05/2019 12:06, Myrle Krantz wrote:
> When talking about formalizing our D&I effort, there have been essentially
> three options under discussion:
>
> * Make it a sub-committee of ComDev.
> * Make it a president's committee.
> * Make it it's own PMC.
>
>
> On May 1, 2019, at 7:06 AM, Myrle Krantz wrote:
>
>
> (Jim, this is an area you should be able to help us shine a light on, given
> your extensive experience at the ASF. You are explicitly invited to
> participate.)
Thx for the invite but I know that any input I'd provide to be moot.
Che
When talking about formalizing our D&I effort, there have been essentially
three options under discussion:
* Make it a sub-committee of ComDev.
* Make it a president's committee.
* Make it it's own PMC.
The current proposal is to make it a president's committee.
I'm not
th helping the ASF formulate a
strategy to improve our diversity and inclusiveness. The ComDev PMC
likewise formally requests that the new committee look for ways in which
ComDev can support our progress in these areas."
For reference, here's the thread containing the actual D&I resol
uevas
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi folks, as I mentioned in the diversity@ list [1], the call that I
>> was
>> > proposing to kick-off the D&I work was cancelled.
>> >
>> > Let's please continue to work around shaping the D&I
; >
> > Hi folks, as I mentioned in the diversity@ list [1], the call that I was
> > proposing to kick-off the D&I work was cancelled.
> >
> > Let's please continue to work around shaping the D&I efforts in
Hey Griselda,
Could you please add me to the list? I had expressed interest in helping out.
Thanks,
Dinesh
> On Apr 9, 2019, at 2:17 PM, Griselda Cuevas wrote:
>
> Hi folks, as I mentioned in the diversity@ list [1], the call that I was
> proposing to kick-off the D&I wo
Hi folks, as I mentioned in the diversity@ list [1], the call that I was
proposing to kick-off the D&I work was cancelled.
Let's please continue to work around shaping the D&I efforts in the
diversity@ list.
[1]
https://lists.apache.or
[moving comdev back to bcc]
On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 9:06 AM Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
> > On Apr 3, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 7:57 AM Jim Jagielski wrote:
> >>
> >> Consider the effort along the lines of development... all development
> >> needs to be done on
> On Apr 3, 2019, at 9:26 AM, Naomi Slater wrote:
>
>
> as you are not the person driving the call, I don't think it is
> particularly important that you don't see a rationale. our concern should
> not be *how* people "should" work, but that people *can* work, and in ways
> that suit them. as
I was being polite. whether or not you personally think a call is a good
idea is not important in the context of other people wanting to do a call.
and pointing that out is conducive to good community building. it is not
demeaning or dismissive. throwing your weight around on the list to
bikeshed o
On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 15:03, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Personally, I think the right course would be to take the advice
> that having a call when not specifically required to heart and to,
> instead, do all discussion, agenda setting, etc on the diversity@
> list and drop the idea of having a call a
> On Apr 3, 2019, at 8:59 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 7:57 AM Jim Jagielski wrote:
>>
>> Consider the effort along the lines of development... all development
>> needs to be done on list.
>
> Not all committees operate along the lines of development.
> Independent of that
My last words on the subject:
> On Apr 3, 2019, at 8:46 AM, Griselda Cuevas wrote:
>
> It seems that the right course of action would be to prepare an agenda,
> distribute it in the divers...@apache.org list and gather input from folks
> who can't join.
Personally, I think the right course woul
> >
> >> Can I recommend instead of a call, using the newly created
> >> mailing list... In general, Apache tries to avoid the use of
> >> sync communication medium except when absolutely required.
> >>
> >> I think that esp for such a topic as D&
f a call, using the newly created
> >> mailing list... In general, Apache tries to avoid the use of
> >> sync communication medium except when absolutely required.
> >>
> >> I think that esp for such a topic as D&I, starting the effort off
> >> us
g list... In general, Apache tries to avoid the use of
>> sync communication medium except when absolutely required.
>>
>> I think that esp for such a topic as D&I, starting the effort off
>> using a method that inherently disenfranchises people may
>> not be the
Naomi Slater wrote on 4/3/19 6:06 AM:
...snip...
>... but I am "interested in being part of the
> committee and shaping the request
> to the board"
People can now show their interest and bring their volunteer time to
work on this idea to the newly created mailing list:
https://lists.apache.org/
On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 22:27, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Can I recommend instead of a call, using the newly created
> mailing list... In general, Apache tries to avoid the use of
> sync communication medium except when absolutely required.
>
> I think that esp for such a topic as D&
On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 4:49 AM William A Rowe Jr wrote:
> ...there was no "accepted"
> framework for async electronic meetings at the time the foundation was
> created
I often describe the Board meeting as a hybrid, with LOTS of async
preparation before the meeting followed by a fairly short
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 7:44 PM Griselda Cuevas
wrote:
> To the point of no calls...
>
> How does the board meet and make decisions?
That's a very fair question.
The board practice is to assemble all of the reports, suggested motions etc
days and sometimes weeks before the synchronous meeting.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019, 1:27 PM Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
>> Can I recommend instead of a call, using the newly created
>> mailing list... In general, Apache tries to avoid the use of
>> sync communication medium except when absolutely required.
>>
>>
ral, Apache tries to avoid the use of
> sync communication medium except when absolutely required.
>
> I think that esp for such a topic as D&I, starting the effort off
> using a method that inherently disenfranchises people may
> not be the wisest 1st step :)
>
> Cheers!
>
&
Can I recommend instead of a call, using the newly created
mailing list... In general, Apache tries to avoid the use of
sync communication medium except when absolutely required.
I think that esp for such a topic as D&I, starting the effort off
using a method that inherently disenfranch
Hi everyone,
Following up the original thread that sparked the creation of a Diversity &
Inclusion committee in the ASF [1], I'm coordinating a call/videocall to
discuss the proposal details to the board.
*Action by April 5th, 2019 @ midnight PST*
If you're interested in being part of the committ
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